Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 22:19:42 GMT -5
There was no talk about Illyrians either.... from 300 to 1300..... thats 1000 years..... you guys pulled a Jimmy Hoffa. ;D
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jun 23, 2008 22:37:01 GMT -5
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 22:41:57 GMT -5
It was the Roman Empire and later, the Byzantine Empire. The rest...(Ottomans) you know...by that time, there was not national identity...the notion of the nation is a later concept. There were Tribes, Clans, Principally, (if it is correct in English)
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 22:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 23, 2008 22:48:23 GMT -5
They are Greeks anyone knows the existance of the Greek Despotate of Epirus in the 12th century as an argument stands alone against any claims even of ''non Greek presence in South Albania prior to Ali Pasha". Who is to say they aren't the decedents of the Greek Despotate of Epirus these Arvanites ?
Whoever we do know they were an Orthdox group who fought against YOU and were the foremost fighters under the Greek flag for independence “says how Greek they felt doesn’t it..
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 22:57:55 GMT -5
General overview:
In his History written in 1079-1080, Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates was the first to refer to Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. During the Middle Ages, the Albanians called their country Arbër or Arbën and referred to themselves as Arbëresh or Arbnesh. As early as the 16th century, a new name for their home evolved among Albanian people: Shqipëria, "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag. The name probably has its origins in the Skanderbeg family crest.
Robert Elsei. The Albanian lexion of Arnold von Harff, Earliest reference to the existence of the Albanian language, p. 113-122. Kristo Frasheri. History of Albania (A Brief Overview). Tirana, 1964.
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 23:02:33 GMT -5
Their language...is more than enough...
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 23, 2008 23:12:24 GMT -5
General overview: In his History written in 1079-1080, Byzantine historian Michael Attaliates was the first to refer to Albanoi as having taken part in a revolt against Constantinople in 1043 and to the Arbanitai as subjects of the duke of Dyrrachium. During the Middle Ages, the Albanians called their country Arbër or Arbën and referred to themselves as Arbëresh or Arbnesh. As early as the 16th century, a new name for their home evolved among Albanian people: Shqipëria, "Land of the Eagles", hence the two-headed bird on the national flag. The name probably has its origins in the Skanderbeg family crest. Robert Elsei. The Albanian lexion of Arnold von Harff, Earliest reference to the existence of the Albanian language, p. 113-122. Kristo Frasheri. History of Albania (A Brief Overview). Tirana, 1964.Just merceneries, we even hired Turks and Normans to fight our battles.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 23:14:55 GMT -5
1079..... still before that....? That's a new early date...although I cannot verify if it's true or not... I will give you the benefit of doubt..
We still got a large missing chunk of time.... how can we solve this mystery..do we have to bring in Sherlock Holmes?
Hint>>> The Seljuk Turks came around in 1077......
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 23:22:22 GMT -5
Kanaris,
People do not pop up all of a sudden without being registered as a migration. Not in Bysantin and Roman Empire at least...Albanians were there, under other names.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 23:25:45 GMT -5
Bulgars,Slavs.... have their timetable.... what makes you special?
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 23:27:59 GMT -5
They were simply there, but nobody bothered to write about it. When they wrote, it was 1043. But, does it look like a coincidence that Albanoi appeared in the strategic place "Dyrrahum"?
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Post by albquietman on Jun 23, 2008 23:31:32 GMT -5
Bulgars,Slavs.... have their timetable.... what makes you special? The fact that we are north of Greece Thanks Guys
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 23:34:46 GMT -5
Two simple facts:
1. Their (Slav) migration is registered
2. Their languages are of Slavic family; Albanian is not. And cannot be found in any other part of the planet. If Albanians migrated, not all of them woudl have done that. Some Albanians would have remained somewhere in Planet, speaking Albanian. But Albanian is spoken only in Balkans, Albania, Kosovo and part of FYROM, exactly where Dardania used to be and where Alexander was fighting with Illirians...is it a coincidence?? Is out of logical limits as Geographically and Geo-Politically issue.
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Post by albquietman on Jun 23, 2008 23:38:54 GMT -5
I agree with you Teuta, not because I'm albanian, but because what you're saying makes sense and it's common sense, but I don't think that Kanaris will buy it...sometimes common sense doesn't make any sense for some people...sorry Kanaris
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Post by Teuta1975 on Jun 23, 2008 23:39:51 GMT -5
Ok, guys, have to prepare a paper for tomorrow...see you tomorrow...
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 23, 2008 23:41:55 GMT -5
Isn't that water front city.... where people in ships can land easy and discover?
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jun 24, 2008 1:10:49 GMT -5
as far as our origins go... * In the 2nd century BC, the History of the World written by Polybius, mentions a city named Arbon in present day central Albania. The people who lived there were called Arbanios and Arbanitai. * In the 1st century AD, Pliny mentions an Illyrian tribe named Olbonenses. * In the 2nd century AD, Ptolemy, the geographer and astronomer from Alexandria, drafted a map of remarkable significance for the history of Illyria. This map shows the city of Albanopolis (located Northeast of Durrës). Ptolemy also mentions the Illyrian tribe named Albanoi, who lived around this city. from the 2nd century AD and later, we were under ROMAN and later BYZANTINE rule, and slowly people began to call us Epirotes...as indicated in this text.... www.mdevaan.nl/research/Blanchus.pdfTexts and Documents of Albanian History to 15th century www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH_texts1.htmlTexts and Documents of Albanian History 16th to 18th centuries www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH_texts2.htmlTexts and Documents of Albanian History 19th century www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH_texts3.htmlTexts and Documents of Albanian History 20th century www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH_texts4.htmloh and a simply GOOGLE SEARCH will give you all the results that you don't know about and either speak out of ignorance or you pretend so you can piss us off and have some fun in your boring life. search names such as albania albanians albanian arnaut arnavut arnaout arnaoutluk arnavut arbanite arvanite arberesh illyrian shqipetar skipetar shqiptar epirote epirus etc. in this website books.google.com/bkshp?hl=en&tab=wpand you will pretty much learn the whole d*mn albanian history so you won't be so confused anymore, read some books from the 1800s so you learn who the albanians really are!
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 24, 2008 5:16:14 GMT -5
we have you strolling history book, we dont need ro read anything else...
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Post by benzino on Jun 24, 2008 10:44:27 GMT -5
the today new greeks are just mix of Vlachs, Arvanites, Turks, Gipsys, Macedonians (i mean the Macedonians and not the Greeks). Thats the reason that the are tryin to make everything Greek "When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak in Greek and so he asked: "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy". - Zaharias Papantoniou, "King Otto"
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