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Post by chalkedon on Jun 24, 2008 11:17:01 GMT -5
the today new greeks are just mix of Vlachs, Arvanites, Turks, Gipsys, Macedonians (i mean the Macedonians and not the Greeks). Thats the reason that the are tryin to make everything Greek - benzino^^^ i think my iq dropped reading this one.... you mean to tell me that you consider the skopians true macs and the greeks of greece as a balkan soup mix ?! LOL ! Holy Christ you need help ! Il pass on this one.....any takers ?
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 24, 2008 11:25:57 GMT -5
to my greek compatriots...Arvanites may have been ethnically albos. Does that really matter when they spilled their blood for the hellenic cause ? Most ppl here will agree with me that is the reason why we consider them one of us.
to my albanian friends...Dont you think it says something when your own kind fights and dies for us ? Why do you try to seperate them from their greek counterparts when they were both fighting for the same reason ?!
Arvanites if not greek were the closest thing to it.. Get over it already and celebrate your turkish subordinate albos as part of your history. Dont drag in the arvanites that died for this flag that flys over us today...
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 24, 2008 11:36:06 GMT -5
When King Otto came...there was still many different peoples polluting are landscape... peoples that were planted there by the Ottomans... he took care of that....
Remember the story of Odysseus.. when he wasn't home his house filled up with strangers....when he came home he took care of business....
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 24, 2008 14:34:29 GMT -5
When King Otto came...there was still many different peoples polluting are landscape... peoples that were planted there by the Ottomans... he took care of that.... Remember the story of Odysseus.. when he wasn't home his house filled up with strangers....when he came home he took care of business.... I remember that story well... good connection.
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Post by albquietman on Jun 24, 2008 14:40:28 GMT -5
The story of Odysseus is a legend, not a history book...
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Jun 24, 2008 15:08:44 GMT -5
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. My entire life has been modeled after Don Quixote and the Odyssey.
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Post by leshte on Jun 24, 2008 15:21:34 GMT -5
Kastro said: The Arvanites that came to Greece first were simply Arvanites and not Greek and also not Albanian. So the Albanians can be Arvanites in origin but not vice versa and thats very important to be aware of.
>> The land was called Arberia back then. These people went to Greece from Arberia, and they were called Arvanitas from the Greeks , so of course they were from Arberia. Albania is what foreigners called Arberia due to the tribe of Albanoi which was located, guess where? That's right, the tribe of Albanoi was located in Arberia.
Illyria became known as Arber as early as the 2nd Century A.D 395 AD, Arberia became part of the Byzantine Empire.
In 1190 there is the Proclamation of the feudal state of Arberia (The Principality of Arber 1190-1216), in the north of Albania, with Kruja as the capital. Guess what tribe was living around the Kruja region. The Albanoi tribe. Its not difficult to get it if you guys focus on logic rather than on how your Greek pride would be hurt if somehow it turns out that the Arvanites came from Arberia or what people call today, Albania.
Its as if 500 years from know the Greeks claim the Albanians in Greece, the alvanos, are not Albanian. Say Albania changes its international name to Shqiperia, then one Greek or two maybe like Koastro and Cane if forums exist in the future will come and say: The alvanoz that immigrated in Greece in the 1990's were not Shqipetare. The Shqipetare may be Alvanos but not the other way around. Why? Because it will make the future Kastro and Cane feel better, that is why.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 24, 2008 15:32:37 GMT -5
same applies to greeks living in albania...doesnt it ? if we are to believe that both illyrians and hellenes have a common ancestor pelasgians than what the hell is the big deal ? I really dont understand this topic...samething applies to suliots as well. You guys made your choice when you adopted islam and ottomans as your protectorate...Dont bust our balls just because you dont like the outcome of your choices...
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Post by libofsha on Jun 24, 2008 16:38:33 GMT -5
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. My entire life has been modeled after Don Quixote and the Odyssey. why doesn't this revelation come as a shock to me?
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 24, 2008 16:46:37 GMT -5
No. The immigrants came as "Alvanoi" (Albanians) and thats what they will always be. Also in 1000 years. The Arvanites came as Arvanites and thats what they are and always will be...also in 1000 years.
You cannot say arvanites=albanians, forget about that, its historically and genetically wrong.
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Post by libofsha on Jun 24, 2008 16:49:34 GMT -5
same applies to greeks living in albania...doesnt it ? if we are to believe that both illyrians and hellenes have a common ancestor pelasgians than what the hell is the big deal ? I really dont understand this topic...samething applies to suliots as well. You guys made your choice when you adopted islam and ottomans as your protectorate...Dont bust our balls just because you dont like the outcome of your choices... adopted islam, ottomans as our protectors?? when we were spilling blood in the mountains of kruja against the turks you guys had your arses up in the air begging to be mounted by turks so don't go there, we paid the price against the ottamans, half our population lived in exile, the other half massacred and mutilated, ancient cities burned down to wipe all trace of our seed for having the audacity to embarrass the mighty ottomans, you can only dream of a hero like Gjergj Kastrioti mate, so much so you pass him off as your own, the nerve! don't tell me we took it lying down, all of ur songs revolve around the same topic, the plight and toil of albanians under the ottoman rule, mothers crying when their sons were taken away by the turks, brides weeping their husbands fallen in battle, don't f**king trivialise our suffering mate!!!!!! we have f**king paid the price whilst greeks made all sorts of deals with their alleged nemesis, we might be nominally islamised but i guess it was our cross to bear for the rest of europe to stay christian, show some f**king gratitude!!!
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 24, 2008 17:15:43 GMT -5
libo...pls dont deny what the whole world knows historically. The majority of albos today are muslims due to the ottoman occupation of the balkans. You did to save your arses, not to protect europe. There was only 1 nation that saved europe from islam and it was decided in Vienna in 1683. You guys took the easy way out, just like you did in WW2 w/ the nazis and just like your doing now w/ the US of A....
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Post by libofsha on Jun 24, 2008 17:21:58 GMT -5
the truth shall set you free my pedigree chum! cleanse youself of evil propaganda, take the red pill!!!!
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 24, 2008 17:24:11 GMT -5
I prefer the blue one instead....
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 24, 2008 19:56:56 GMT -5
The original Albanians where an Asiatic tribe that came from the Anatolian Caucasus, they heavily mixed with the pre Slavic population. Many have Germanic and Celtic barbarian forebears, this would explain there light pigmentation. If you do not believe me, go here and do a sample test. www.familytreedna.com/
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Post by Duke John on Jun 24, 2008 23:33:37 GMT -5
The original Albanians where an Asiatic tribe that came from the Anatolian Caucasus, they heavily mixed with the pre Slavic population. Many have Germanic and Celtic barbarian forebears, this would explain there light pigmentation. If you do not believe me, go here and do a sample test. www.familytreedna.com/Where you got this? show us the source that clame this theory!? About the test thing, my cousen have made that kind of test and what i understood from results, he had nothing asian in him, why dont you take that test and find out your original home which is moust propably someweher here!: www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_grndwater_1973.jpg
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Jun 24, 2008 23:42:02 GMT -5
nationalism makes people take pride in other people achievements, and make them say "oh we suffered against the turks so much for 500 years"...niggro that was your grand grand grand grand parents, you never even met a turk in your life...nationalism is stupid, but having a patriotic feeling without hating others is ok.
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Post by yahadj on Jun 25, 2008 0:29:04 GMT -5
nationalism makes people take pride in other people achievements, and make them say "oh we suffered against the turks so much for 500 years"...niggro that was your grand grand grand grand parents, you never even met a turk in your life...nationalism is stupid, but having a patriotic feeling without hating others is ok. Totally agree! PEACE
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Post by greek1234 on Jun 25, 2008 1:46:11 GMT -5
The original Albanians where an Asiatic tribe that came from the Anatolian Caucasus, they heavily mixed with the pre Slavic population. Many have Germanic and Celtic barbarian forebears, this would explain there light pigmentation. If you do not believe me, go here and do a sample test. www.familytreedna.com/Where you got this? show us the source that clame this theory!? About the test thing, my cousen have made that kind of test and what i understood from results, he had nothing asian in him, why dont you take that test and find out your original home which is moust propably someweher here!: www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_grndwater_1973.jpgThen he is not Albanian. Proto Albanians look like Georgians mixed with Mongoloids. Your cousin was most likely Slavic, German or Celtic. If he was Dinaric with a dark pigmentation like many Epirotics he may have been Greek. Greece has many Dinarics (Note that Dinaricism occurs when Alpines and Mediterraneans heavily mix) they are clustered into Dinaric (darker type), Noric (Lighter pigment) and Armenoid the 'Asian' variation. Below is a proto Albanian.
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Post by Duke John on Jun 25, 2008 2:03:53 GMT -5
Then he is not Albanian. Proto Albanians look like Georgians mixed with Mongoloids. Your cousin was most likely Slavic, German or Celtic. If he was Dinaric with a dark pigmentation like many Epirotics he may have been Greek. Greece has many Dinarics (Note that Dinaricism occurs when Alpines and Mediterraneans heavily mix) they are clustered into Dinaric (darker type), Noric (Lighter pigment) and Armenoid the 'Asian' variation. ;D ;D ;D, He is a proto albanian like me and 10+ million albanians that exist, so would you want to tell us who who have studied albanians and came up with a theory of asiatic albanians? Interesting, something like this albanian here in this picture?:
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