Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 8, 2009 0:47:28 GMT -5
Actually... if Albania was bordering Turkey... they would all be one big happy family... just like they were when they showed up around 1000 years ago. We should give them eastern Thrace... and they give us what they have now.... 2 birds one stone. ;D Soon Kosovars (Dardanians) are coming from both sides Turkey and Albania in Athens and Greece to blow greeks alive. No doubt about .
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Post by Alb_Korcar on Feb 8, 2009 13:46:09 GMT -5
If Albania was bordering Turkey, the Turkeys would eat our s**t. How stupid some people are...if Turkey was our neighbor it would be much worse. Albanians were the only ones to successfully resist and defeat the Ottoman Empire with Skenderbeg....and that's y we were isolated and abandoned as a result of this. as they say in the Skenderbeg documentary "When one studies the anals of history it's important to remember that with great change comes great sacrafice."
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 8, 2009 14:06:44 GMT -5
Judging from the results Ottomans had a nice reason to give some freedom...as you mean it...Albos became the first who were used by Turks in order to face up any balkanian liberation movement(like Kurds in the East) and of course you were the last who achieved independence from Top Kapi...and as I've written again, I bet that if Albania was territorialy neighbor with Turkey you would only have today some pages named like arnavudlar.tu...and would be proud for your contribution to Osman Devlet... The independence we "attained" was not one the majority of Albs were eager for. The Albanian national movement was an autonomous movement (exempting the Catholic north). The first flying of the Albanian flag was done in the Catholic north and the flag itself did not have a memory among Albs, it was Arberesh derived (during what was part of their own movement, the ideal for the rekthim(return). A notion that one day they would come back to free Albania from the Ottomans. A notion created by Scanderbeg's ancestors, which in Albania had died under the 18th century). So you cant equate. American Ottomanist George Gawrych said is well when he said: "In the beginning of the First Balkan War Albania's double-headed eagle was nestled under the Ottoman Crescent."
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Post by meltdown711 on Feb 8, 2009 14:45:42 GMT -5
If Albania was bordering Turkey, the Turkeys would eat our s**t. How stupid some people are...if Turkey was our neighbor it would be much worse. Albanians were the only ones to successfully resist and defeat the Ottoman Empire with Skenderbeg....and that's y we were isolated and abandoned as a result of this. as they say in the Skenderbeg documentary "When one studies the anals of history it's important to remember that with great change comes great sacrafice." If Albania was next to Turkey today we would be talking about the assimilation of Muslim Albanians into a Turkish identity rather than Christian Albanians into a Greek one. That's it. We were unlucky in that we were not recognized as an ethnic group and would have paid for it either way....
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Post by libofshe on Feb 9, 2009 7:29:05 GMT -5
Fug that... who gives a chit about Soulioutes... What I care about is my grandmothers maiden name which was Triantafillidis.. What gives with that? trendafil = rose
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 9, 2009 9:12:04 GMT -5
Fug that... who gives a chit about Soulioutes... What I care about is my grandmothers maiden name which was Triantafillidis.. What gives with that? trendafil = rose Give me the ...albanian etymology of "trendafil"...
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Post by libofshe on Feb 9, 2009 10:15:25 GMT -5
who the f*** do you think i am, your buttler? go google it or smth
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 27, 2009 4:49:11 GMT -5
New Suliote documentary .....a must see.. and yes there will be a test on it ... A Greek documentary w/Alb subtitles ...finally the truth pay attention @ time 6:33part 2 the narrator get a little theatrical goofy about that they are greeks regardless of what they were...ahahahahah even after he states in first video that they were not Greek. part 3
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 27, 2009 5:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 27, 2009 5:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 27, 2009 5:14:31 GMT -5
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rex362
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Post by rex362 on Feb 27, 2009 10:12:21 GMT -5
good stuff there...^
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 27, 2009 10:29:51 GMT -5
Even if they were a 100% albanian....they gave their lives for greece and embraced hellenism. Ali Pasha attacked them...was he not albanian himself ? Where is all that alb unity you guys force down our throats. Apparantly, the souli so much despised their muslim compatirots that they turned themselves into greeks willingly.
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Post by libofshe on Feb 27, 2009 12:04:35 GMT -5
excellent work PrijesDardan,
expat,
much of the souli converted to islam as well...if you look at the names of the souli warriors a good portion of them had turkish sounding first names, then later on they assimilated whether willingly or otherwise,
its not true they embraced 'hellenism', hellenism is dead to all intents and purposes, what you have today is 'modern' greeks, better known as romei, the hellenism pride was a contrived thesis to unite greek people, hellenism was not mentioned or took pride in many hundreds of years during byzantine empire, anyway, arvanites/souli were proud of their heritage, that is why they attempted to instate arvanitka(alb dialect) as an offical language in the nely created greek state.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 27, 2009 12:25:37 GMT -5
hellenism is not dead...although we are a shadow of our ancestors, we still retain their characteristics. Anarchy, Pandemonium, Panic, and Chaos are all ancient greek words and define the " modern greek ". To say we have nothing to do w/ the ancients is plain silly. Our language alone is the closest to our ancestors right along chinese, aramaic, and persian.
Look at our diaspora..they are the smart ones and represent the knowledge of ancient greece. The ppl that rule us today...are used to the lazy ottoman mentality. And that is why we have to go back to our roots.
byzantine is just as hellenic as pre-byzantine times. The roman empire was basically an extension of the greek one...i can go on and on...
As for the souli's...they today feel more greek than albanian. That is the truth...ask them yourselves.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Mar 3, 2009 6:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by Duke John on Mar 3, 2009 6:45:14 GMT -5
PrijesDardan,thanks for the good stuff!.
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Post by Prespari on Mar 5, 2009 23:01:31 GMT -5
Listen many an Albanian here is placing a a 19th/20th century nationalist construct on the Suliots and Arvanites. Yes they did speak Albanian and yes they did use the term Arberesh for describing themselves, but they fought for a Greek state. For them the Greek state is not what we think of it or what most people think of it today as 'a homogenous ethno-religious entity', but instead was merely a Orthodox state and nothing else. When they said they were Greek in that period they meant Orthodox and that is it and nothing more. Yet today the concept of ethnicity and relgion in Greece have overlaped due to many reasons, that denying or only reserving the term Arvanites for Orthodox Albanians has become vogue and ridicoulous. Thus i will post a more credible and recent article by professor John Bintliff about the Arvanites(lookout for the situation involving today's leader of the Greek church Jani Lapi or Jeronim as he is now called, then bishop of Livadhi, with Mr Bintliff), and also pay attention to what the archeology has revealed in Attika and about the belief of mixed settlement and continuation of the ancient, that many greeks hold as sacred. There are other articles publish by Bintliff about similier issues however i thought this was most appropriate for here, there all free on the website and do check them out !!! The ethnoarchaeology of a 'passive' ethnicity: The Arvanites of Central Greece. by Bintliff, J.L. www.openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/handle/1887/8444
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Post by meltdown711 on Mar 5, 2009 23:13:08 GMT -5
Page 5
I would like to know the costume differences, however! Aspects of Greek national costume, such as that worn by the modern Palace Guard (Evzonoi) are essentially Albanian costume (Mpiris 1997, 288 n. 2).
*Cough*....
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