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Post by radovic on Jan 16, 2008 10:44:13 GMT -5
Croatian neo-Nazis targetting Orthodox Church 16 January 2008 | 16:29 | Source: Beta BELGRADE -- The Dalmation eparchy of the Serbian Orthodox Church (SPC) in Split has received a letter with neo-Nazi content.
According to a statement published on the SPC’s site, the letter arrived yesterday and was full of fascist and ustasha propaganda about president of the World War Two Croatian puppet state, Ante Paveliæ and the “holy” camps of Jasenovac and Stara Gradiška, as well as the sinister threats of “Srbe na vrbe” (Hang the Serbs high!) and “Juden Raus” (Jew Out!)
The “terrifying and unprecedented letter” threatened the complete extermination of Serbs from Croatia, and was even directed at Croatian President Stjepan Mesiæ, stated the SPC site.
The statement adds that the authorities in Split have been contacted and that an inquiry is under way.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 16, 2008 10:50:11 GMT -5
Ts TS TS bad action from ex-serbs converts
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Post by cando4u on Jan 16, 2008 11:36:23 GMT -5
Typical brain washing tactics from the SOC.
All bcs of a letter by lesser idiots ,and probably just kids .
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Post by tyson on Jan 17, 2008 10:03:53 GMT -5
they really like to dramatise what is just merely a hate letter written by some bored random.
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Post by radovic on Jan 17, 2008 14:06:03 GMT -5
they really like to dramatise what is just merely a hate letter written by some bored random. That coming from Croats. As far as I'm aware Serbian government officials having reacted. But a few years ago when a Hungarian spray painted a sawastika on a Croat house in Subotica the Croatian embavvy in Serbia went on for days complaining about the act.
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Post by tyson on Jan 17, 2008 20:45:23 GMT -5
^ yeh, well look at the shyt we croats put up with in vojvodina,... www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=41931^ and lets not forget that croats of vojvodina stayed law abiding citizens of serbia while their ethnic brethren were being slaughtered just over the border in neighboring vukovar, but even though the vojvodina croats did not make any problems in vojvodina, they were still attacked for the simple fact that they were ethnic croats, and they were attacked by your beloved vojislav seselj and his gangs.
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Post by radovic on Jan 17, 2008 20:53:30 GMT -5
^ yeh, well look at the shyt we croats put up with in vojvodina,... www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=41931^ and lets not forget that croats of vojvodina stayed law abiding citizens of serbia while their ethnic brethren were being slaughtered just over the border in neighboring vukovar, but even though the vojvodina croats did not make any problems in vojvodina, they were still attacked for the simple fact that they were ethnic croats, and they were attacked by your beloved vojislav seselj and his gangs. The two people who attack him were not of Serb origins. Also. I'm not a supporter of Seselj. Not only that but you are aware of the fact that nearly all attacks on Croats in Serbia are done by people expelled from Croatia. So using your logic I should say that they had a good motive for doing so because they were expelled.
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Post by tyson on Jan 17, 2008 21:19:44 GMT -5
^ bullshyt they were not of serb origin. show me where it says that.
here's the article from the link, so you can show me where you got that from,,...
or maybe you based that conclusion from comments on the article posted by some ignorant serbs,...
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Ethnic Croat party leader assaulted 20 June 2007 Blaško Temunoviæ, leader of an ethnic Croat party in Vojvodina, was attacked and beaten Monday in Subotica.
Temunoviæ sustained severe injuries as two men of unknown identity beat him up with a baseball bat and a metal rod, his party said in a statement.
According to the statement, the incident occurred at 3 PM Monday in a square in town.
Temunoviæ was immediately transferred to city hospital and underwent surgery.
“The assailants also insulted him, hurling ethnic and personal abuse at him, before fleeing the scene,” the statement went on to say.
The party added that police were informed about the incident. --------------------------
no, your logic is wrong because croats of vojvodina did not take part in the war. serbs of croatia made war with the croatian state, and they committed horrible atrocities, so when the tables turned, they paid the price by croat locals who were previously banished by serbs from their villages who had their houses looted, burned, and had family members who were either attacked, tortured, raped or killed. croats of vojvodina, serbia had nothing to do with what was happening in neighboring croatia and bosnia-herzegovina, so no, there was no justified motive for those serbs doing what they did to croats in vojvodina.
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Post by radovic on Jan 18, 2008 9:51:14 GMT -5
^ bullshyt they were not of serb origin. show me where it says that. no, your logic is wrong because croats of vojvodina did not take part in the war. serbs of croatia made war with the croatian state, and they committed horrible atrocities, so when the tables turned, they paid the price by croat locals who were previously banished by serbs from their villages who had their houses looted, burned, and had family members who were either attacked, tortured, raped or killed. croats of vojvodina, serbia had nothing to do with what was happening in neighboring croatia and bosnia-herzegovina, so no, there was no justified motive for those serbs doing what they did to croats in vojvodina. The media in Vojvodina reported that the main suspects were two Ruthenian youths who were expelled from Croatia when they were young. Again, Ruthenians are not Serbs. Also, in your claim you make the assumptions that they are Serbs. Never mind the fact that I'm pretty sure not all attacks on Croats in Serbia are ethnically motivated or perpetrated by Serbs (vice versa for Serbs in Croatia). Actually my logic is sound and you are contradicting yourself for several reasons: - You are saying that the Serbian church is over reacting because it received a threat. Again, I don't see how they are over reacting. Especially since all they did is inform the authorities. I'm pretty sure that if you obtained a threatening letter of rascist origin as this letter was you'd go inform the police. - Actually. You are contradicting yourself. If you read your previous posts you basically say "Oh the Serbs are over reacting. As if this incident is justified" using that same logic one would say "Oh yes this attack on a Croat in Serbia is justified because his attackers were expelled from Croatia."
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Post by tyson on Jan 18, 2008 23:37:43 GMT -5
you dont read very clearly do you,.... i said that vojvodina croats had nothing to do what was happening in neighboring croatia and bopsnia-herzegovina during the war, so attacks on croats in vojvodina is not justified by anybody. they have not particpated in the conflicts. they had nothing to do with the conflicts. any aggression on them by anybody is totally unjustifiable.
and show me some proof that the vojvodina news said this. show me a source,.... i still think thats total baloney bullshyt that the suspects were not serbs. serbia wants to hide the ugly face of serb intollerance of minorities in their country, so the media makes up lies. but anyways, show me a source about this.
also i dont hide the fact that there are croats who are doing similar things, it just makes me angry because serbs never want to admit that they are doing these things, and they try to put the blame on others, or say that they did that to themselves to put a bad light on serbs. i cant stand it when they say these dispicable things. they have no shame.
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Post by radovic on Jan 18, 2008 23:52:42 GMT -5
you dont read very clearly do you,.... i said that vojvodina croats had nothing to do what was happening in neighboring croatia and bopsnia-herzegovina during the war, so attacks on croats in vojvodina is not justified by anybody. they have not particpated in the conflicts. they had nothing to do with the conflicts. any aggression on them by anybody is totally unjustifiable. Absurd. Your saying an attack on a Serb in Croatia is justified while an attack on a Croat in Vojvodina isn't. Not only that but what your claiming is further idiotic since I'm pretty sure the remaining Serbs in Croatia had nothing to dow tih what happenned in the 90' so your logic this incident is not justified. TVNS. TV Novi Sad. Media run by the Vojvodina government. Whose director has a good relationship with Vojvodina autonomists. They reported this. Furthermore, you grossly exagerrate the state of minorities in Vojvodina. Who actually said that seriously. Did I say it no? Only your are ensuniating such a claim. What despicable things? That the Chruch was right in reacting to this letter. That the letter didn't turn out to be an empty threat given that the church was defaced. That Croatian officials in Serbia over react at every minor incident. That the main purpotrators of the attack on a Croat you blame on Serbs are Ruthene juvenile delinquents. [/quote]
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Post by tyson on Jan 19, 2008 2:12:16 GMT -5
not attacks on innocent people are justified, whether they are serbs or croats. what i was trying to point out was that the serb minority of croatia turned against the croatian state and took up arms against it, and did horrible crimes against croats in the areas of croatia which they occupied. so croats also done bad things to serbs in croatia during the war when the tables turned in retribution for the crimes committed against them. now,... discrimination against each other of these 2 factions ie. croatians and croatian serbs is not justified, but it is understandable . what is not understanble is croats who lived in serbia as good citizens, and were not involved in the conflict one bit were being attacked. also alot of the serbs that lived in former rsk territory have came back, and they supported the RSK establishment, so there is croats who are resentful towards these returnees. as far as i'm concerned, this is not proof. show me any actuall legitimate source on the net which i can read that says this.... no, i dont egsagerate the situation of minorites in vojvodina. just take a look at these vojvodina hungarian websites which are documenting all the racially motivated incidents against hungarians, including incidents against croats and albanians. www.vmsz.org.yu/english/news/cikk.php?id=9www.hhrf.org/hhrf/en/vojvodinareport-mar-2005.htmfrom what i see, ethnic intollerance is a really major issue in vojovdina. it was posted in the comments of that article by ignorant serbs, and i assumed you came to that conclusion that it wasnt serbs who attacked him, from the hearsay of those people who posted those comments in the article. despicable things by serbs always denying that serbs had anything to do with racially motivated incidents against croats. i dont say that the church wasnt right in reacting to the letter. but i was just saying that that incidents against serbs in croatia get so dramaticised, and get so much attention, even by croatian government and serbian government, but incidents against croats in vojvodina hardly go noticed. also you still havnt gave me a source on the net which i can check up on to see if it is true that the perpetrators of the incident were ruthenes.
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Post by radovic on Jan 19, 2008 12:02:34 GMT -5
Croatia was not their state, their state was Yugoslavia. A clear sign of this is how Croatian statehood was achieved in 1991 but problems between Serbs & Croatia started in 1990.
My point was the same that it isn't jsutified. Except I said that incidences in Serbia are understandable given that the majority of attacks are done by youths whose families were expelled from Croatia. Basically it's being done by people who were expelled from Croatia who were too young too have actually participated in the problems of the 90s.
Actually it's perfectly understandable. Read the paragraph above.
Again. Only about a 1/3 have return and of that number slightly more then 1/3 (around 10% of the figure) stay in teh Krajina and are mostly elderly. The rest either just sell their property or take out Croatian documents and head west.
So for the most part that resentment is unfounded given that most returnees are the elderly.
A few months ago the OSCE said that ethnic intollerance was grossly exagerrated. The facts support this. Such attacks are decreasing. Furthermore, Hugnarians and Croats have every interest to exagerrate these crimes for polical reasons. Same goes for Serbs in Croatia.
It wasn;t. It was Ruthenes. Also, any one can post on B-92. Their are plenty of people lying about their backgrounds on that site. There are cases of people who are not Serbs posing as Serbs/Croats/Albanian/westerners, etc... to spread their own agenda.
If your talking about someone saying Croats attacked themselves. Then that is just absurd.
Also. B-92 has a policy of prefering to post comments puting Serbs in a negative light.
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