bihvojska
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"A Great Man is Remmbered By What He Has Created Not By What He Has Destoryed"
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Post by bihvojska on Apr 28, 2009 22:18:41 GMT -5
So seems like every one wants to divide BiH, and have there own land. Why should we divide? support your answer?
I honestly think their are way to many retarded nationalist in BIH, who think its much better to divide BIH, but we all can see that we are much better off united as one. Look at our soccer team. Its doing fucking amazing, and it mixed. If we divide we will all be small as kosovo. Shit u can barley see kosovo, on a map. :} Dividing will just make as all weak. We need to unite and not divide, religion was never a problem during yugo and it shouldn't be now, even if we had a bull shit war!!!!!
Nek se radi, Nek se Gradi, Bice Bosne i Hercegovine
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paja
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Post by paja on Apr 28, 2009 22:28:08 GMT -5
Yes, unity all the way.
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Post by tito on Apr 28, 2009 22:29:20 GMT -5
So seems like every one wants to divide BiH Who is "everyone"? At least 59% of the parliament is definitely against it.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 29, 2009 1:58:13 GMT -5
To Srbine! A Kosovo nek ide svojim putom.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 29, 2009 2:32:11 GMT -5
To Srbine! A Kosovo nek ide svojim putom. Nek i sadnzak ode.. a i Presevo.. A kad smo vec tu nek i vojvodina ide
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Post by aaayyy on Apr 29, 2009 5:34:15 GMT -5
IMHO the only chance for Bosnia to be one state (to good or bad) is to be admitted to EU the way it is without preconditions. Otherwise it is doomed to be divided.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 6:01:02 GMT -5
The more entities exist, the less non-Bosniaks will be when entities will be abolished. Let them choose their destiny.
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Post by aaayyy on Apr 29, 2009 6:19:02 GMT -5
Why are you so sure entities will be abolished? Milosevic tried to do it in Kosovo, did it work?
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 6:56:14 GMT -5
Because the more the entities exist, the less Serbs and Croats in Bosnia exist. The less Serbs and Croats exist the less dividing policies in Bosnia we have. The less dividing policies in Bosnia we have, the more unity we have. So if we abolish them now, we'll get a multiethnic state which we always wanted. If we abolish them in the future, and I explained why, we'll get a Bosniak state. We win in both situations.
Albanians migrated to Kosovo because of better life standards, as entities keep a lower life standard and a weaker state, people migrate to other countries, except Bosniaks who feel a real bond with the country. People here on the forums like to think entities are nice because of patriotism while they enjoy western life disregarding statistics and simple facts that are showing how the more they hate Bosnia, the more they migrate. Wouldn't you as well migrate from a country you hate? It's all quite simple. A Serb journalist wrote an article about it about a month ago, so it's not me who invented this theory.
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Post by aaayyy on Apr 29, 2009 7:10:47 GMT -5
How comes?
I believe the residents of RS support their entity, if not then why does it exist? Do you question the fact that Bosnian Serbs (not from diaspora, but from RS) support their entity? -------------------------------------------------- I mean that when the state makes efforts to consolidate power by abolishing ethnically based entities, it doesn't always work. When Milosevic tried to consolidate power by abolishing to some extend Kosovo autonomy, it didn't work.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 7:24:53 GMT -5
How comes? I believe the residents of RS support their entity, if not then why does it exist? Do you question the fact that Bosnian Serbs (not from diaspora, but from RS) support their entity? Oh don't get me wrong I never said they don't support it. But they support it only because they have to support it because the wounds are still fresh, because it's unacceptable to have a normal state. 20 years ago they supported Yugoslavia, now they support RS. As we supported Yugoslavia now we support BiH, the difference is that the world is saying Bih is there to stay, the rest who knows. And for small states like we are, foreign support is all that counts. Their support of RS is just a support of Serbdom, not more not less. They support it but go there give them a job in Serbia and you'll see how much they support it. Of course here on a forum when confronted with the others they have to support it but go there talk to people and they won't talk much about it. It's the case with all of those banana autonomous republics, they are "supported" yet their population is falling. And it doesn't contradict what I said. I said give it time, just wait till Bosniaks take their ID cards in a RS municipality, wait for elections, and it will be done. Also, as we all want to join EU, you think EU will let inside a country where 2 different administrative territories have ethnic discriminatory laws? no. Do I think it will be achieved early? no. Do I think it will be achieved? Yes. 20 years ago we didn't have a country, we couldn't call ourselves with our names, we had to live thinking we have some non-existent burden that Turks left us. I can wait a more.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 29, 2009 7:30:03 GMT -5
But u support Kosovo`?
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 7:43:56 GMT -5
Hell I do. Oh man how much I do. Because you started to play the Kosovo card loooong before any shit started in Kosovo. We got a war, we got shit on us for doing nothing, actually sorry, for having osunecene cune, and even before kosovo claimed independence actually even before any shit with milosevic happened in 99' we had a war, which finished and all those years everything Serb politics were trying to do was destabilizing us and screwing us. Kosovo is the perfect reward ending of Serbian politics in the Balkans of the 90's.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 29, 2009 7:47:37 GMT -5
Then understand that RS is wanted by many Serbs.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 7:54:12 GMT -5
There's no logic as RS was wanted long before anything happened in Kosovo so it's no counter reaction to anything.
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Post by aaayyy on Apr 29, 2009 7:58:44 GMT -5
You can't always rely on the outside powers only, country must have its own stamina to exist. Outside powers come and go and change their politics, but your neighbors will always be close to you.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 29, 2009 7:59:36 GMT -5
Nema veze.. Ti si za nezavisno kosovo samo da bi mogao pljunuti srbima u lice.. A za RS nisi.. Kad bi stura Sandzaklije htjeli nezavistnost ti bi bio isto prvi tu da kazed DA. Samo hocu da kazem nemoj da se bunis toliko kad cujes da su srbi vise orijentisani prema Beogradu nego Sarajevu. Nebi ja htjeo zivjeti sa nekima sto koriste rijec Cetnik, Genocid itd itd kao dobro jutro.
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Post by tito on Apr 29, 2009 8:02:08 GMT -5
What are the changing circumstances that are rapidly creating a demographic balance favouring the Bosniak people at the expense of the others? 1. The ethnic separation of the Bosnia-Herzegovina population, as a result of which the Croats and the Serbs are concentrated in peripheral and largely rural areas, while the Bosniaks are concentrated in the central area, which contains a number of connected urban centres. And as we know, it is cities that in peacetime are the bearers of economic growth and development. 2. The systematic production of hatred against Bosnia-Herzegovina on the part of the Serb and Croat political elites, and combined with that their total orientation towards Belgrade and Zagreb respectively. This sends a clear signal to ordinary people as to where they should seek their fortunes. 3. The encouragement of an antagonistic attitude towards Sarajevo on the part of the Croat and especially the Serb political elite, despite the fact that the capital city provides the greatest possibility for the affirmation of talent, knowledge and intellect.
There is little doubt, however, that Sarajevo is for the Serbs of strategic importance, given that the eastern part of RS can relate only to Sarajevo or Serbia. There is no third option. If the thirty- odd municipalities in the rural areas of eastern RS that are economically its suburbs reject Sarajevo, and then Tuzla and Mostar too, their economic collapse is inevitable. There is not even a theoretical possibility that the eastern part of RS could develop without the Federation, as the map makes clear. Without its full integration into the Federation, let me repeat, eastern RS, which does not form a sustainable economic region on its own, stands no chance of economic development, regardless of desire and effort. Even the alleged hydro-electric potential of this area is a great illusion, since the erection of a hydroelectric plant would lead to a centralisation of capital and bureaucracy in Banja Luka, accompanied by a further emigration of the local population. A proof of this is the Višegrad hydroelectric plant, which has led to the economic devastation of Višegrad and its area, the population of which continues to leave for Serbia.
The merry-go-round of decline on which the RS political elite has embarked is the assumption that RS can develop economically without a European road for Bosnia-Herzegovina. Bosnia-Herzegovina’s integration into the European Union is impossible without a transfer of authority from the entities to the state - yet the RS elite defends the entity’s powers at all costs. As a result, the population is promised the fulfilment of two diametrically opposite goals: preservation of RS powers on the one hand, economic development on the other. Since one of the two must fail, the present government has opted for the former, and is using television and its other controlled media to fan the illusion that RS is flourishing economically and that its people are living well. Something similar is true also for the Croats. Without an orientation towards Sarajevo, there is no possibility that a largely rural and sparsely populated Herzegovina can retain its young, bright and talented people. They will be gobbled up by Zagreb.
Croat and especially Serb politicians treat as traitors those of their peoples who see their future in Sarajevo and other Bosnian places, while hailing as patriots those who make their way to Serbia or Croatia, when in fact the opposite should be the case. The Bosniak side, by contrast, appears far more committed to its people returning to RS, for example by promoting ‘Drina patriotism’ among the Bosniaks. Serb politicians meanwhile scornfully denigrate any idea of strengthening the Serb presence in Sarajevo and other ‘age-old Serb hearths’.
It follows from the above that only two visions of Bosnia-Herzegovina’s future are possible: 1.Bosnia-Herzegovina as a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural state and society; 2.Bosnia-Herzegovina as the national state of the Bosniaks.
This means that any policy that the Serbs and Croats choose to conduct ‘suits’ the Bosniaks, whereas only certain kinds of Bosniak policy suit the Serbs and Croats.www.bosnia.org.uk/news/news_body.cfm?newsid=2549
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paja
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Post by paja on Apr 29, 2009 8:06:08 GMT -5
To Cetnice, pametuj iz Kanade. Pravi si junak.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Apr 29, 2009 8:09:23 GMT -5
Nemoj te zajebavati, sa jedne strane igrate neke kurce palce o multietnickom drustvu Bosne Velike Herzegovine, a na drugoj strani pljujete po nama. Vodite neku statistiku i radujete se sto srbi umiru.. Ja znam da to sve fino zvuci o jednoj BIH kao sto VI hocete. Mozda bi isto tako fino bilo onako kako bi mi htjeli, al naravno onda vama ne pase.. hvala bogu sada su se i hrvati probudili i gledaju na svoju stranu, kako bi njima dobro doslo..
I fazla molimte nemoj srat o "Svet hoce" Svet tako nako vamo tamo" Boli mene kurac sta Amerika ili Paraguaj hoce sto se tice balkana, ne zive oni tamo..
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