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Post by zloca on Mar 14, 2009 23:32:03 GMT -5
Articles written when Kosovo was not famous... Background material about Kosovo, especially the material disseminated by mainstream channels, is deficient in many aspects, but perhaps the most startling feature of many such articles is the singular way of examining the history of the region. We are told that Kosovo is the cradle of Serbian nation and we learn about the battle of 1389 and then, in most articles, with a gigantic leap that would make envious any athlete, the article strides 600 years later, in 1989, when the Kosovo autonomy was rescinded by Milosevic. What happened during these 600 years, pray tell? Or, at least, what happened during the last few years before 1989? It is now difficult to write about the recent past of Kosovo without taking into account the war which is raging just now. So, it occurred to me that if I managed to find articles written in the 80s, when Kosovo was not famous, at least these would be free of any bias due to the later events. A good friend who is also a wizard in database searching undertook the task and here is the fruit of his labours, a bunch of older articles about Kosovo. Be warned, the articles were not written for posterity. These were run-of-the-mill, "boring" articles about contemporary events. But perhaps here lies their interest, for they present the situation without any make-up. Anyway, here they are... members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
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Post by MiG on Mar 17, 2009 1:56:59 GMT -5
Good find. How ironic/weird it is to see it from a neutral point of view.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 17, 2009 19:35:44 GMT -5
Actually not a good find, it just tells the story how the Serbs want to tell it. It is not neutral at all.
Starting in the 1970s and then went on in the 80s as well, there were massive layoffs throughout Kosovo, which even my dad felt the effects of, being laid off from Obiliq, where he worked in the energy sector there. I was born in the year of 1985 and at that point, 95% of the Albanian schools were converted to Serbian ones (even though it was 10% Serbian minority in the country) and when it was time for me to go to first grade, we had to find a private school (housing basically) in Fushe Kosova (Kosovo Polje), and I never sat at a real school table until we moved to the United States.
Millions of little things like that happened during those years, including thousands of Serbs and Bosniaks who moved to Kosovo during the Croatian and Bosnian war, they even took a school the Serbs had near the Prishtina - Fushe Kosova border. (people who lived there and went through that major highway would know it)
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 17, 2009 20:37:15 GMT -5
^ There were massive layoffs throughout Yugoslavia.
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Post by MiG on Mar 17, 2009 20:56:18 GMT -5
Actually not a good find, it just tells the story how the Serbs want to tell it. It is not neutral at all. So you're meaning to tell me that the world viewed Yugoslavia as Serbia at that time, and that the New York Times and such high profile newspapers were controlled by Belgrade? Or maybe it was the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts that owned big time International News Agencies? The news articles only show the neutral point of view (Facts, and nothing more than). Just a question.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 18, 2009 4:12:50 GMT -5
The thing that doesnt make sence is that Ilir says by 1985 95% of Albanian schools turned into Serbian schools in an autonomous Kosovo run by a mostly Albanian administration.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 18, 2009 5:47:29 GMT -5
Illy is a brainless twit masquerading as a someone with a brain.
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Post by Fender on Mar 18, 2009 8:55:21 GMT -5
Actually not a good find, it just tells the story how the Serbs want to tell it. It is not neutral at all. Starting in the 1970s and then went on in the 80s as well, there were massive layoffs throughout Kosovo, which even my dad felt the effects of, being laid off from Obiliq, where he worked in the energy sector there. I was born in the year of 1985 and at that point, 95% of the Albanian schools were converted to Serbian ones (even though it was 10% Serbian minority in the country) and when it was time for me to go to first grade, we had to find a private school (housing basically) in Fushe Kosova (Kosovo Polje), and I never sat at a real school table until we moved to the United States. Millions of little things like that happened during those years, including thousands of Serbs and Bosniaks who moved to Kosovo during the Croatian and Bosnian war, they even took a school the Serbs had near the Prishtina - Fushe Kosova border. (people who lived there and went through that major highway would know it) You are so biased and blinded with your nationalism that you could'nt recognise an article that is neutral. That is your problem you need to deal with.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 18, 2009 9:05:38 GMT -5
^ There were massive layoffs throughout Yugoslavia. Of course there were massive layoff everywhere, but it differed in Kosovo. Majority of the jobs lost by the Albanians were turned around and given to the Serbs. Just where my dad worked, you know what they did? They brought paperwork which said that if you sign it you would agree that this place is called Serbia, that Kosovo doesn't exist, and who didn't sign it was fired immediately. (I'm sure you know the rest) A lot of crap like that went on. Actually not a good find, it just tells the story how the Serbs want to tell it. It is not neutral at all. So you're meaning to tell me that the world viewed Yugoslavia as Serbia at that time, and that the New York Times and such high profile newspapers were controlled by Belgrade? Or maybe it was the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts that owned big time International News Agencies? The news articles only show the neutral point of view (Facts, and nothing more than). Just a question. It was a couple of articles, I read each and everyone, all it talks is about one side, and that is the Serbians moving out of Kosovo, so in a sense the author of that website has bought into the movement of Serbs out of Kosovo etc, while the truth remains to this day that the Serbs moved 'inward' into Kosovo from northern Serbia, parts of Crna Gora, etc. Then of course the war happened and majority of them left, whichever ones had their hands dirty with the killings, looting, etc. The thing that doesnt make sence is that Ilir says by 1985 95% of Albanian schools turned into Serbian schools in an autonomous Kosovo run by a mostly Albanian administration. In the beginning it was run by Albanians who rode Beograd's nuts basically, whatever they said, was done in Kosovo. They were like puppets of the communist regime. (yes it was soft, but the whole point was to assimilate albanians, when that didn't work, ethnic cleansing came on the table around same time slobo came to power) Actually not a good find, it just tells the story how the Serbs want to tell it. It is not neutral at all. Starting in the 1970s and then went on in the 80s as well, there were massive layoffs throughout Kosovo, which even my dad felt the effects of, being laid off from Obiliq, where he worked in the energy sector there. I was born in the year of 1985 and at that point, 95% of the Albanian schools were converted to Serbian ones (even though it was 10% Serbian minority in the country) and when it was time for me to go to first grade, we had to find a private school (housing basically) in Fushe Kosova (Kosovo Polje), and I never sat at a real school table until we moved to the United States. Millions of little things like that happened during those years, including thousands of Serbs and Bosniaks who moved to Kosovo during the Croatian and Bosnian war, they even took a school the Serbs had near the Prishtina - Fushe Kosova border. (people who lived there and went through that major highway would know it) You are so biased and blinded with your nationalism that you could'nt recognise an article that is neutral. That is your problem you need to deal with. You I shouldn't even reply to, since you're racist. Again the article wasn't neutral, nowhere did it mention why the Albanians actually had demonstrations at that point. Because the articles weren't neutral, and it went on like that for years up to 1997, the Serbs had the freedom to all kinds of shit in Kosovo, whether how to run the country, who to hire, who to beat up, who to expel from the country, etc. (it was a state police majority of the time, cops had all the power in the world)
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 18, 2009 9:07:29 GMT -5
You are yet to prove a single one of your claims, Illy. Like I wrote, a brainless twit.
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Post by Fender on Mar 18, 2009 9:29:42 GMT -5
This is how its going to be Illr. If you can come up with one single fact that I am racist, your post will stand. If you fail, your last post and subsequent ones that bear no resemblance to anything will be deleted.
You have two hours to make good.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 18, 2009 10:00:23 GMT -5
^ My proof is that in two hours you're going to delete my posts because you cannot stand Albanians, you hate everything that has to do with Albanians, and you show the same traits that srbatron had, when he was a mod, who deleted 99% of my posts here. (to the point that the admins took his position away)
But yeah go on fendy boy, you'll enjoy the powers you have, and that's the most you'll ever get in life down there under. (in australia)
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 18, 2009 10:00:53 GMT -5
Behave yourself
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Post by Fender on Mar 18, 2009 10:03:32 GMT -5
^ My proof is that in two hours you're going to delete my posts because you cannot stand Albanians, you hate everything that has to do with Albanians, and you show the same traits that srbatron had, when he was a mod, who deleted 99% of my posts here. (to the point that the admins took his position away) But yeah go on fendy boy, you'll enjoy the powers you have, and that's the most you'll ever get in life down there under. (in australia) As I suspected, no proof.
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Post by ilirdardani on Mar 18, 2009 10:06:09 GMT -5
go ahead and delete his dude, if you're going to be fair, he's attacking, plus you attacked as well.
Where did I call someone brainless here?
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Post by Fender on Mar 18, 2009 10:06:54 GMT -5
go ahead and delete his dude, if you're going to be fair, he's attacking, plus you attacked as well. Where did I call someone brainless here? Well, if the shoe fits... Just remember, your calling me racist with no proof. Don't throw stones and you wont get hurt. Now stop your whining and take it like a man.
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Post by Novus Dis on Mar 18, 2009 10:09:36 GMT -5
^ My proof is that in two hours you're going to delete my posts because you cannot stand Albanians, you hate everything that has to do with Albanians, and you show the same traits that srbatron had, when he was a mod, who deleted 99% of my posts here. (to the point that the admins took his position away) But yeah go on fendy boy, you'll enjoy the powers you have, and that's the most you'll ever get in life down there under. (in australia) Serbs also have their posts edited/deleted. Does that mean that Serbs aren't tolerated here? No, it doesn't. Why don't you go back to www.albanian.com where your idiocy and lack of proof won't be criticized. At least there you won't have to use your brain.
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