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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 6:36:00 GMT -5
That would be a start...
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Post by panagiotopoulos on Dec 21, 2008 13:39:40 GMT -5
MELTY TO MY BALLS.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 21, 2008 14:21:20 GMT -5
"That would be a start..." -------------------------------------- Of course you know that you have to have balls to do that.. eh? You know what will happen after that.. eh? Ask the Chams who had the balls to execute Greeks... but not enough to support it.. PS. ..and you know... Yankees will go home someday... as Nazis and Ottomans did.. ...and then.... the PARTY starts!
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 17:44:40 GMT -5
I plan on makeing myself very *useful in the future don't worry. Greece will NOT make Himara your battleground not as long as I'm alive. your countrys imperialisim against Albanians ended with Chams. i'm a logical Albanian as I dont support border changes but you keep egging on about southern Albania you'll get the Tibet of the balkans in Greece. if u think Kosovo was a huge win for Albanians u havent seen anything yet, if Greece keeps this up, that is...
unlike Serbia, Said the Albanians who have changed religions and names so many times in recent history just because they are not capable of fighting to protect them self's but only to bend over. The only reason you exist today and you are still alive and managed to survive from Serbian artillery is because of the Americans who bombed Serbia's artillery positions ! And you know that, talk tough when you really are. hahahahahahahahahaha .
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 17:51:46 GMT -5
Changes of religion are not issue of freedom, but rather privilages, get it right Arxhi. We fought plenty, but it was for the Turks and Ottomans. So don't speak when you dont know. Plus, without our blood your wouldnt have those dear Suliotes. But anyway, your going off topic.
And btw, we survived many other attempts before America and still came out on top in the end. Whether it was 1912, 1918, 1945 etc. etc.
Close to Himara there is a place called Lazarate. The place is rather notorious. The people there could wipe out Himara and everything around them in an hour if they wanted to before Greece even heard of what happened.
In terms of Himara, Albanians can speak, before Himariots are like sheep waiting for sacrifice. And even more, there is a Turkish military base close by there ready to aid us just as they did in 97.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 18:11:47 GMT -5
So don't speak when you dont know. Plus, without our blood your wouldnt have those dear Suliotes. But anyway, your going off topic. Maybe the chances are that Albanians might be long lost "part Greeks other part Slavic" ?! Melty all I did was to highlight the Greeks of “Southern Albania” and you guy’s soiled the topic with your inferior complexes or insecurities ? I mean if not about the Epirotes it will be about another issue or topic subject, this forum is a testimony the Albanian behaviour and pseudo claims from the Pelasgains to the Epirotes dreams. You guy’s look for excuses, after all many of you are a confessed Greek haters.
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 18:14:45 GMT -5
Oh and Arxhi, I have a question. I can't understand spoken Greek, it moves to fast. Tell me, did they talk about their negative population growth? Or about their aging population? Im just wondering.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 18:29:52 GMT -5
^ There is plenty of time to watch it, its very interesting Seasons greatings Melty
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 18:32:12 GMT -5
Okay, now I know the answer.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 21, 2008 19:03:56 GMT -5
adolfkarderi
Tell an Arvanite that he is Albanian he will spit on you!! (sorry) he speaks Albanian but he identifies as a whole hardly Greek!!! Arvanites fought in the Greek War of Independence for Greece Greeks and Albanians share the same blood but Greeks dont like all the Modern Albanians because the have Turkalbanian consciousness and hate as so much...
Arvanites UNITE our people they do not seperate them!!
Most decendants of Arvanites have been mixing with other Greeks for generations . Do you think just because someone had a great grandparent who spoke Arvanitika they will now consider themselves Albanians? My Grandpa Koco Gjergj T.... said to me before he died that we were Hellenes. Even the Albanian immigrant workers who have settled in Greece since the 1990's are quickly assimilating into Greek culture. They are being baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church, taking Greek names and are sending their children to Greek schools. In one more generation there will be no difference between them and the native Greek population.
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 21, 2008 19:39:48 GMT -5
Adolfkaderi "you know this is not about their rights Vasilo, you know this is just Greece trying to have power over Albania" -------------------------------------------------------- Hitler felt that Jews rights made them having power over Germans. He killed 6 million of them. Ottomans felt that Armenian rights made them having power in Turkey. They killed 1,5 million of them.Now you're telling us that Greek want power over Albania. Whats your thinking? Do you want to execute them all.. so Albania will not be under the power from Greece or to treat them nice and civilized so as to be the best friends with Greece? Do you want a bridge of friendship or problems with a neighbor? Thats the question. Have in mind that the word "minority" its not a bad word. "Minority" can be an advantage for a country. If the country that has the minority behaves civilized and with friendly feeling to the country that hosts the minority.. and that is how things work in EU....... then the word "minority" can be an advantage between these 2 countries... who are members of EU. We dont live in 19th century where minorities was a reason for war. Now they work in a different way. Of course it works in a different way... inside EU world. execute them??? why would u suggest such disgusting, perverted things re Vaske??? why teh hell would i want exceute fellow Albanian natinals??? and comparing them to Jews?? u act as if the Greek minorities in Albania live in a totally different reality then southern Albanians, they all intermigel.... fun question of the day....why are Dropullites so pro Albanian? answer: because tehy went to Greece and were called Koloalvane with the rest of the Albanians I rest my case...
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 21, 2008 19:44:35 GMT -5
adolfkarderi Tell an Arvanite that he is Albanian he will spit on you!! (sorry) he speaks Albanian but he identifies as a whole hardly Greek!!! Arvanites fought in the Greek War of Independence for Greece Greeks and Albanians share the same blood but Greeks dont like all the Modern Albanians because the have Turkalbanian consciousness and hate as so much... Arvanites UNITE our people they do not seperate them!! Most decendants of Arvanites have been mixing with other Greeks for generations . Do you think just because someone had a great grandparent who spoke Arvanitika they will now consider themselves Albanians? My Grandpa Koco Gjergj T.... said to me before he died that we were Hellenes. Even the Albanian immigrant workers who have settled in Greece since the 1990's are quickly assimilating into Greek culture. They are being baptized into the Greek Orthodox Church, taking Greek names and are sending their children to Greek schools. In one more generation there will be no difference between them and the native Greek population. listen i dont care what you consider yourself now...but dont u dare tell me southern Albania is Greek and about Greeks in Albania when u still speak Albanian
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 21, 2008 19:48:00 GMT -5
I plan on makeing myself very *useful in the future don't worry. Greece will NOT make Himara your battleground not as long as I'm alive. your countrys imperialisim against Albanians ended with Chams. i'm a logical Albanian as I dont support border changes but you keep egging on about southern Albania you'll get the Tibet of the balkans in Greece. if u think Kosovo was a huge win for Albanians u havent seen anything yet, if Greece keeps this up, that is...
unlike Serbia, Said the Albanians who have changed religions and names so many times in recent history just because they are not capable of fighting to protect them self's but only to bend over. The only reason you exist today and you are still alive and managed to survive from Serbian artillery is because of the Americans who bombed Serbia's artillery positions ! And you know that, talk tough when you really are. hahahahahahahahahaha . again with the religion bs...my family is Orthodox...yea they changed from Pagan lol...and i changed from Orthodox to Agnostic so shoot me and y laugh about Kola/ ? his book is interesting, have u red it? lol
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 19:57:50 GMT -5
Intermixing between Greeks and Albs in southern Albania has been relatively small and generally made up of special cases. In fact in many occassions there was little interaction outside of certain market areas. At least in the last 50-60 years. Where there was intermingling it was usually in large cities, Vlora, Tirana, and in those cases the other group was entirely assimilated into the Albanian majority.
Reclarification: This was less pronounced in Himara but people should remember that that place is a small village.
Otherwise villages generally remained within their own ethnic kin. In major cities there was even discrimination against those of non-Albanian ethnicity (Greeks who moved to Tirana were regularly called "Greek Sh*ts" by the population (which did not extend to the government level)... so even then...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 21, 2008 20:22:01 GMT -5
adolfkarderi When I speak as Greek ,Albanian it does not mean that I have Albanian Origin.Ask better, why the Arvanites who spoke Greek he learn also to speak the Albanian language in Turkokratia. We want to United our Epirot Brothers who been cut off by the Powers and given this part of Epirus to Albania. Many years left and the Greeks forget this Epirot issue. Today we want only a Peacefull solution of the Epirotes within Albania no War. Albania should respect the religious rights, human rights, Greek culture and Greek language of the Northern Epirotes and "STOP" to discriminate them. The Albanian Authorities should Stop to call the Northern Epirotes Terrorist. Many Northern Epirotes should be allowed to come back to Political Power in Albania
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 20:37:52 GMT -5
and y laugh about Kola/? his book is interesting, have u red it? lol I am aware of Kola's work, his pseudo history and his beliefs. Arvanites are not Albanians, they are more nationalists than other linguistic social Greek groups, especially when the discussion comes to their origins and ethnicity you take my word on that. Kola's claims have been debunked many times since the 90's, when Arvanitic associations themselves have strongly protested on his claims repeatedly. He was laughed at and humiliated by the Arvanites themselves. That speaks for it's self. That's why I laughed, because you need to catch up with the times and up date your self, in order to stop recycling old propagandas... .
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 21, 2008 20:46:34 GMT -5
Toskali it would be better if you stopped discussing things you dont understand or that are not very familiar with. We know that you can google....by the way Himara is not a small village. it is not that small by Albanian standards and it is not one single village. it is a town made up of several villages...
Karta your epirote brothers were descriminated more in Greece then they ever will be in Albania...
and Arxileas im really not interested in Arvanite history as im not interested in openeing "old wounds" i just thought i'd point Aristidh Kola out since he was an Arvanite. funny how he died after his book was published lol.
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Post by albquietman on Dec 21, 2008 20:49:42 GMT -5
Otherwise villages generally remained within their own ethnic kin. In major cities there was even discrimination against those of non-Albanian ethnicity (Greeks who moved to Tirana were regularly called "Greek Sh*ts" by the population (which did not extend to the government level)... so even then... I don't know where do you find or read this kind of info Melty, because have lived most of your life in USA, but whoever told you that, was misinformed. In Albania, and especially in Tirana, there was no discrimination against greeks or the others. I lived in Albania most of my life, and I have never heard such things like the ones that you're trying to tell us here...even today, after so many years that Albania is open to the world, you won't hear anyone on the streets of Tirana or other cities to swear Greeks just because they are Greeks...it's not an Albanian thingy to hate the others just because they are not Albanians...
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 20:52:47 GMT -5
Once again you bring up google. Get it over your head, I dont use google. Facts are facts, intermingling was relatively weak outside of city environments, in the towns people married their own kin. Hell today its even come out that interreligious marriages were not as high as previously though. This was even confirmed to me a long while back when I spoke to a Greek-Albanian from the furthest point south, where I have to admit I have never been. She mentioned that the government wanted mixture so as to blend various areas together but that in all cases they failed.
I used to think it was high as well, based off of observations. But then I saw the facts for myself.
You comment via observation, I do via facts and fact accumulation.
Himara is relatively small, 5 thousand and has dropped steadily and continues to drop.
And now your proposing conspiracy theories around Kola... hilarious...
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Post by adolfkarderi on Dec 21, 2008 20:57:03 GMT -5
Once again you bring up google. Get it over your head, I dont use google. Facts are facts, intermingling was relatively weak outside of city environments, in the towns people married their own kin. Hell today its even come out that interreligious marriages were not as high as previously though. This was even confirmed to me a long while back when I spoke to a Greek-Albanian from the furthest point south, where I have to admit I have never been. She mentioned that the government wanted mixture so as to blend various areas together but that in all cases they failed. You comment via observation, I do via facts and fact accumulation. Himara is relatively small, 5 thousand and has dropped steadily and continues to drop. And now your proposing conspiracy theories around Kola... hilarious... wha'ts "hilarious" is that u keep typing nonsense wehn u have other Albanians disagreeing with u...why dont u get it threw ur Turkish head that your mentality is "your" opinion so next time say "I think", "I do" not "they" unless "they" refers to the voices in your head... anyway stop responding to everything i write or keep responding, you're still a tool either way.
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