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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 21, 2008 20:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 21, 2008 21:02:05 GMT -5
Holy shit, Archi... did you copy somebody elses post at Balkanium?
LOL... hahahahaha!!!!
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 21, 2008 21:15:55 GMT -5
adolfkarderi When I speak as "Greek" ,Albanian it does not mean that I have Albanian Origin. LMFAO, really well, what might I ask, does it mean? Why would your parents and grandparents pass on the Albanian language to you if it was of no importance or significance? Your extreme nationalism, unsurprisingly, comes from the dreadful fact that your Albanian and YOU KNOW IT. If youre from Epirus that basically makes you relatively pure Albanian, you're not like the "real" Arvanites in Southern/Central Greece who have been heavily mixed with Greeks. Anyway I think the fact that many so called "Greeks" speak a language other than Greek really says a lot about your country. I personally find it VERY BIZARRE that Albanian/Vlach/Slav is spoken at home, yet it doesn't seem to change someones Identity.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:22:19 GMT -5
^ Yes very bazaar claims
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 21, 2008 21:24:18 GMT -5
What exactly has Greece done for their Albanian minority?(when they had one)
Quite frankly, Himariots deserve nothing, considering that #1-Theyre pseudo-greeks #2 Many of them act against the Albanian state
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 21, 2008 21:26:46 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all you want, but you know as well as I do that thats the cold, hard truth...
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:29:19 GMT -5
What exactly has Greece done for their Albanian minority?(when they had one) What minority ? 1) They were supposed to be Autonomous since 1914, Albania didn't meet this obligation. 2) They have the right to defend their history and culture to which the Albanian state tried to eridicate them. 3) They are demanding freedom and equality also the right to their cultural heritage with out the Albanians claiming the Epirotes identity solely for their own use.
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:30:41 GMT -5
You can roll your eyes all you want, but you know as well as I do that thats the cold, hard truth... What truth ? That the Epirotes are Greeks since time can remember. Are you ready for that truth ? Are you in agreement that the word Epirote its self is a Greek word and has Greek origins.... .
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 21, 2008 21:31:31 GMT -5
Spare me the bulls*** you hypocrite, they deserve the same treatment that Chams got back in WW2 for allegedly "acting against the Greek state".
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:33:39 GMT -5
Spare me the bulls*** you hypocrite, they deserve the same treatment that Chams got back in WW2 for allegedly "acting against the Greek state". Why can't you face the truth ? As for the Chams they fled with the Nazi party after committing crimes against the Greek state. there is no legal basis for them and is a none existent issue. These crimes were and are still recorded by the U.N....
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:38:17 GMT -5
As far as we're concerned "South Albania" belongs to Albania, if you start claiming the Epirotes idenity soley for your own use, then your asking for a bruising...
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Post by lozonjare on Dec 21, 2008 21:50:31 GMT -5
Im sorry arxileass, you're the one that is in denial clearly. I mean c'mon now, everyone knows that the Greeks in Asia Minor fled after commiting crimes against the Turkish state, there is no legal basis for them and its a none existent issue, their crimes where and are still recorded by the UN.....
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Post by Arxileas on Dec 21, 2008 21:59:08 GMT -5
^ What ever, oh well good luck Ho ho ho Merry Christmas
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 21, 2008 22:20:30 GMT -5
Im sorry arxileass, you're the one that is in denial clearly. I mean c'mon now, everyone knows that the Greeks in Asia Minor fled after commiting crimes against the Turkish state, there is no legal basis for them and its a none existent issue, their crimes where and are still recorded by the UN..... Now here is a moron talking outta of is ass... hey moron have you heard of the massacres of Chios and Psara? Those happened about 100 years before Asia Minor..... why can't some of you fuggin albs be objective for once in your lives when it comes to telling the truth about Greek history...maybe then we will change the way we view you.
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Post by albquietman on Dec 21, 2008 23:04:05 GMT -5
Kanaris, she is a lady...grown up men do not talk this way to the ladies
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Dec 21, 2008 23:13:00 GMT -5
Hey when you hit 50 it's equal opportunity for all.... I treat all the same..hiding my true feelings only makes me a coward and a jovial d!ck.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Dec 21, 2008 23:13:13 GMT -5
Greek blood running throw my veins sorry I cannot claim I'am Albanian Before the Chams have all there minority rights in the Greek state! After the Cham Albanians had been collaborating with the Germans during the Axis occupation of Greece between 1941-1944 and had been treating badly the Greeks in Epirus by continuing to committee crimes and killing unarmed Greek Civilians with the aim to Ethnic clean the Greeks from Epirus. When the Germans left Greece in 1944 the Greeks arrested the leader of the Cham Albanians and executed him. The Cham Albanians got scared that the time would come to face justice and to get punished for the crimes they commited to Greeks so they fled from Greece to Albania. The Albanians today accuse Greece for a Genocide towards Cham Albanians which had never happend so they can explain the reason they fled and not expelled from Greece to Albania
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Post by albquietman on Dec 21, 2008 23:26:31 GMT -5
Hey when you hit 50 it's equal opportunity for all.... I treat all the same..hiding my true feelings only makes me a coward and a jovial d!ck. I think it's the opposite, but you might be right...when I'll get there I might become the same .
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Post by tejkqyre on Dec 22, 2008 4:54:11 GMT -5
heya all im new here and my englisht is not that good, so pardon my english i just wanted to say, that there r greek speakers in himara of course but i dont seen any dicrimination agains them, they have their schools in greek language, they r free to speak their languane to have their own churches in greek language, so i dont see any problem ah another thing,i agree that arvanitres feel greek , i see also that a lot of arvanites speak albanian/or arvanitas(dunno how thay call their dialect of albanian)so the logic is simple, since they still speak arvanitas language or albanian language means that their root is albanian like part of himariots that speak greek so imagine guys one day tha albanian govermend finds some arvanits in need of money pays them good sponsor they to open new organizations etc feeds them with nationalistic ideas and stard cousin trouble albania is a poor country at this moment noone whats to belong to a poor country i bet a lot of ppl wants to have others citizenships to permits thet to travel freely, propably the situation that albania is now theres not to many thing to be proud of being albanian, but there wer in the past and hopefully gone be in the future
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