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Post by radovic on Nov 21, 2007 13:47:39 GMT -5
Delta to buy Ramstore at about EUR 50mn
EMonline
The expected sale price could reach more than EUR 50mn
The owner of Serbia's Delta holding, Miroslav Miskovic, is set to buy trade centre Ramstore in the capital city of FYROM.
As stated, reasons for the sale of trade centre Ramstore, in which Turkish billionaire Rahmi Koc invested through his company Migros Turk the sum of EUR 35mn, remain unknown.
FYROM businessman Ajdovan Ademoski, who brokered this Turkish venture in FYROM told that there were no negotiations on the sale of the trade centre Ramstore. Furthermore, Delta holding media officer Aleksandar Bojic also said there were no talks on the acquisition of this trade centre.
However, sources close to negotiating teams of both parties involved unofficially say that negotiations are nearing end, and that it is expected that they would be completed in a month.
Delta holding recently stated that it would invest in the region a total of EUR 2,5 to 3bn over the next five years. The company plans to contract 15 trade centres in all major cities in this region.
First such trade centre outside Serbia should be opened in Podgorica in May 2008, which would be followed by investments in Bosnia and Herzegovina, FYROM and Croatia.
Delta also plans to build two more trade centres in Belgrade, twice the size of recently opened Delta City. Construction of the one to be located in Autokomanda should start in 2008 and should be completed in 2010. (Serbia & Montenegro Today)
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Post by besarab on Nov 22, 2007 12:16:14 GMT -5
radovic-this is not a good investment.few months ago the same serban company bought the first ,,cash and carry'' chain in bulgaria-,,pikadily''..first,but not the bigest.furthermore-delta bought only the mark and business but not the material base-for some cosmic price.well now the year is not 1989 but 2007 and since 89 till now more than 100 stores have been opened and 50 more are planed to be open to2010-too many players in too small market.it seems to me like bulgarian owners made a great deal by selling the chain for good money in the best possible moment.no doubt-the turks did the same in makedonia.pozdrav
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Post by radovic on Nov 22, 2007 13:53:20 GMT -5
I didn't say it was a good investment. A Delta investment is probably the worst investment. After being involved ina scandal regarding the U.S. embassy and kosovo's status their have been calls for the companies actions since the Milosevic era investigated and for the dissolution of the firm (since it has engaged in illegal activities). Not obnly that but yesterday a Serbian court ruled it has a monopoly thus meaning it's assets might be sold off.
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Post by besarab on Nov 23, 2007 2:43:17 GMT -5
ok. i see. so,why dont they invest in serbia.why invest in bulgaria for example ,where this business is much more developed,with many more participants,including some of the worlds main ones. i 've seen many serbs to travel to black sea ,or to istanbul ,and usually one of theyr rest points during the trip is some of the big stores in sofia or plovdiv...how do u think
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Post by radovic on Nov 23, 2007 11:51:15 GMT -5
ok. i see. so,why dont they invest in serbia.why invest in bulgaria for example ,where this business is much more developed,with many more participants,including some of the worlds main ones. i 've seen many serbs to travel to black sea ,or to istanbul ,and usually one of theyr rest points during the trip is some of the big stores in sofia or plovdiv...how do u think Delta has invested in Serbia. It has several significant investments undrway. Major international firms are present in Serbia. most of those present in Serbia are present through direct or indirect partnership with Delta. Delta has monopolu and as a result the prices here are higher then in Bulgaria where there is no monopoly. Why is Delata investing in bulgaria? It has a monopoly in Serbia and if it wants to have more profits it has to invest outside of Serbia. Plus. I think you exagerrate "Serbs" going to stores in Bulgaria. If that is happenning then it is because prices are cheaper in Bulgaria due to Delta's monopoly.
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Post by besarab on Nov 26, 2007 3:42:06 GMT -5
ok -i believe you.although there is a contradiction here i think.how come -the wordls leading firms are present in serbia but on other hand delta has a monopoly.dont get me wrong-i dont wanna start a polemic .it is not that important except as knowledge about the economic situation in our neighbouring countryes.despite so close geographicly-we were different before as we are different now..thanks for giving me information.
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Post by radovic on Nov 26, 2007 11:29:56 GMT -5
ok -i believe you.although there is a contradiction here i think.how come -the wordls leading firms are present in serbia but on other hand delta has a monopoly.dont get me wrong-i dont wanna start a polemic .it is not that important except as knowledge about the economic situation in our neighbouring countryes.despite so close geographicly-we were different before as we are different now..thanks for giving me information. I didn't explain well. They are present. most of them are present directly/indirectly through Delta. either their stores operate on property developed/pwned by Delta, Delta own's a share of their operations in Serbia, Delta operates their stores in Serbia. And if the above are not true they are present in Serbia only through illegally working jointly with Delta -- i.e. prices are basically fixed with Delta. Basically Delta is so strong that it can fix prices and run anyone not willing to agree with it could be driven out of business. Their only serious foreign competitor is Merkator and Agrokor and Delta has joint ventures with Agrokor and the two are merging some of their businesses, while the Slovenian authorities have prevented Dekta from buying Merkator.
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Post by besarab on Nov 27, 2007 3:57:53 GMT -5
so serbian market is protective,,our is extra liberal.. wich option is better........i am not sure.but both have coruption as basic characteristic i guess
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Post by radovic on Nov 27, 2007 10:33:00 GMT -5
so serbian market is protective,,our is extra liberal.. wich option is better........i am not sure.but both have coruption as basic characteristic i guess It's not protective. The law does not protect our market. Their is a man who has too much power. Luckily the courts ruled he has a monopoly. Also, resent documents have leaked about his dealings with the American embassy and if our government had any cojones they would prosecute him for treason, seize his assets and sell them off.
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Post by besarab on Nov 28, 2007 4:35:40 GMT -5
a, interesting...who s the guy bre.some of these who rule serbia now.u seem to be one who doesnt live in serbia,considering the time u send ur responces and the style of your thinking:) .nice to meet you
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Post by radovic on Nov 28, 2007 16:31:02 GMT -5
a, interesting...who s the guy bre.some of these who rule serbia now.u seem to be one who doesnt live in serbia,considering the time u send ur responces and the style of your thinking:) .nice to meet you currently I'm abroad in univeristy.
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Post by besarab on Nov 29, 2007 2:01:59 GMT -5
yes. what s your opinion about kosovo issue.just interested to know:)
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Post by radovic on Nov 29, 2007 12:15:28 GMT -5
yes. what s your opinion about kosovo issue.just interested to know:) It's clear. I'm against unilateral independence (I'm against independence and in favour of the Hong kong/Aland Islands model) and if the west recognizes unilateral independence then it should apply it to other regions.
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Post by besarab on Nov 30, 2007 3:54:00 GMT -5
all right:) .i wanned to convince my self that you arent one of the ,,otpor'' kids,sent to study in the west in return of some favors done before haha. ok seriously-what benefits you expect to receive if detain kosovo.furthermore-it would be only on paper,becouse the province is allready independent .i mean lets leave all those santimental prejudices aside[kosovo-our holy land blah,blah]
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Post by radovic on Nov 30, 2007 13:46:09 GMT -5
all right:) .i wanned to convince my self that you arent one of the ,,otpor'' kids,sent to study in the west in return of some favors done before haha. ok seriously-what benefits you expect to receive if detain kosovo.furthermore-it would be only on paper,becouse the province is allready independent .i mean lets leave all those santimental prejudices aside[kosovo-our holy land blah,blah] I hate Otpor. I was too young to participate in it when it was active. I think they should stop their activities of training dissidents from ex-USSR and elsewhere. Benefits. Resepect for international law, no violation of Serbian constiution or international law, progress on reforms in Serbia and of course the end to the massive support Radicals have and the end of Kostunica's carreer.
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Post by besarab on Dec 5, 2007 2:56:20 GMT -5
ok -nice words but behind those words there is another reality-the reality of the facts. kosovo is a cancer in ur body and i wonder how noone can see the simple fact.serbians blinded by nationalism.when somebody has a cancer he wants to cut it and throw it away.you want to keep it,,well u know what happens with the body if the cancer stays:)
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Post by radovic on Dec 5, 2007 14:09:57 GMT -5
ok -nice words but behind those words there is another reality-the reality of the facts. kosovo is a cancer in ur body and i wonder how noone can see the simple fact.serbians blinded by nationalism.when somebody has a cancer he wants to cut it and throw it away.you want to keep it,,well u know what happens with the body if the cancer stays:) If we have a cancer then why doesn't the west offer us a cure. All they've offered as is nothing -- the prospect of joining the EU at some unspecified date in the future (something we already have). I suggest that if the west wants Serbia to agree to Kosovo independence they due the follwoing -- 1. massive amount of money to Serbia, 2. set it as a precedent for other areas, 3. nullyfy recognition of montenegro's referendum result until a new referendum is held in complaince with democratic norms and Montenegrin laws.
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Post by besarab on Dec 6, 2007 1:45:50 GMT -5
If we have a cancer then why doesn't the west offer us a cure---- -- the separation of kosovo is in your interest-not in interest of the west.but ,u know, i think that if serbia has a purpose to trade this independence-it really can happen.considering now day political situation the west would preffer to pay,instead of some new conflict.but ,my young friend-then you will really have a problem.aide guess why:) ..tell me about montenegrin referendum-why nulyfy it--was it unfair.
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Post by radovic on Dec 6, 2007 10:10:11 GMT -5
If we have a cancer then why doesn't the west offer us a cure---- -- the separation of kosovo is in your interest-not in interest of the west.but ,u know, i think that if serbia has a purpose to trade this independence-it really can happen.considering now day political situation the west would preffer to pay,instead of some new conflict.but ,my young friend-then you will really have a problem.aide guess why:) ..tell me about montenegrin referendum-why nulyfy it--was it unfair. Montenegrin referendum was unfair since it violated basic democratic rights and was in violation of Montenegrin laws (including the constitution): 1. Montenegrin citizens in Serbia could not vote while a select few living abroad (less then 10% of those abroad outside Serbia and Montenegro) could. Even though the majority of them lived outside Montenegro for more then 10 years. This is in clear violation of the fact that the constitution said only citizens residing in Montenegro for more then 6 months. 2. Refugees present since the early and late 90s could not vote. They represent 6% of the electorate. They meet the criteria of residency. 3. University students living temporarily aborad (including those in Serbia) could not vote. They represented around 3% of the electorate. Under Montenegrin law they would still be viewed as residents. 4. Prisoners were offered reduced sentences to vote for independence. The majority did. This is a clear violation of the law and democratic norms. 5. mumerous cases of bribery -- including at least one caught on film. 6. People who were not resident for 6 months were allowed to vote in violation of the constiution and the law. 7. Public employees were threatened with firings if the did not vote for independence. This is a clear violation of the law and democratic norms. 8. With regards to problem #6 and #8, the vote could no be deemed democratic if the identities of people who voted for independence or not were aware. This would mean that the vote was not held as a secret ballot. not only that but letters were sent in the summer of 06 to congratulate the people who voted for independence (also included in these letters were people who didn't vote in the referendum).
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Post by besarab on Dec 7, 2007 2:46:51 GMT -5
are you a montenegrin serb by the way?? ok look-i agree some points of your statement sound logical.but sometimes the logic and the law have nothing to do with justice. according what laws serbian creations in croitia and bosnia were found.your people made two bloody wars in order to deffend theyr ,,right'' to live nowhere else but in serbian state.is this correct.and -on other hand ,you deny the right of other people to do the same-people who dont wanna live in serbian state this time.--you seem to be very inteligent and educated guy but in this thread you dont show much analitic and objective thinking.objectivity requires any problem to be taken up by as many as possible points of view.better than to express your conceptions in points as if you prove some mathematical theorem:):)pls dont take it as offence -ziv majci bio:)
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