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Post by bato2 on May 23, 2009 6:18:09 GMT -5
Is the second days of riots...They went to the Parliament? wtf 75 cars damaged?... By Dina KyriakidouATHENS (Reuters) - Greek riot police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Muslims who pelted them with sticks and stones outside parliament on Friday during protests over what they said was the destruction of a Koran by a Greek policeman. The Muslim Union of Greece says that during police checks at a Syrian-owned coffee shop, an officer took a customer's Koran, tore it up, threw it on the floor and stomped on it. Police have launched an investigation. About 1,500 Muslims marched through Athens to protest against the incident, chanting "Allah is great", carrying banners reading "Hands off immigrants" and holding up copies of Islam's holy book. "They started throwing rocks and sticks at police guarding parliament and the officers responded with tear gas and percussion bombs," a police official said. The protesters pulled up pavements, smashed about a dozen shop windows and damaged cars, leaving some overturned in the middle of streets. Bus stops and traffic lights were destroyed and shocked tourists ran into hotels on the central Syndagma Square for cover. Police said 46 protesters were arrested. Seven Muslims and another seven policemen were injured and brought to hospital for treatment. About 75 cars, five stores and one bank were damaged, according to a police statement. "We want to live here in peace, we don't want trouble but we want the policeman to be punished," said a 30-year-old illegal Egyptian immigrant who identified himself as Said. It was the second protest since the reported incident. On Thursday, about 1,000 immigrants, many from Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan, marched to centrally located Omonia Square, smashing several shop windows and five cars The Muslim Union, representing thousands of immigrants in Athens, said it had filed a lawsuit against the unidentified policeman. "Police told us they need more time for the internal investigation so we went ahead and filed a suit," union president Naim Elghandour told Reuters. Deputy Public Order Minister Christos Markogiannakis said that the incident was isolated and that it didn't justify the immigrants' violent outburst. "We call on the economic migrants who live in Greece to respect the rule of law and we point out that the state won't allow such extreme behavior," Markogiannakis said in the statement. Thousands of immigrants, many from Muslim countries, cross into Greece illegally every year seeking a better life in the West. Trapped in legal limbo, most have no jobs, live in squalid conditions and are often arrested for minor crimes. On May 9, members of a rightist group attacked immigrants in Athens, sending at least three to hospital. Rights groups accuse predominantly Orthodox Christian Greece of not doing enough to protect immigrants. Greece says the burden of being the main entry point for illegal immigration into Europe is too heavy to bear alone and has asked its EU partners for help. in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-39823720090522
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Post by Kassandros on May 23, 2009 6:37:25 GMT -5
Nothing important. Really. It always happens in the specific neighborhood.. This time they tried to take it out from there to the parliament square.. and 50% got arrested.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 23, 2009 6:58:01 GMT -5
I cant feel sorry for the Koran...not as an orthodox Greek. This religion has brought too much dolor to our country and people. Seing such audacious protests in Greece by muslims...angers me.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 23, 2009 7:01:07 GMT -5
lol...muslim retard. He wants to live in peace...but he should be able to terrorize others whenever he wants to...typical mentality among these people. Thats why I sometimes feel understanding for the Israelis...many Palestinians are the same. Its this self-righteous, egocentric, primitive stupidity- mentality...
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Post by bato2 on May 23, 2009 7:39:34 GMT -5
Religion is linked with intelligence. ...If you see the most religious nations are third world countries and the poorest ones. 1. Egypt — 100 percent of residents said religion is an important part of their daily life 2. Bangladesh — 99 percent said religion is an important part of their daily life 3. Sri Lanka — 99 percent 4. Indonesia — 98 percent 5. Congo ( Kinshasa ) — 98 percent Ant the least religious countries...You can see the difference 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) www.xepisodes.com/episodes/109/Starvin-Marvin.html
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Post by Kastorianos on May 23, 2009 8:14:24 GMT -5
You have to distinguish here Bato.
There is a great difference if you are atheist by your own conviction, or if a superior power (such as the state) did impose it on you. This is the case with ex-communist countries especially. This circumstance has to be considered always when you read such statistics.
Im of the opinion that not your belonging to the religious or the non-religious people makes the difference between intelligent and stupid but the independent from outside influences, thus free examination of this topic which everyone should make with his own person characterizes somebody as intelligent. Means intelligent is the person that makes his own and no other's adjudegments by using his own brain.
So not the conclusion but the journey is the reward.
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Post by bato2 on May 23, 2009 8:29:30 GMT -5
Is not bad being a religious but When religion run your life ..That is fanaticism
And many times religion stopped the progress in human history
n the 17th century Galileo used his telescope discovery to popularize the fact, discovered by Copernicus, that the Earth revolved around the Sun (and not the other way around). He was convicted of heresy and his book and Copernicus's were banned by the Catholic Church for two centuries. Even to this day many people still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. Progress has been severally slowed by the Catholic Church's repeated attempts to silence those who spread facts about the world to their fellow humans.
The following religions are currently slowing human progress on the following fronts: -Christians are denying Evolution and the world of knowledge it brings to humanity through biology and medicine. -Christians are against Stem-Cell Research which holds promise for many medical advances. -Catholics are against the use of condoms and are promoting false-facts in Africa which is resulting in the increase in human suffering and the continued spread of the AIDS virus. -Mennonite Christians do not believe in Electricity and their society is stuck two centuries in the past. -Muslims are consciously and consistently working against peace, on every front. -Christians and Muslims are spreading bigotry towards homosexuals and promoting revelation based morals which is slowing humanity from developing logical, reason-based ethics than can guide us towards a future of peace and non-violence. -Muslims are slowing the emancipation of the female by supporting the Koranic doctrine that females deserve half the rights of males.
Human progress will continue to be vulnerable so long as our fellow humans believe in dogmas set down centuries (or millennia) ago. All peoples should share the common moral that knowledge is to be continually discovered and our understandings and principals must be changed as we discover more about the Universe.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 23, 2009 8:32:39 GMT -5
It should be everyone's own considerate choice. As long as you dont harm others with it. The same goes for Atheism btw..exactly the same.
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Post by Patrinos on May 23, 2009 10:05:01 GMT -5
Papo-catholic Church historically has been much more conservative than any other dogma(Orthodoxy, Protestantism etc).
I'm glad that Orthodoxy isn't related with terms like Inquisition, Papal authoritarian power, Crusades, indulgences, puritanism etc etc
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Post by Kanaris on May 23, 2009 10:28:48 GMT -5
Does an illegal have any rights in any country around the world? I know for a fact if you are an illegal in the US... you will be back on a plane/bus to your country of origin.
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Post by srbobran on May 23, 2009 10:34:32 GMT -5
I find the whole "Muslims protesting in Greece" thing absolutely appalling. They have no place in your country, they take jobs, they build their poorass ghettos,and then have the audacity to riot claiming they do so in the name of peace. Appalling.
That's true. Orthodoxy has been much more tolerant in regards to science and whatnot than many other religions.
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Post by macmako on May 23, 2009 23:28:36 GMT -5
I cant feel sorry for the Koran...not as an orthodox Greek. This religion has brought too much dolor to our country and people. Seing such audacious protests in Greece by muslims...angers me. The reason is that many, too many Orthodox Christians have a very big obstacle to bring down, which delays their achievement of Theosis. That obstacle is tolerance and understanding for people of other faiths. "Being created in the image of God, every human being is our brother and sister" said the Orthodox Theologian and Archbishop Anastasios Yannoulatos of Albania. This has been very difficult for Greeks in Greece and the Diaspora to grasp. It is appalling to see so many Orthodox Christians going to Church, pray to and thank God for his Son Jesus Christ, receive the Sacraments, then turn around and say so much bad things about people of another religion. So saying that you can not feel sorry for the Koran (I assume you mean the burnt one) as an Orthodox Greek goes against what you should believe.
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Post by Teuta1975 on May 24, 2009 0:45:55 GMT -5
I agree with Bato; Religion brings only mischief. (Not faith though). Just looking at this thread, I was thinking for Albania. If people in Albania were so stupid as to fight for Religion, our country would have been transformed into a battle field seen that there are three different Religions prevailing there! Are we the most civilized people on earth?
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Post by Kastorianos on May 24, 2009 4:22:21 GMT -5
who said Im a practicing orthodox Christ? I said connsciously orthodox Greek. And what you describe goes for your skopjan people as well so spare me your philosophies about my people...
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Post by Kassandros on May 24, 2009 5:26:37 GMT -5
My problem is not their religion... my problem is their attitude. The moto "When in Rome do it like Romans" is very accurate. When you decide to move to a place where other people live.. you have to follow their rules of behavior. You cant just go somewhere... and push people accept your style/culture/behavior. You're the one who goes there... you're the one who will make the changes. When non-Muslim women go to a Muslim country like Iran the're obliged to wear scurfs. They show respect to the countries' rules and people's customs.
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Post by macmako on May 25, 2009 9:23:43 GMT -5
who said Im a practicing orthodox Christ? I said connsciously orthodox Greek. And what you describe goes for your skopjan people as well so spare me your philosophies about my people... I was referring to all Orthodox, not just Greek. But in the case of feeling sorry about the Koran, and that you are Greek, then for respect, I used "Greek Orthodox". I am Greek Orthodox, therefore I know much about YOUR people, as you put it. But again I repeat, I have no connection with the neighbor to the north of Greece, the ones you disrespect by calling Skopians. We are not sure how true the allegation of a police tearing a Koran and throwing it on the ground is. The police are investigating now. Whatever the truth is, in any Christian nation, there should always be respect for those of other religions. Now let's say in a Muslim nation, a policeman checking papers of Christians, takes a Bible, tears it, and throws it on the ground. What reaction will there be? Will there be protests by Christians or would it be suppressed completely? Was this incident in Greece purposely provoked because the Muslim involved knew what reaction they would get (the destruction of that particular Koran)?
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Post by macmako on May 25, 2009 9:52:26 GMT -5
Religion is linked with intelligence. ...If you see the most religious nations are third world countries and the poorest ones. 1. Egypt — 100 percent of residents said religion is an important part of their daily life 2. Bangladesh — 99 percent said religion is an important part of their daily life 3. Sri Lanka — 99 percent 4. Indonesia — 98 percent 5. Congo ( Kinshasa ) — 98 percent Ant the least religious countries...You can see the difference 1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) 2. Vietnam 3. Denmark 4. Norway 5. Japan 6. Czech Republic 7. Finland 8. France 9. South Korea 10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic) www.xepisodes.com/episodes/109/Starvin-Marvin.htmlI agree with this post. But is there a correlation between poorer nations practicing Islam? ....richer nations practicing Christianity? Are they poor because of what Islam teaches? Are they poorer because they are connected to their faith, following it more intensely with more of the population doing the same? Are the Muslim nations poorer because Islam inhibits progress?
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Post by Kastorianos on May 25, 2009 12:31:35 GMT -5
You belong to the traitors of Florina. To the bunch of Voskopoulos. Well actually you are no traitors because being a traitor requires to be one of us. But you arent. You are a Slav. You belong to the Skopjans. And dont tell me you are just supporting them out of objectivity and justice. In fact you are supporting them because you feel closely connected to them. Calling them Skopjans makes you feel bad, because you feel that their calling name, is simultaneously yours, too. Therefore if they arent Macedonians, you arent either. And you dont want to live with this thought.
All in all you are a Slav hypocrite, thus the conversation between me and you ends here, I dont discuss with Skopjans from our Macedonia.
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Post by Kassandros on May 25, 2009 13:27:38 GMT -5
who said Im a practicing orthodox Christ? I said connsciously orthodox Greek. And what you describe goes for your skopjan people as well so spare me your philosophies about my people... I was referring to all Orthodox, not just Greek. But in the case of feeling sorry about the Koran, and that you are Greek, then for respect, I used "Greek Orthodox". I am Greek Orthodox, therefore I know much about YOUR people, as you put it. But again I repeat, I have no connection with the neighbor to the north of Greece, the ones you disrespect by calling Skopians. We are not sure how true the allegation of a police tearing a Koran and throwing it on the ground is. The police are investigating now. Whatever the truth is, in any Christian nation, there should always be respect for those of other religions. Now let's say in a Muslim nation, a policeman checking papers of Christians, takes a Bible, tears it, and throws it on the ground. What reaction will there be? Will there be protests by Christians or would it be suppressed completely? Was this incident in Greece purposely provoked because the Muslim involved knew what reaction they would get (the destruction of that particular Koran)? Demosthenes dont mislead people. It was not book of Koran and a police officer teard it apart. It was 3-4 very small pages (every page 1 sentence), in the size of half a finger and these 3 pages were wraped with plastic so as to make it wateproof. Its was looking like a fix of heroin or cocaine. I saw it in the news! The Arab guy was sitting in a cafe in the most dangerous neighborhood of Athens. Polimen were from the Drug unit.. they started searching everybody in the cafe.. and among them it was the Arab guy too. They found this small plastic fix and they teared it apart to see what is into it... and then the arab started screaming and that is how everything started..
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Post by macmako on May 25, 2009 16:08:22 GMT -5
The Muslim Union of Greece says that during police checks at a Syrian-owned coffee shop, an officer took a customer's Koran, tore it up, threw it on the floor and stomped on it. Police have launched an investigation.
Vasili, do not mislead people. This is from the report posted at the beginning of the thread. If anything came up later about this, I am not aware of it. You use the lack of info on this post to make yourself rise to the top, when I have already got you pinned down.
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