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Post by terroreign on Jan 22, 2008 7:18:44 GMT -5
Hmm this is a problem, greece you are part of the EU, act like it!
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Post by radovic on Jan 22, 2008 10:15:07 GMT -5
Hmm this is a problem, greece you are part of the EU, act like it! ^ Greece don't listen to this mad-man. Hwe supports all historical revisionism.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 22, 2008 10:32:28 GMT -5
you mean left over bulgarians ?
what a bunch of losers...you are..
i hope the albos tear you a new one....for once i dont know why we cant side with albania and just divide the bastard of a nation...with of course bulgaria and serbia..
make it one hell of a gang bang ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 23, 2008 8:43:52 GMT -5
"Although ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece make up a large minority with their own language and culture, their internationally-recognized human rights and even their existence are vigorously denied by the Greek government..." --------------------------------------------------------------- Me, my family, my friends.... are Macedonians and nobody denies our culture and our rights in Greece.
Now.. if you speak about some Macedonians who dont want to be part of Hellenism... then dont speak about "large minority" since they are 3,600 persons. Thats the number of the voters of Rainbow Party that represents their ideas.
By posting that a "large minority" .... of 3,600 persons is being suppressed, and not taking into acount the rest 2 million Macedonians of the same region who are against these views... I think you judge impartially in a deliberate way.
You misinform people deliberately... and that is named "Propaganda". That has nothing to do with democracy where the majority rules.
Try to be fair with everybody in your life as you want others to be fair with you.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 23, 2008 8:56:35 GMT -5
"Greek courts have denied permission to establish a "Center for Macedonian Culture." -------------------------------------------------------------- There are the Macedonian Arceological Museum, The Macedonian Museum of Modern Arts, The Macedonian Folklore Museum, University of Macedonia, Universtity of West Macedonia, Aristotelion University, Macedonian Museum of the Contemporary Art, Museum of Macedonian Struggle. Follow the link to see the museums and see their addresses. www.museumsofmacedonia.gr/Now... can you repeat to me what exatly do you mean.... when you're saying that Macedonians are "suppressed" and Greeks deny their "existence" in Greece?
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Post by ioan on Jan 24, 2008 0:57:41 GMT -5
"macedonians"? You mean northwest Greeks of Greece? And by the slav "macedonians" u mean Bulgarians of course.
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Post by slowdent on Jan 24, 2008 4:46:18 GMT -5
greekslav
Since u pasted it I persume u agree, I would be grateful if you showed evidence on:
MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE,
PERSECUTIONS AND CONVICTIONS FOR THEIR PEACEFUL EXPRESSION OF THEIR VIEWS.
we will come back later for the rest
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 24, 2008 5:12:04 GMT -5
"Why do you divide the Greeks of Greece into two catagories: Greek and Macedonian. Are not the Greeks in northern Greece "Greeks"? Seems a very odd thing to do, especially coming from a Greek. Are you implying that the Macedonians are not Greek, threfore they are referred to as "Macedonians". I am not sure if you know but people that live in Greece are called "Greeks" --------------------------------------------------------------- ? "Divide"? "implying"? ... GreekSlav... I really have hard time to understand your posts... If a Texan says ... "in Texas we live 2 million Texans and 3 million Americans from other regions"...... he wants to divide US??? ....or he immplies the Texans are not Americans??? If a Bavarian says "in Bavaria there are 2 million Bavarians and 3 million of the rest of the Germans".... he wants to divide Germany??? ...or he immplies the Bavarians are not Germans??? ...I really cant get you dude.. How I will separate the regions of Greece and their citizens If I dont use the worlds Macedonians, Epirots, Pelloponeseans, Cretans, Pontians... How will you understand where I'm refering to if I just say "Greek"? Greek is a Cretan and Greek is an Epirot too. How will you understand to whom I'm refering if I dont refer to his regional name??? If I just say to you "I'm Greek".... how will you understand where I'm from? How will you understand that my origins are not in the Black Sea, Asia Minor or Crete and are in Macedonia??? If you say you're from Dalmatia.... I understand you're Croate from the region of Dalmatia. ...I really have hard time to get you mate.... Try to improve and reorganize your way of thinking in order others to understand your sayings... Its like talking to a 6 year old boy where everything is confused in his mind..
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 24, 2008 5:16:55 GMT -5
"You are funny when you are not able to respond to a simple post" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ...and here we go again with your weird posts? "not able" I gave you 2 answers for your post. ... I really cannot get what you mean.. There are 2 post of mine as responce to your initial post... and you dont comment on them. On the contrary.... you are writting that I am not "able" to answer to you.. " GreekSlav... we have a problem here.. Reorganise your thoughts! By the way... I would love to see your answer to my post. I repost it.. and please try to organise your thoughts and give me an answer. Grow up... mate. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are the Macedonian Arceological Museum, The Macedonian Museum of Modern Arts, The Macedonian Folklore Museum, University of Macedonia, Universtity of West Macedonia, Aristotelion University, Macedonian Museum of the Contemporary Art, Museum of Macedonian Struggle. Follow the link to see the museums and see their addresses. www.museumsofmacedonia.gr/Now... can you repeat to me what exatly do you mean.... when you're saying that Macedonians are "suppressed" and Greeks deny their "existence" in Greece?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 24, 2008 6:49:42 GMT -5
Its simple, the slavs start calling themselves something else and drop their territorial aspirations toward Greece. I have no simpathy toward the slavs of nth greece because they are asking for it, however l do have simpathy for them in vardar due to the albanian troubles!.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 24, 2008 17:28:37 GMT -5
^ No its not paranoia but its stupid and embaressing.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 25, 2008 20:11:15 GMT -5
There are the Macedonian Arceological Museum, The Macedonian Museum of Modern Arts, The Macedonian Folklore Museum, University of Macedonia, Universtity of West Macedonia, Aristotelion University, Macedonian Museum of the Contemporary Art, Museum of Macedonian Struggle. Follow the link to see the museums and see their addresses. www.museumsofmacedonia.gr/Now... can you repeat to me what exatly do you mean.... when you're saying that Macedonians are "suppressed" and Greeks deny their "existence" in Greece?
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 26, 2008 5:47:13 GMT -5
"Why do you divide the Greeks of Greece into two catagories: Greek and Macedonian." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No.. I divide them in 12+ categories: Macedonians, Epirots, Thracians,Thessalians,Ionians,Atheneans, Pelloponeseans,Cretans, Pontians, Anatolians,Islanders,Cypriots, etc etc How comes and you only see 2? "Are not the Greeks in northern Greece "Greeks"? Seems a very odd thing to do, especially coming from a Greek." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I implying also that Atheneans or Pelloponeseans or Pontians are not Greeks..?? I dont get it as always mate.. Try to do what we've said; organise your thoughts "Are you implying that the Macedonians are not Greek, threfore they are referred to as "Macedonians"." --------------------------------------------------------------- Am I implying that the ones reffered as Thessalians or Atheneans or Peloponeseans.... are not Greek too... since they are refered as Thessalians, Atheneans or Peloponeseans..?? I dont get it as always mate.. Try to do what we've said; organise your thoughts "I am not sure if you know but people that live in Greece are called "Greeks". " -------------------------------------------------------------------- I am aware of that.... but I think that also people who live in Pelloponisos are called Pelloponeseans, people who live in Athens are called Atheneans, people who live in Macedonia are called Macedonians and so on... I dont get it as always mate.. Try to do what we've said; organise your thoughts
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 26, 2008 5:48:01 GMT -5
..and lets go now to the usual never answered post There are the Macedonian Arceological Museum, The Macedonian Museum of Modern Arts, The Macedonian Folklore Museum, University of Macedonia, Universtity of West Macedonia, Aristotelion University, Macedonian Museum of the Contemporary Art, Museum of Macedonian Struggle. Follow the link to see the museums and see their addresses. www.museumsofmacedonia.gr/Now... can you repeat to me what exatly do you mean.... when you're saying that Macedonians are "suppressed" and Greeks deny their "existence" in Greece?
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 27, 2008 6:50:14 GMT -5
?? I have answered to your question. What do you want? The same answer again?! As far as it concerns your inability to answer to my post I'll comment on that. You said that Greece denies the existence of Macedonians? I answered with a list of places that promote the existence of Macedonians and I personally thank the Greek government for that. Now.. If you meant... Slav"Macedonians".. you should have said it. You said Macedonians... and not Slav"Macedonians"! Lets take now the Slav"Macedonians" that you're reffering to. Why should the Greek government open any kind of institurion for those 3,600 people ONLY, who want it? Why should Greek governemnt irritates the 2,5 million Macedonians who dont want something like that inside their land? Why the Greek government must hear the voices of 3,600 "Macedonians" .. and neglect the voices of 2,5 million Macedonians? It sounds more Titoic to me than Democratic.. On this issue, if the Slav"Macedonians" want to open an institution that express them and ONLY them they are free to do it. Of course they have to separate themselves from the 2,5 million Macedonians. I cant find any other way to separate themselves than pointing their difference; And you know what their difference is; The word "Slav".. As far as they dont use that word... there is not even one case I'll visit a Macedonian institution where I cant understand the language and generally does not represent my culture or the culture of Alexander the Great the King of Macedonians.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 27, 2008 9:34:24 GMT -5
GS.. I think Basil answered your question more than one time in a polite and educated manner ( im not as polite and slightly belligerent ). Your either playing stupid or your an instigatore. Mods...can you get this clown off this forums ? And dont enter the greek forum with that " flag ". Basil.. Great replies...it couldnt get any clearer than what you posted. your the man....
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Post by areianos on Jan 27, 2008 18:37:48 GMT -5
Hiding behind the guise of human rights and self determnation when it's sole purpose is to land grab Pirin & Aegan. You as a people are going backwards.
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 28, 2008 13:52:22 GMT -5
GreekSlav.... you dont like giving answers very much.. right? What happened? Tito didnt prepared you for them? lol lol You thought that by saying "from now on we are Macedonians"... you are? lol lol Ah bre poor commie..... even after so many years... commounism is deep in your soul. How are you gonna reach the evolution of Europe bre?
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Post by Kassandros on Jan 31, 2008 0:46:21 GMT -5
That is what I mean: You said that Greece denies the existence of Macedonians? I answered with a list of places that promote the existence of Macedonians and I personally thank the Greek government for that. Now.. If you meant... Slav"Macedonians".. you should have said it. You said Macedonians... and not Slav"Macedonians"! Lets take now the Slav"Macedonians" that you're reffering to. Why should the Greek government open any kind of institurion for those 3,600 people ONLY, who want it? Why should Greek governemnt irritates the 2,5 million Macedonians who dont want something like that inside their land? Why the Greek government must hear the voices of 3,600 "Macedonians" .. and neglect the voices of 2,5 million Macedonians? It sounds more Titoic to me than Democratic.. On this issue, if the Slav"Macedonians" want to open an institution that express them and ONLY them they are free to do it. Of course they have to separate themselves from the 2,5 million Macedonians. I cant find any other way to separate themselves than pointing their difference; And you know what their difference is; The word "Slav".. As far as they dont use that word... there is not even one case I'll visit a Macedonian institution where I cant understand the language and generally does not represent my culture or the culture of Alexander the Great the King of Macedonians In case you have any trouble with my English tell me so as to wright it down in any language you want if that is the condition to take an answer... lol lol
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Post by grksdied4you on Feb 4, 2008 19:28:07 GMT -5
GREEK SLAV? Uhhhh.... Ummmmm.... Hmmmmm..... Uhhhhh...... UUUUMMMM..... Why do we pay attention to this kind of stuff?
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