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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 7, 2009 19:33:47 GMT -5
Den mou lete...giati to Pasok einai toso malakismeni antipoliteusi...telika kseroun na zitan kai na protinoun kati allo apo ekloges....kai na milan gia kati allo apo anatropes...ti ilithioi anthropoi....tha ithela na matho poioi einai autoi oi malakes pou tous psifizoun....echo dei achrista kommata alla san to pasok, den ksanaeida..kai oute prokeite... oriste...scholia oi "lewentes" kai "nikites" pou kanoun.. www.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_kathremote_1_07/06/2009_283338Re ti kataferan, mou lete? Nikites tin ora pou to kiwernon komma wrisketai stin chieroteri thesi apo pote...me diafora 4% mono kai kamia diafora stis edres tis Eurowoulis...milan gia niki? Kai theloun na kerdisoun kai tis ethnikes autoi? Ti korifi tis geloiotitasThee mou...tha mas trelanoun...eleos... Zito i Nea Dimokratia na'oum...
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 8, 2009 2:03:44 GMT -5
Ase, ase btw LAOS made some extra gains from previous years
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 8, 2009 5:04:49 GMT -5
The keys bullets.. Laos has doubled its percentage. Its a big victory for far-right. My party.. Panhellenic Macedonian Front didnt make it.. Ecology Party.. part of European Greens... who have as a leader Daniel Con Petit.... an emloyee of George Soros foundation.. who is an employee of C.I.A... is what troubles me.. They took advantage of the ecological problems and interests of people... and they promote their ideas who are the same ideas of Rainbow Political party. That will be a future problem...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 8, 2009 5:53:54 GMT -5
Green parties are always s.hit...they consist of a bunch of hypocrites...I would forbid them...
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Post by bato2 on Jun 9, 2009 2:52:29 GMT -5
Papandreus is not fit for Greek politics,is too nice for a Greek politician,maybe because is raised and studied in Sweden.He has to learn the dirty trick otherwise he will be always in oposition.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 9, 2009 3:37:34 GMT -5
Papandreus is not fit for Greek politics,is too nice for a Greek politician,maybe because is raised and studied in Sweden.He has to learn the dirty trick otherwise he will be always in oposition. You are right, he is nothing like his father...he is not such populist, toughie etc things that are ...almost must for a politician who wants to make career in Greek politics... I think though that he has good ideas... Its also sad that I've never heard from him that if he becomes primeminister he will put an end to the impermissible privilleges of the civil servants that his father has given...plentifully. Is there anywhere in Europe that the civil servant who is retired to take an ammount cash of about 100.000 ¤??!!! Or some of them to get retired in their fifty??? Or for example every cop,fireman,coastguards etc take about 1.000¤ every time elections are taking place(national, regional, european)
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Post by bato2 on Jun 9, 2009 5:48:59 GMT -5
^ His father changed the Greek Politics and made Greece a modern country.The problem is he is still under the shadow of his father's legacy and he cannot escape.Only one thing i don't understand about Greek Politics...Why has to be two dynasties(Papandreu or Karamanlis) to run the country for so many decades,why? I think Greece need more choices than that.Because their fathers were succsseful that doesn't mean they gonna be good politicians to, that is mad! I think Greece is tired of names Karmanlis and Papandreu
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 9, 2009 6:05:43 GMT -5
it doesnt matter Bato, What difference does it make if the captain of the team is clean if your whole team is corrupt ? The problem is that we dont have enough ppl governing. All of them need to go. Its the same skatofatses I see everyday on tv. We need somebody that will scrap this whole system and get ppl that are completely untouched by these politicians. We need new blood...untainted blood. In this case...the most unexperienced candidate should be elected but in the end of the day, its the greek citizen voting for the same party. When that ends, hope will be around the corner.
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 9, 2009 6:08:49 GMT -5
Andreas Papandreou was a very charismatic politician but his policy was in the long run a disaster for the Greek country...read what Patrinos says...these are the fatal remains of Papandreou's populist policy.
Papandreou bought his reelection with such regularizations...it was nothing else. Rich industrial countries do not have such regularizations.... how should a small country with almost no industry at all bear up against such regulazations?
The result is that some few people are working hard and paying taxes for very many officials...who have an easy life. And no politician dares to change this situation...because he fears it will cost him his position. And the vicious circle turns further...and further...and Greece remains where it is...no step forward...most of the achieved money dedicated to the officials...no progress...no nothing.
And the electorate have gotten used to these circumstances....they are not thankful anymore for "efapax" and other utopic desastrous regularizations. But democracy doesnt change anything...because the politicians care for themselves first of all...as the average Greek does.... We are no people for democracy...accept it finally. What Greece needs is a strong monarch.
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 9, 2009 6:19:56 GMT -5
Isocrates said it best...now if I can only find that quote.....
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 9, 2009 6:22:20 GMT -5
“Ç Äçìïêñáôßá ìáò áõôïêáôáóôñÝöåôáé äéüôé êáôå÷ñÜóèç ôï äéêáßùìá ôçò åëåõèåñßáò êáé ôçò éóüôçôáò, äéüôé Ýìáèå ôïõò ðïëßôåò íá èåùñïýí ôçí áõèÜäåéá ùò äéêáßùìá, ôçí ðáñáíïìßá ùò åëåõèåñßá, ôçí áíáßäåéá ôïõ ëüãïõ ùò éóüôçôá êáé ôçí áíáñ÷ßá ùò åõäáéìïíßá.“ ÉóïêñÜôçò (436 – 338 ð.×. )
“Our Democracy is destroying itself because it took advantage of the rights of freedom and equality, because it taught citizens to consider insolence as a right, illegality as freedom, impudence of reason as equality and anarchy as bliss.“ Isocrates (436 – 338 B.C.)
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 9, 2009 6:22:21 GMT -5
Η Δημοκρατία μας αυτοκαταστρέφεται
διότι κατεχράσθη το δικαίωμα
της ελευθερίας και της ισότητας,
διότι έμαθε τους πολίτες
να θεωρούν την αυθάδεια ως δικαίωμα,
την παρανομία ως ελευθερία,
την αναίδεια του λόγου ως ισότητα
και την αναρχία ως ευδαιμονία..
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Post by chalkedon on Jun 9, 2009 6:24:21 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
Perfect timing !
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 9, 2009 6:28:24 GMT -5
The problem is we always say "its bad, its bad"...but nothing happens.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 9, 2009 7:09:30 GMT -5
Bato2 "Only one thing i don't understand about Greek Politics...Why has to be two dynasties(Papandreu or Karamanlis) to run the country for so many decades,why? I think Greece need more choices than that." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Because the rest choices are working hard and dont have time for politics. You need to have plenty of time for becoming a politician.. and these 2 rich boys had it.
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