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Post by bob1389 on Jun 30, 2009 22:51:29 GMT -5
Zagreb - Five neo-Nazis attacked a group of Romas in the Croatian capital of Zagreb in the night between Thursday and Friday, an NGO says. The Association of Young Antifascists of Zagreb said in a statement that the incident occurred when two attackers hurled insults and tried to set on fire a dump that the Roma collected scrap materials from. After that, they pelted the Roma with stones. After their victims threatened they would call the police, the pair went to get "reinforcements", the NGO says. Five young men returned, armed with Molotov cocktails, throwing them at the trucks the Roma used, and dousing one of them with inflammable liquid. The association believes that the only motive for the attack was the victims' skin color, and this represents "open racism, neo- Nazism of the worst kind that we must all fight together, instead of waiting for someone else to solve our problems". www.cjp.org/page.aspx?id=202530
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Post by superstar on Jun 30, 2009 23:16:36 GMT -5
Croatian Neo-Nazis are meaner and stronger then Serbian, Greek, Russian, German... Neo-Nazis. No doubt about it.
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Post by srbobran on Jun 30, 2009 23:55:13 GMT -5
No, they're just more numerous. By the way, Russian Nazis are crazy. I think they outdo everyone in that category.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 1, 2009 0:40:27 GMT -5
Bob it would be better if you did not visit Zagreb.
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Post by maki on Jul 1, 2009 2:01:42 GMT -5
^I think Albanians in general would be more at risk to neo-nazi groups because of their dark, turkish-like skin colour.
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Post by insomniac on Jul 1, 2009 2:11:46 GMT -5
Actually that would be the opposite. These new Neo-nazi groups would be more at risk from Albanians.
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Post by tyson on Jul 1, 2009 4:41:11 GMT -5
well as a croat, i must say that i'm very ashamed to see this type of shyt happen.
incidents like these are very rare in zagreb or croatia for that matter. coz if something like this happens, its all over the news straight away.
and to the people who think that zagreb or croatia for that matter is filled with scumbags like this, have certainly never been to zagreb, or they're a serb or someone who doesnt like croats, and sticks to their prejudice views of us.
shyt like this is not common, but ofcourse we have our share of skinheads, but no more in proportion to other european countries.
serbia has just as much skinheads, if not more, so i wouldnt be so quick to point the finger at us.
albanians in zagreb are very integrated citizens, and for the most part do not stand out from the crowd as looking different from other zagrepcani.
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Post by srbobran on Jul 1, 2009 14:33:38 GMT -5
Listen buddy, I never said anything bad abotu Croats or Croatia but Neo-Nazism IS more prevalent in Croatia than in Serbia. I'm not saying we don't have these types as well but its a well known fact.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 1, 2009 15:58:51 GMT -5
Serbia maybe not as much, but there is a Serbian KKK, haha
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Post by vinjak on Jul 1, 2009 20:55:10 GMT -5
All of Europe has there Neo Nazi, skinhead movements I dont know how someone can say "they have more" etc......truth is it is all over the world and under many different Names.
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Post by radovic on Jul 1, 2009 23:15:05 GMT -5
Serbia maybe not as much, but there is a Serbian KKK, haha And every year 20+ immigrants from Eastern Europe in Israel are arrested for neo-nazism. Your point.
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Post by bob1389 on Jul 1, 2009 23:15:46 GMT -5
Bob it would be better if you did not visit Zagreb. The only time I would visit Zagreb would be with a 90kg bomb strapped to my back.......I joke I joke. I actually like Zagreb, it's a nice cultured place. Its citizens are prone to fascism but it is nice nonetheless.
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Post by radovic on Jul 1, 2009 23:22:55 GMT -5
The group making this allegation are Antifas. Everyones who isn't an extreme leftist of the EU variety to them is a fascist <-- forgod sakes read some of the things Antifas have said on the Pescanik program [ they accuse Tadic of being a nationalist, chetnik and of beign rightwing <-- because his centrist party has moved right on certain positions].
I remember a few months ago I read about how some Gypsy squatters were kicked out of a construction site they occupied. Antifas reacted hysterically that the mayor of Belgrade was a fascist, that he was destroying a shanty town and forcing the gypsies into a co ncentration camp [ in reality they went back to the Gypsy settlement where they lived ].
Interestingly, only some minor media reported it, when they returned to the Gypsy settlement they were kicked out by other gypsies <-- seem they were kicked out by their neighbouts in some dispute. But Antifas were nowhere to be found to accuse the Gypsies who kickedout the gypsies of being Gypsy Fascists.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 2, 2009 4:51:55 GMT -5
Serbia maybe not as much, but there is a Serbian KKK, haha And every year 20+ immigrants from Eastern Europe in Israel are arrested for neo-nazism. Your point. Link? Were they jewish? And neo-nazism is one thing, KKK is another. All european countries have their crazies, but Serbia having a KKK gang is just ridiculous.
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Post by bob1389 on Jul 2, 2009 4:59:25 GMT -5
It's a product of US imperialism and is no worse than having McDonalds stores all over Serbia.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 2, 2009 5:29:06 GMT -5
^More like it's a product of Serbs who because of nationalism become racist and incredibly ignorant, and with the loss of Kosovo it seems this type will grow amongst the serbian population.
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Post by bob1389 on Jul 2, 2009 9:37:50 GMT -5
So what you are saying is, the KKK is a Serbian creation? That is what you are saying?
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Post by terroreign on Jul 2, 2009 16:16:50 GMT -5
Yes, the serbian KKK is a serbian creation
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Post by occamsrazor on Jul 2, 2009 18:36:55 GMT -5
Listen buddy, I never said anything bad abotu Croats or Croatia but Neo-Nazism IS more prevalent in Croatia than in Serbia. I'm not saying we don't have these types as well but its a well known fact. Do you anything to back up this claim? While the ultranationalist religious nutcase Thompson is a popular singer in Croatia that doesn't constitute neo-Nazism among his listeners. Thompson's beliefs have little to do with the specifically Nazi agenda but rather neo-fascistic and clerical views of how Croatia should be governed how Croats ought to be. What I consider neo-Nazi are specifically new age groups of people that more or less follow the doctrine of the Nazi party in pre-war Germany. Interestingly, on a particularly neo-nazi internet forum like Stormfront the Serbian community is one of the largest if not the largest outside of the American and Russian sections. The Croatian one in comparison is rather small.
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Post by radovic on Jul 2, 2009 23:14:58 GMT -5
And every year 20+ immigrants from Eastern Europe in Israel are arrested for neo-nazism. Your point. Link? Were they jewish? And neo-nazism is one thing, KKK is another. All european countries have their crazies, but Serbia having a KKK gang is just ridiculous. Israeli ambassador stated it on BBC some 18 months ago. It's usually an individual. They were Jewish, but the ambassador talked about this because it was a case of 8 of them being arrested at ones. Behind Israel's Neo-Nazi Violence By Tim McGirk/Jerusalem Tuesday, Sep. 11, 2007 An Israeli detainee (C) suspected of belonging to a neo-Nazi cell leaves court in Ramle, near Tel Aviv, September 9, 2007. Gil Cohen Magen / Reuters Print Reprints Email Twitter LinkedIn Buzz up!Facebook MORE...Add to my: del.icio.us Technorati reddit Google Bookmarks Mixx StumbleUpon Blog this on: TypePad LiveJournal Blogger MySpace The neo-Nazi gang seemed typical of such miscreants in many parts of the world — bored, rebellious teenagers who fantasized about Hitler in the privacy of their bedrooms. They spewed hatred against foreigners and Jews, and went so far as to spray a swastika inside a synagogue. Even more chillingly, they stalked ultra-orthodox Jewish youths and viciously beat them up. But while such ugly outbreaks of anti-Semitic violence are not unknown in Europe or the United States, this one happened in Israel. Not only that, all eight of the gang members arrested (aged between 16 and 21) were themselves Jewish — at least under Israeli law. One of the suspects is a straight A student in Jewish religious studies, whose grandmother had survived the Holocaust. Israeli authorities say there is nothing to suggest that the presence of Nazism within the borders of the Jewish state goes beyond these oddball, teenage bullies. But the fact that this gang exists at all has caused outrage in the Israeli press and in government circles, reopening debate over Israel's "Law of Return" that grants automatic citizenship to anyone with at least one Jewish grandparent. Throughout the 1990s, Israel absorbed over 1 million immigrants from the former Soviet Union, keen to swell the Jewish population out of fears that at some point in the future, the country's Arabs might outnumber its Jewish population. Israeli officials now concede that more than one in four of those Soviet immigrants were not practicing Jews, and that they included thousands of non-Jews who felt no sympathy for Zionism but saw their claim on Israeli citizenship as a means of escaping the economic ravages of a collapsing Soviet empire. The eight accused neo-Nazi gang members were all immigrants from the former Soviet Union, and their case has reminded Israelis that some of those who arrived in the 1990s were not, in fact, descended from the victims of anti-Jewish pogroms and roundups of Jews by locals during the Nazi invasion, but could just as easily be descendants of the perpetrators. Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit on Monday ordered his staff to examine the citizenship papers of the families of the neo-Nazi gang members. "I will not hesitate to revoke their citizenship," Sheetrit said. "It is certain that this phenomenon is the embodiment of anti-Semitism at its nadir." But the reasons why a teenager might turn against his own tribe may be more complex than a dubious bloodline or a forged ID. Israel in many ways can be a shuttered, exclusive society in which outsiders find it difficult to fit in. Some of the Soviet immigrants adapted well to Israeli life, and are now among the country's best doctors, classical musicians, star athletes and army commandos. But for many, the transition to Israel was jarring and disruptive. Despite their professional credentials, they were only offered low-paying jobs as hospital cleaners and restaurant security guards, the first line of defense against a suicide bomber. Youngsters fell into gangs and crime; police say that in 2003, Russian immigrants accounted for 14% of the country's juvenile crime wave. As one educator told the daily Yedioth Ahronoth, the neo-Nazi teenagers were probably acting out "feelings of frustration and deprivation." Led by Eli Boynatov, 19, nicknamed "Eli the Nazi", the gang vandalized synagogues near Tel Aviv and beat up Ethiopian Jews, gays, drug addicts and ultra-Orthodox youth. The fact that they videotaped their savage acts proved to be their undoing. Police raided the suspects' homes and seized one tape in which "Eli the Nazi" says: "My grandfather was a half-Jewboy. I will not have children so that this trash will not be born with even a tiny percent of Jewboy blood." Such remarks chilled Israelis, who wondered how such hatred could have spread undetected in their midst. The relatives of these neo-Nazi teenagers are asking themselves the same question. One 17-year-old gang member, known as "A," came from a deeply Zionist family. His Ukrainian grandmother described to the press how she was only six when the Nazis herded her and other Jewish families into open pits. "The Nazis stood all the Jews they had rounded up and began to shoot them. I was saved by a miracle because someone fell on me and hid me. I know who the Nazis are, I went through it, and my grandson knows that very well." She claimed that her grandson was "terrified" of the neo-Nazis and "didn't know how to get out." Nevertheless, Israelis are stunned to find an outbreak of virulent anti-Semitism in their own country.
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