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Post by Arxileas on Jul 11, 2009 1:05:25 GMT -5
Vasko detained again Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) Basic Human Rights
Australian Macedonian Advisory Council
July 08, 2009
According to the latest information available, Vasko Gligorijevic, the well-known activist from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), strong criticizer of "Pseudomacedonism" and ardent Philhellene, was arrested and is currently detained in Tetovo´s prison. What is his crime? For expressing online views that are critical of the FYROM government and especially of the widely-imposed fictitious construstion of PseudoMacedonism? Unluckily this sad outcome has been verified in the worst possible way; the fears of Vasko himself, even about his own life, fears he has previously expressed (even before his disappearance 4 days ago). We are reminded of his first arrest and containment in the Bardovci Psychiatric Hospital, about only 5 months ago. This was a case which resulted in huge outrage in Greece, and finally international pressure against FYROM´s regime allowed the release of Vasko to become a reality.
The fact that FYROM´s regime arrests people solely on the basis that they criticize the state (on-line!), speaks volumes about the government´s disregard for the most basic human rights. Suppression of the freedom of speech is a strong indicator of the un-democratic values shown, and these values seem to be running rampant nowdays in FYROM. FYROM leaders tend to use nationalist aggression to send their people into a ultra-nationalistic frenzy. Pervasive propaganda and a habbit of demonising, discrediting, casting as "enemies/traitors" of their country; for all those who happen to think differently and are bravely defying the official line of the FYROM government. Latest trend in FYROM is to throw the criticizers of the regime like Vasko, into prisons or "psychiatric institutions" for certain periods of time, hoping that it ´curbs´ their mentality. The detention of Vasko Gligorijevic is a blatant case of assault against international law, against fundamental Human Rights standards and undoubtedly prove that FYROM (a country aspiring to become a member of the EU and NATO), still cannot get rid of its communist era´s mentality. International Organizations and especially Human Rights Agencies must publicly demand the immediate and unconditional release of Vasko Gligorijevic, and criticize FYROM for its latest human rights abuse.
from:http://history-of-macedonia.com/word...o-latest-info/
info@macedonian.com.au
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Post by Arxileas on Jul 11, 2009 1:06:07 GMT -5
July 9, 2009 To: The EU Parliament, UN Missions, Human Rights Agencies, World Media, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Hellenic Foreign Minister Dora Bakogianni, & the Hellenic Parliament On January 29, 2009 we brought to your attention the arrest on January 28, 2009 of Mr. Vasil Gligorov (aka Vasko Gligorijevic) in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (the FYROM) after police charged into Mr. Gligorov's apartment where they arrested him purportedly because of his activist actions. Mr. Gligorov, a university graduate in history, has devoted his efforts at improving Slavic-Greek friendship through the advancement of historiographic and anthropological scholarship about Southern Slavs in the Balkans and Greeks as well as the various aspects of their mutual cultural and political relations. He is a strong critic of the extreme nationalistic narrative of "Makedonism" in FYROM and one of the leading members of the Slavic Philhellenic Network. At that time, Mr. Gligorov was imprisoned in a "mental institution" where he was subjected to physical and mental torture and came close to death. He was subsequently released after strenuous objections from the international community. On July 4, 2009 Mr. Gligorov sent the following message to a trusted individual: "I may be arrested again. I know that from my sources. Please check me on this email in the next 12 hours. Do not alert nobody for now, please, it is not certain. But do check me every 12 hours for few days. If repeatedly do not answer in next hours or days, I'm dead, I'm gone." Mr. Gligorov has not been heard from since then and according to our sources he has been arrested again per direct order of Prime Minister Gruevski and has been sent to prison in Tetovo. FYROM must abandon the mentality of its communist past era that has resulted in ill treatment of its minorities and hostile irredentist behavior towards its neighbors. The FYROM leadership's eerie fascist performance is continuous. Once more this alleged government-supported action is a blatant case of extremely repressive behavior akin to a totalitarian regime as opposed to a country, which aspires to become a member of the European Union and NATO. In any free democratic society, voices such as Mr. Gligorov's cannot and must not be suppressed. When a misfortune such as Mr. Grigorov's, occurs, it becomes the concern of all peace-loving nations on earth. We call upon your Agency and other Human Rights NGOs to investigate the aforementioned case and facilitate the immediate release of Mr. Gligorov from detention. We thank you in advance for your attention and appropriate action on this matter. Sincerely, Nina Gatzoulis, President Maria Hatzinakos, Secretary panmacedonian.info/FYROM%20arrest%20of%20Vasil%20Gligorov%207-9-09.pdf
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 11, 2009 4:57:13 GMT -5
Its unbeliavable what these guys are doing. Its a country moving still with formal commounist methods and propaganda... and still... Americans say nothing
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2009 3:13:35 GMT -5
basil, 1) Yugoslavia never had "real" communism 2) When they had it, we had no problems with YROM
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 13, 2009 5:58:55 GMT -5
Its unbeliavable what these guys are doing. Its a country moving still with formal commounist methods and propaganda... and still... Americans say nothing Vassili, what are they going to say? You think they care ? They have to deal with a whole lot of problems. This is completely on the bottom of their list...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2009 6:13:13 GMT -5
Its unbeliavable what these guys are doing. Its a country moving still with formal commounist methods and propaganda... and still... Americans say nothing Vassili, what are they going to say? You think they care ? They have to deal with a whole lot of problems. This is completely on the bottom of their list... Chalkedon, in which sense is it on the bottom of their list? Their job is to create problems, not solve the ones they created. When reality cries out loud, i wonder why do we have to stick to ancient stereotypes. Jesus, USA created the problem, but it is Tito's fault. FUNKING JESUS CHRIST! The only ones benefiting from their mekedonism are the NON-slav countries. No slav country is fanatical about Alex the great. And history shows that weak slavs = strong germanoids.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 13, 2009 6:25:15 GMT -5
I agree it was a disaster for Yugo to break up. Im also with you regarding the US's role in it. But times change, administrations change and policy does change. Nobody cares about fyrom, or greece's problem with the name. And lastly they dont care about Vasko being detained. All this is for domestic consumption.
Serious countries dont cry...they take action. Something we havnt done for quite a while.. Its no fault but our own in not solving this LONG TIME AGO.
The US just sits back and picks up the broken pieces cuz thats what we keep asking from them...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2009 6:43:44 GMT -5
EU-US wants us to have no commercial relations with our neighbors. By pursuing the "Makedonia" name, they achieve their goal very well. If it was not the name, it would be religion, political system, something else.
I think even the tiny details ARE 100% managed by them. Its a mistake to think that there are left some degrees of freedom for us. We have no freedom.
(and when i say WE i mean the peoples of the balkans)
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 13, 2009 6:54:39 GMT -5
I dont know about that Pyrros...I think they are tired of this row we have between us and fyrom. I mean Greece really threw the brakes on Nato Expansion ;D ( God Im happy for that...) That showed we still have some balls...
but aside from that, nothing terrible happened to us. We still will have our Visa waiver program and we still can play a big part of the balkans future. So I dont understand how we keep saying the evil americans are going to hurt us and so on...
The way i see it...where there is instability in the Balkans... there is opportunities for Greece to become the stabaliser and NOT the USA...
alla to paizoume...
Ama eixame mialo...tha borousame na ekmetalevomaste tin katastasi mesa ta balkania....alla...einai pio efkolo na to riksoume synexia stous allous kai na kathomaste.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2009 7:12:27 GMT -5
Chalkedon, the yugo-destruction package cost them (west) 200 b $. The "make Greece the balkan leader" package cost them (west) about 200 b $ as well.
Even at this difference of 400 b $, non-EU western balkans are still ahead of Greece in many aspects, (maybe all except banking), i believe they have better potential than us.
How is it easy to speak of leading in the balkans, when we have major problems to solve *inside* our boarders. Maybe if we become leaders.... in greece... that would sound more appropriate.
Chalkedon, spend 2-3 days in Belgrade/Novi Sad/Zagreb/Banja Luka/Sarajevo and your whole view of balkans will be fully reversed.
What we can gain from those countries is not ... leadership or investments but to steal simple yet clever ideas of how to make our country better.
They are not the ones who really have the problem. We are.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 13, 2009 7:16:33 GMT -5
" Even at this difference of 400 b $, non-EU western balkans are still ahead of Greece in many aspects, (maybe all except banking), i believe they have better potential than us. How is it easy to speak of leading in the balkans, when we have major problems to solve *inside* our boarders. Maybe if we become leaders.... in greece... that would sound more appropriate. " ^^^ Bingo...bullseye
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 13, 2009 7:21:21 GMT -5
Chalkedon, the yugo-destruction package cost them (west) 200 b $. The "make Greece the balkan leader" package cost them (west) about 200 b $ as well. Even at this difference of 400 b $, non-EU western balkans are still ahead of Greece in many aspects, (maybe all except banking), i believe they have better potential than us. How is it easy to speak of leading in the balkans, when we have major problems to solve *inside* our boarders. Maybe if we become leaders.... in greece... that would sound more appropriate. Chalkedon, spend 2-3 days in Belgrade/Novi Sad/Zagreb/Banja Luka/Sarajevo and your whole view of balkans will be fully reversed. What we can gain from those countries is not ... leadership or investments but to steal simple yet clever ideas of how to make our country better. They are not the ones who really have the problem. We are. I dont doubt what you say about those places...thats exactly my point ! What in the hell are we doing ?! Its not just Belgrad / Sarajevo and other nearby countries...Its even ex-communist countries like Poland...I wont expand further on that
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jul 13, 2009 7:40:31 GMT -5
Poland for the average Greek has an alibi, cause they are catholics, they are close to God (Germany), etc... Same partially for Slovenia/Croatia/Bosnia.... But Serbia? No alibi for Serbia! Those dirty orthodox ever made something? Damn right, they made a lot of things... EVEN NON-western controlled ORTHODOX can make something!!! And they dont want that part of history to be in open sight.
same for FYROM... so they cut the relations and go on with other projects (Iran/China/etc...)
And frankly, its 100% more probable for any neo-liberal athenian to travel to Peru/Bali/Indonesia/China/London/Amsterdam than ..... the "filthy" balkans....
thats the pattern.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 14, 2009 14:40:40 GMT -5
"And frankly, its 100% more probable for any neo-liberal athenian to travel to Peru/Bali/Indonesia/China/London/Amsterdam than ..... the "filthy" balkans.... thats the pattern" ----------------------------------------------------------- there is some true in your worlds.... The trends show the above destinations..
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