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Post by CiKoLa on Jul 17, 2009 3:39:10 GMT -5
Wed, July 15, 2009 The countries involved in the development of the 3,300 km Nabucco pipeline have signed an agreement to facilitate its construction. Austria, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, and Turkey reached an agreement establishing a legal framework for the construction and operation of the pipeline in their respective countries. The Nabucco gas pipeline has been proposed to reduce Europe’s dependence on Russian gas. From 2015, the pipeline is to transport 31 Bcm/a gas from Central Asia via Turkey and Austria, bypassing Russia. The Turkmenistan President and the head of Azerbaijan’s State Oil and Gas Company have said that their respective countries could supply gas for the pipeline. Nord Stream AG has welcomed the agreement stating that investment in infrastructure development needs to be increased if future gas supply gaps in Europe are to be closed. The Nord Stream project also aims to make a significant contribution to counter impending gas supply shortages. From 2012, the Nord Stream pipeline, which is set to pass under the Baltic Sea, will supply approximately 55 Bcm of natural gas to the European gas grid. pipelinesinternational.com/news/nabucco_pipeline_agreement_signed/001737/
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Jul 17, 2009 9:50:17 GMT -5
cough South Dreams cough
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Post by MiG on Jul 17, 2009 10:52:43 GMT -5
This won't do much. Russia is one vast nation with huge amounts of untapped natural resources. They can afford to fight. Even if this pipeline is laid, it won't do much since Russia will still supply Poland, Germany and the likes up north.
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Post by radovic on Jul 17, 2009 13:25:11 GMT -5
This won't do much. Russia is one vast nation with huge amounts of untapped natural resources. They can afford to fight. Even if this pipeline is laid, it won't do much since Russia will still supply Poland, Germany and the likes up north. It won't do much since the EU official policy is that Russian can supply some 25-50% of the pipeline. Plus. Even if Nabucco is buit and south stream isn't, Russia will supply 50%+ of EU's Natural Gas once it's built [the overall NordStream project is so massive would cause Russia to supply 30%+ of NG EU receives if Russia was to decide to shut off the Ukrainian pipelines permananetly]. Also. Chances are if Russia doesn't supply the 25-50% to Nabucco, that amount will be filled likely by Iran. Does this actually serve the EU interests?
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Post by tyson on Jul 17, 2009 21:23:44 GMT -5
i thought this pipe line was going to go through central serbia and then into northern croatia.
this deal doesnt benefit croatia.
i guess serbia decided to not go ahead with it, coz they didnt want to piss off their good friends russia.
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Post by SKORIC on Jul 18, 2009 4:48:37 GMT -5
Dont think it was supposed to go through Serbia? "Pissing off" Russia has nothing to do with anything.
“Serbia wants Nabucco pipeline too” 15 July 2009 | 11:19 | Source: FoNet, Politika BELGRADE -- Srbijagas CEO Dušan Bajatoviæ says that Serbia would agree to negotiations on the Nabucco pipeline project should such an invitation arrive.
“It would not be bad to link up with the Nabucco pipeline as well, even if it isn’t passing through Serbia’s territory, since gas would be arriving from the Caspian Sea and Central Asia via this pipeline,” Bajatoviæ told daily Politika.
He said that “if there is a possibility of receiving gas from different sources, and Serbia and the rest of Europe are in a situation where they can buy at competitive market prices, this in just one more reason to seriously think about these projects.”
“However, it is still not certain whether Nabucco will be able to secure sufficient amounts of gas for Europe, because it is common knowledge that there are problems with finding sufficient amounts of gas in order to make this pipeline attractive for investment, especially in a time of crisis,” the Srbijagas CEO said.
He said that, for now, supplies were guaranteed only from Azerbaijan, which covered only up to one-third of the projected capacity, while large supplies from Turkmenistan and Iran would have to wait for better economic circumstances.
“Serbia’s priorities at this moment in time are South Stream, which, unlike Nabucco, has a reliable source of gas, and the construction of the underground storage facility in Banatski Dvor, which will ensure another route of gas supply and enough fuel in the event of a gas crisis,” Bajatoviæ said.
He said that everything was ready for the signing of an agreement on the founding of a joint company for the construction of Banatski Dvor, adding that the government was expected to rubber-stamp the project by Thursday.
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Post by CiKoLa on Jul 18, 2009 6:59:42 GMT -5
i thought this pipe line was going to go through central serbia and then into northern croatia. this deal doesnt benefit croatia. i guess serbia decided to not go ahead with it, coz they didnt want to piss off their good friends russia. Tyson dont be so short sighted. Of course this benefits Croatia. Why do u think the serbs are na nogama in regarda to this. Hahaha. Srbi se ponadali da ce rusija i njihova politika zavladati balkanom , ostvarivati propalu velikosrpsku ideju i drzati ostale Zemlje bivse drzave po cizmom. Nece nece bogami nece.
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Post by Fender on Jul 18, 2009 11:00:20 GMT -5
Once I viewed the map of the opposing pipelines, its interesting to note that the SouthStream project actually goes theough a small part of Croatia, whereas Nubucco misses completely. Croatia would have more leverage with the Russians than the US.
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Post by radovic on Jul 18, 2009 16:50:36 GMT -5
i thought this pipe line was going to go through central serbia and then into northern croatia. this deal doesnt benefit croatia. i guess serbia decided to not go ahead with it, coz they didnt want to piss off their good friends russia. That was only a possible route, if the route going through Romania and Bulgaria was to not occur. Romania always supported the pipleine going through Romania. Bulgaria was the question. Russia owns most Bulgarian energy companies, South Stream goes througfh Bulgaria and their were doubts Bulgaria would support Nabucco <-- but with the election results in Bulgaria in the parliamentary elections, it is guaranteed it shall go through Bulgaria. The only possible pipelines going to Croatia are a proposed extension of South Stream and the Blue Stream [an oil pipeline].
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Post by radovic on Jul 18, 2009 17:12:55 GMT -5
i thought this pipe line was going to go through central serbia and then into northern croatia. this deal doesnt benefit croatia. i guess serbia decided to not go ahead with it, coz they didnt want to piss off their good friends russia. Tyson dont be so short sighted. Of course this benefits Croatia. Why do u think the serbs are na nogama in regarda to this. Hahaha. Srbi se ponadali da ce rusija i njihova politika zavladati balkanom , ostvarivati propalu velikosrpsku ideju i drzati ostale Zemlje bivse drzave po cizmom. Nece nece bogami nece. Lol. Pickola it doesn't. Since the pipeline benefits Austria and Germany. Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary get transit fees. <-- They will still rely on Russia for gas. Not only that but the map below shows it totally avoids coming close to Croatian territory. The whole part of Serbia wanting to use pipelines to somehow dominate the ex-YU is retarded. Given that the south Stream is essentially meant to serve the same markets as Nabucco, and even more avoids ex-YU markets. Anyways. Skoric's posting doesn't indicate the kneeling of Serbia as imply, it's an official stating an obvious fact [ because of the benefits Nabucco could bring serbia -- i.e. transit fees - - they would be more then happy to participate in the project. It is no different then Croatian and slovenian gas company officvials saying in late 07 that they would have no problem if South Stream chose to go through Croatia or Slovenia <-- a possibility at the time. Also. Your claim is ridicoulosu. Russians are offering 50% more in transit fees per billion cu m then Nabucco and they transport twice as much through South Stream then Nabucco ( 63 billion cu m vs. 31 billion cu m ) <-- also Russians are considering increasing South Stream capacity by 17 billion cu m. Anyways. I don't see why you have too lie so muh. Also, why are you happy? You constantly sprout how pro-US / pro-NATO you are. yet expalin how this helps U.S. / NATO when for Nabucco to occur Iran wil have to supply a signicant portion of the natural gas [ the only other alternative seems to be Arab states advocating that a Gasopec is formed ].
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Post by karabin on Jul 19, 2009 7:09:05 GMT -5
i thought this pipe line was going to go through central serbia and then into northern croatia. this deal doesnt benefit croatia. i guess serbia decided to not go ahead with it, coz they didnt want to piss off their good friends russia. Tyson dont be so short sighted. Of course this benefits Croatia. Why do u think the serbs are na nogama in regarda to this. Hahaha. Srbi se ponadali da ce rusija i njihova politika zavladati balkanom , ostvarivati propalu velikosrpsku ideju i drzati ostale Zemlje bivse drzave po cizmom. Nece nece bogami nece. LOL, can't stop but laugh at Pickola's theories. Hey did you guys know, Serbs wanted to have the russians open up chocolate factories so they could keep the ex-yug countries under their feet. I think a similar plan was being developed for toilet seat products. Amazing these bad, bad serbs. Only god knows what they will think of next.
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