Bozur
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Post by Bozur on Jul 30, 2009 10:14:13 GMT -5
Bulgarian policy towards Macedonia unlikely to change - Macedonian press
Thu, Jul 30 2009 16:12 CET
Minister without portfolio, responsible for Bulgarians abroad, Bozhidar Dimitrov is known for his outspoken views on Macedonian issues. Photo: Yulia Lazarova
Bulgaria's new Prime Minister Boiko Borissov was expected to return the faith of the European Union in the country through continued reforms and a continued fight against corruption and crime, but he was not expected to change the country's policy towards its neighbours, especially towards Macedonia, Macedonian daily Utrinski Vesnik said.
In an analysis called Bulgaria will not change its policy toward Macedonia, the daily said that "despite relations between the two countries at every meeting by Sofia and Skopje representatives being described as good, the fact that Bulgaria does not recognise the Macedonian nation or language, that it does not recognise the Macedonian minority within the country and does not allow the registration of a Macedonian political party - OMO Ilinden - are questions that, over the past decades, time and again, have inflamed the relations between the countries."
Even though Bulgaria was the first country to recognise the independence of the Republic of Macedonia, it has always refused to recognise the existence of a separate Macedonian nation and a separate Macedonian language, arguing that they are subsets of the Bulgarian nation and the Bulgarian language.
"If we add to this the continuous anti-Macedonian campaigns by historians and the media in Bulgaria, supported by the governement, and which is transferred to Macedonian territory through the local, unofficial association of Bulgarians, Radko, which has even led to incidents, it is clear that Borissov, whose government is supported by the smaller nationalist parties, does not calm the relations between the two countries," Bulgarian daily BTA quoted Utrinski Vesnik as saying.
As an illustration of Borissov's attitude towards Macedonia, the daily refered to an interview with Macedonian daily Dnevnik in 2008, when Borissov answered the question what his thoughts were about OMO - Ilinden by saying that he was not interested.
According to Utrinski Vesnik, Borissov's choice of the historian Bozhidar Dimitrov as minister responsible for Bulgarians abroad, showed he did not have the intention to ease the tension between the two countries.
Dimitrov was, according to Utrinski Vesnik, "one of the most vocal denouncers of the Macedonian nation."
Quoting unnamed Macedonian sources, said to be familiar with the relations between the two countries and the situation in Bulgaria, Utrinski Vesnik said that "the arrival of Borissov would not change anything in the international policies of our neighbours." www.sofiaecho.com/2009/07/30/764053_bulgarian-policy-towards-macedonia-unlikely-to-change-macedonian-press
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Post by rusebg on Jul 30, 2009 10:45:32 GMT -5
Good.
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Post by Kassandros on Jul 30, 2009 12:24:57 GMT -5
It should change. It should become a little bit tougher. Follow Greece..
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jul 30, 2009 13:41:52 GMT -5
I agree with basil.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 31, 2009 1:23:14 GMT -5
"Bozhidar Dimitrov"
Yes, l know his progandistic rubbish. Its no secret that Bulgaria wishes to one day reclaim Vardar as her own territory.
"Even though Bulgaria was the first country to recognise the independence of the Republic of Macedonia, it has always refused to recognise the existence of a separate Macedonian nation and a separate Macedonian language, arguing that they are subsets of the Bulgarian nation and the Bulgarian language."
One would have a mental problem to have not realised that it was the only reason why she recognised Vardar in extremely quick fashion in 1992. It sickens me to hear the Bulgari, in illyria, spewing their rubbish and comparing it with serbia's case regarding the montenegrins. The Vardarians were never subsets of the Bulgarian nation, their culture etc....is tied in and linked with serbia. The Vardarians were occupied twice by Bulgarian empires and they even in those periods of occupation never *considered* themselves to be of Bulgar stock!.
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Post by rusebg on Jul 31, 2009 1:51:45 GMT -5
Novi, this beautiful scar on your forehead that came as a result of the cangaroo volley is no excuse to post such crap.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 31, 2009 2:02:24 GMT -5
"Even though Bulgaria was the first country to recognise the independence of the Republic of Macedonia, it has always refused to recognise the existence of a separate Macedonian nation and a separate Macedonian language, arguing that they are subsets of the Bulgarian nation and the Bulgarian language."
So what does this passage really say then?
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Post by rusebg on Jul 31, 2009 3:16:10 GMT -5
It says you are a stunner and that scar makes you even more handsome and attractive.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jul 31, 2009 6:55:09 GMT -5
novi your lack of knowledge is sickening. u are ENICHAR I hope you know it. Your grandpa must be very proud.
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Post by rusebg on Jul 31, 2009 9:05:22 GMT -5
His grandpa is very proud he has such a stunner for a grandson. And a researcher as well. Of cosmic proportions.
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Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 1, 2009 14:22:30 GMT -5
Macedonians never considered temselves as Bulgars. Bulgaria wanted them to feel as Bulgarians, but nope.. shall never happen.
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Post by rusebg on Aug 1, 2009 19:22:47 GMT -5
Rhezus, feel free to go and shoot yourself.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Aug 2, 2009 1:13:09 GMT -5
Macedonians never considered temselves as Bulgars. Bulgaria wanted them to feel as Bulgarians, but nope.. shall never happen. Rhezus, I am really sick of your antibulgarian, proturkish statements. I can not consider you fellow Bulgarian, because you do not act or you do not even consider yourself Bulgarian. That statement again prooves your antibulgarianism and your total lack of knowlegde on fyrom and fyromian people. I am really sorry for you: you have no state except for Sweden maybe. You can not completely identify nor with Bulgaria neighter with Turkey (because you speak Bulgarian, which differs quite alot from Turkish). Please read a little historic sources on fyrom before you start insultung the state in which you are born and which you hate so much! And please start to DIFFERECIATE between BULGAR and BULGARIAN. My 6 years niece can do so, so I expect you do so too.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 2, 2009 7:20:09 GMT -5
"novi your lack of knowledge is sickening. u are ENICHAR I hope you know it. Your grandpa must be very proud."
Dimitrov's knowledge is sickening, not mine, l've read his crap.
Ioan, l ask, do you feel like a steppe Bulgar or a Slav like me?
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Post by ioan on Aug 2, 2009 7:56:56 GMT -5
I feel like a BULGARIAN, south slavic people, who desent from the mixing of 3 groups: Slavs, Bulgars and Thracians. Your family probably used to be BUlgarian too.
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Post by Rhezus on Aug 2, 2009 11:22:04 GMT -5
Haha.. I know very well what is a Bulgar and what is a Bulgarian. Please don't make me laugh, because I've been pointing out that difference for more than 5 years in Illyria forums now. Yes, I have Sweden and I have Bulgaria and that's just great for me. If you have any Turkish in you, talk for yourself, because I have nothing like this.
And the most important, IF.. makedonians felt as bulgarians, they should strive to stick together, be part of its moderland. The facts are telling different story. They never wanted smth like this, never ever. Don't force these ppl to identify themselves as Bulgarians, because they don't feel and don't want to be such! As I said before, you can't tell a Norwegian he is Swedish, just because Norway was part of Swedish kingdom for certain period of time. Insane..
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 2, 2009 23:54:04 GMT -5
Ioan, do you mean that Novis family was Bulgar, or Thracian or one of the seven slavic tribes in Bulgaria, or Severian? At which point do you think they were self identifying as Bulgarians?
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Post by ioan on Aug 3, 2009 3:33:40 GMT -5
After the emergence of the Bulgarian ethnicity, which happened in the beggining of 10 century (the rule of Simeon). Then the mixing of Slavs, Bulgars and Thracians was finalized and the Greeks were refering to the Bulgarians as Bulgarians and sometimes as Moesians. Those people were the forefathers of us, the Bulgarians. According to most sources the Torlakians used to identify as Bulgarians (meaning the south slavic people, result of mixing of Thracians, Slavs and Bulgars) till at least the beginning of the 19 century.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 3, 2009 4:09:40 GMT -5
Most sources? Examples?
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Post by ioan on Aug 3, 2009 4:33:58 GMT -5
The regional names once used by many people in the Torlakian-speaking region was Torlaci and Šopi. The borders in the region frequently shifted before the Ottoman conquest among Byzantine, Bulgarian and Serbian rulers. According to some authors during the Ottoman rule, the majority of native Torlakian Slavic population did not have national consciousness in ethnic sense. Therefore, both, Serbs and Bulgarians, considered local Slavs as part of their own people, while local population was also divided between sympathy for Serbs and Bulgarians. Other authors from the epoch, take a different view and maintain that during the Ottoman rule the inhabitants of Torlakian area had begun to develope predominantly Bulgarian national consciousness. The first known literary monument, influenced by Torlakian dialects is the Manuscript from Temska Monastery from 1762, in which its author, the Monk Kiril Zhivkovich from Pirot, considered his language as: "simple Bulgarian".[1] In the 19th century the region was one of the centres of Bulgarian national revival and was included at a whole in the Bulgarian Exarchate (1870-1878). It was also stipulated the area to be ceded to Bulgaria according to the Constantinople Conference in 1876 and most of it according to the Treaty of San Stefano in 1878. With Ottoman influence ever weakening, the increase of nationalist sentiment in the Balkans in late 19th and early 20th century, and the redrawing of national boundaries after the Treaty of Berlin (1878), the Balkan wars and World War I, the traditional Torlakian-speaking region was split several times between Serbia and Bulgaria. After the the World War II, also an ethnic Macedonian national consciousness arose in the new Socialist Republic of Macedonia. Today, there is no state-sanctioned education in Torlakian language or culture, and the usage of both the language and the regional name Torlaci is gradually vanishing. Torlakian is now seen in Serbia—and to a degree in the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria—as an uneducated and provincial dialect of the dominant language. Also, among the traditional speakers of Torlakian are Slavs of Kosovo and Metohija such as the Muslim Gorani and Catholic Janjevci, as well as Catholic Krasovani from Romania, whose ethnic affiliations are appropriated by neighboring nations. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torlaks
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