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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 10, 2009 16:41:10 GMT -5
Most of the videos I have seen of them, they are no longer speaking Slavic. Most seem Albanianized.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 10, 2009 21:39:05 GMT -5
Thats whats going to end up happening Toski.
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Post by srbobran on Aug 10, 2009 22:59:32 GMT -5
Why are you smiling Kapikulu, I thought you were against assimilating inferior Slavic genes into the Albanian gene pool? Make up your mind, man.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 10, 2009 23:32:10 GMT -5
lol, these people look no diff than any of the other Albs of Kukes, yet they are supposed to be different. I only mention genetics when joking, I dont think I have even mentioned them once. Either way, they are Muslim Slavs who can easily be absorbed into the Albanian ethnos.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 11, 2009 0:54:16 GMT -5
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Post by donnie on Aug 11, 2009 8:22:21 GMT -5
I don't think there's an urgent need to absorb & assimilate the Goranis of Albania, simply because they're so few in numbers and because they don't really have a developed sense of national consciousness other than that of the Albanian one. Namik Dokle is a good example of a rather integrated representative of the Gorani community.
In Kosova it's different; there, besides the Albanian identity, they could also choose the Serbian identity, and some have already. But even there, they're not so numerous; I'd estimate them at around 20,000 people, mostly centered in the region of Gora and Prizren.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 11, 2009 8:30:37 GMT -5
My mother is from Luma, her family fled Albania in 1948 ... now we live in Belgium. We know a large Gorane family here in Bruxelles, and one of my mother's cousin is married with a Gorane. Actually, here in Belgium, only old people speak the "Nasinski" (their language), not the other (they speak only Albanian). But in Gora they still speak Nasinski. I know that Goranis who migrate in Tirana, Durrës ... stop speaking their language. I respektoj Goranët e Shqipëris, por Torbeshët e Kosovës e të Maqedonis hiq vallahi. Ato jan bashku me Serbët e me Maqedonët kundra Shqiptarët. The Torbesh with an Albanian mentality are slowly being assimilated. My cousin's wife, who would be considered a "Torbesh", speaks perfect Albanian along with her brothers and sisters, even though her parents and grandparents speak primarily Macedonian with broken Albanian. However these "Torbesh" that I'm referring to are aware they are Albanian but their native tongue is Macedonian. I can not speak for those "Torbesh" that feel Slavic.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 11, 2009 8:45:41 GMT -5
Look at the Albanian mentality here & compare it to Serbia - the MOST multicultural country in the Balkans. Do you ever hear Serbs talking about trying to assimilate people like the Hungarians, Muslim Slavs, Albanians etc - NO. We don't even try & assimilate the many different slavic groups in Serbia which are very similar to us such as the Rusyns, Slovaks, Ukrainians etc.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 11, 2009 8:52:01 GMT -5
There are no systemic processes of assimilation, most of assimilation is done on the people's own accord. Not to mention the minorities in Albania are represented in government and the Greeks for example even have their own schools in their native tongue.
Multicultural LOL? GTFOH.
BTW, Macedonia is the most multicultural country in the Balkans.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 11, 2009 8:59:23 GMT -5
FYROM has the smallest amount of it's main ethnic group but it is not the most multicultural. It basically has two ethnic groups - Albanians & FYROM slavs. Serbia has the most diversity and Serbs are not much more than 80% of their own population. Serbia is the most multicultural.
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Post by L0gjICK on Aug 11, 2009 9:07:03 GMT -5
Yes, Macedonia two major groups are Albanians and Slavs. But the Slavs can be broken down even further. Some feel Serbian, others feel Bulgarian and the rest feel Macedonian. Then you have toher subgroups such as Bosniaks and Turks, and Macedonia is near 40% Muslim as well. But I guess Serbia does have plenty of the minorities. The Hungarians escaped my mind.
Greece would also be on the top of the list due to the recent immigrants ranging from a Georgian to an Arab.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 11, 2009 9:14:46 GMT -5
Trust me, FYROMians feel neither Serbian nor Bulgarian but as ancient Macedonian decendants of Aleksander the Great. None of them feel Serbian, only close to Serbs through language, music etc - culture.
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Post by luarasi on Aug 11, 2009 9:19:49 GMT -5
Look at the Albanian mentality here & compare it to Serbia - the MOST multicultural country in the Balkans. Do you ever hear Serbs talking about trying to assimilate people like the Hungarians, Muslim Slavs, Albanians etc - NO. We don't even try & assimilate the many different slavic groups in Serbia which are very similar to us such as the Rusyns, Slovaks, Ukrainians etc. No you don't try to assimilate them you have easier way by exterminating them (Boshniaks, Croats and Albanians). If I was you I would kill my self for just being a serb, its a disgrace to a human race. At least have some human dignity and apologize for being a Serb.
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Post by rex362 on Aug 11, 2009 10:10:28 GMT -5
Trust me, FYROMians feel neither Serbian nor Bulgarian but as ancient Macedonian decendants of Aleksander the Great. None of them feel Serbian, only close to Serbs through language, music etc - culture. its not maybe what they feel but more who they cling to as the weather changes ....and they will politically blow whichever way the wind blows ancient macedonian decendants ....HAHAHHHAHAHHAHA
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Post by insomniac on Aug 11, 2009 11:33:12 GMT -5
Serbia multicultural, Slavs ancient macedonians decendants .... i've heard it all now.
Multicultural in exterminating/abusing/ethnic cleansing minorities of Albanians Croats and Hungarians.
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Post by telemaque on Aug 11, 2009 11:36:28 GMT -5
we do not need to assimilate anyone. no need of quantities but we should focus on quality.
Gorant are slavs and let they remain so. since serbs and greek like to say Albanians converted during the ottoman empire, these ones are only the proof that our slavic neighbours did the same...Goranis in Kosova were amongst the most pro-serb (which once again prove it wasn't a religious conflict) despite they are religious.
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Post by donnie on Aug 11, 2009 12:58:28 GMT -5
Some scientists consider that the population of the Luma region was slavic too before, but was albanised later. There surely are some Slavic families that were albanised, but not all the population is of Slavic origin. A lot of Albanian families in this region have their origin in the Mirdita region (read Jovan Cvijic about the Lumjans). And this seems pretty impossible that all the population of Luma is of slavic blood, if this was the case, they would surely be Goranis today, but they aren't. My grand-mother's surname is Bibaj ... from the very Albanian catholic name Bibë ... no way her family is of slavic blood. My mother's surname is Qupi ... and I don't think that it's of slavic origin. I've heard about this too. Yet all the sources that I have seen claiming this only deal with it briefly. None dwelve into details, they just say the transformation from Orthodoxy to Islam and consequently from Slavs to Albanians occured in the 1700s. Perhaps there was some Slav element there which was absorbed into the mainstream Albanian population, but the idea that all of Luma was Slav and from nowhere made a religious and linguistic transition within generations doesn't seem plausible. If this was true then the toponymy wouldn't be so Albanian in character, with place-names like Kukes, Bicaj, Zhur, Arren, Kolsh, Malzi, Terthore, Kalis etc. Even the very name Luma is Albanian. Compare this to Gora with a Slavic population and predominantly Slavic place-names like Shishtavec, Zapod, Topojan, Dragash etc. Not to mention the fact that, as you mentioned, a large segment of Mirdita descends from Luma, like Fandi, and Mirdita is completely free of Slavic influence.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 11, 2009 16:08:39 GMT -5
Goranis have one thing that makes their identity: Islam. Of course they will be more religious than others. Their whole identity relies on Islam.
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Post by Duke John on Aug 11, 2009 22:15:29 GMT -5
Interesting topic,the slavic element of Luma is the villages that are very few around Kukes like Borje and such, they are actually Gorani villages that extend to Luma where Gora and Luma share regional seperation, the last names of Luma like Leka,Lika,Lita,Litaj,Kolgjini,Qejku,Dani, does not sound slavic to me, and yes there is a connection with mirdita and the interesting is that a relative of mine once asked an relative elder from which tribe he descends and he said that he is from tribe Kelmendi and he was from Luma.
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Post by Aris on Aug 12, 2009 15:03:17 GMT -5
I respektoj Goranët e Shqipëris, por Torbeshët e Kosovës e të Maqedonis hiq vallahi. Ato jan bashku me Serbët e me Maqedonët kundra Shqiptarët. But not the Torbesh of Albania ! They are proud of being Albanian !
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