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Post by Kassandros on Sept 23, 2009 3:14:14 GMT -5
..Serbia enter EU against Ducth objections. macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/8330/46/Our southern neighbor installed a diplomatic camouflage by ignoring the Greek-Macedonian dispute (the Greek blockade!) at the same time attempting to resurrect a new institutional dispute (Serbia-Netherlands). Zagreb, through recent comments in their media, truly understands Macedonia’s problems during a two-day review of last week's meeting between the heads of EU diplomats in Brussels. Croatian analysts noted yet another inconsistency regarding the current blockades in the accession process of member states to the Union. While Zagreb still welcomed its own de-blocking from Slovenia, and Skopje diplomatic circles are reassessing whether Macedonia was left alone or not, the Greeks with their daily machine of endless hypocrisy injected new confusions and Trojan horses in the already confused European Union. The Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis, as noted by Croatian media, without mentioning the Greek-Macedonian dispute (or the Turkish – Cypriot) sought to present her country as a ‘mediator/helper’ between Serbia and the Netherlands as the Balkan state attempts to become a member of the European community. In her remark, says Croatian media, Ms Bakoyannis welcomed the Slovenian-Croatian solving of their dispute expressing hope that a solution will be found for Serbia in their EU quest while calling on the Dutch Government to review its 'rigid and unsavory' position and allow Serbia in the European family. - Every time we have a discussion with our Dutch colleagues, our intent is to explain that Serbia is a very important member which must get closer to the EU. Obstacles and blockades can only be anachronistic in European politics. We expect the Dutch parliament will soon change its position – said Dora Bakoyannis in Brussels, which last week was the host to EU diplomatic officials who’ve gathered for a two-day meeting - says the Croatian Radio of Deutsche Welle. In this context, is indicative that the Greeks are attempting to manipulate the EU, ignore the numerous problems they have created (Greek-Macedonian dispute) and try to create a new institutional dispute (Serbia-Netherlands), despite the still existing (Cyprus-Turkey dispute), who is also politically wise to exclude. Thus the Greeks implicitly avoid, or try to avoid its involvement in two blockades of access processes, and promote a third dispute, that between Serbia and the Netherlands. This is a result of Greece's desire to be seen as a positive force in the region, while in reality analysts claim Athens is more destabilizing than Kosovo. As a reminder, the Serbian diplomacy has announced to the Swedish minister Carl Bildt that the Balkan country would formally submit its request for an EU candidate status by the end of the year. Netherlands has requested Serbia hand over war criminal Ratko Mladic to the Hague. Greece, after the huge battle it gave for the admission of Bulgaria in EU, now follows the same path for Serbia. If that succeeds then all the Greek efforts will go for the admission of Albania in EU. That is what Greece is doing in the region... and that is called from Macedonia.. "Athens is more destabilizing than Kosovo"
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 23, 2009 4:24:47 GMT -5
I found this confusing as well Basil.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 23, 2009 4:55:10 GMT -5
Europe owes Serbia's after what they've done in the two last decades...
And how the hell can a country like Macedonia wants to be part of EU...what do they thing...?? They can unite with Bulgaria if they want and become a member right now... ;D
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 23, 2009 6:54:06 GMT -5
I found this confusing as well Basil. What do you find confusing? Dutchs object Serbia's bid in EU.. due to the search of 1 person. Greece objects Macedonia's bin in EU .. due to nationalistic policies, Irredentist policies over their neighbors and Identity Theft crimes. Is is the same? What Dutch would do if Serbia was claiming half Holland?
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 23, 2009 7:17:40 GMT -5
I thinks he means that he finds the last paragraph confusing...and trully is a masterpiece of Macedonian paranoia...
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 23, 2009 13:51:34 GMT -5
The problem Ioan is not what we believe... but what some power... want.... to believe Havent I told you the example of US officials (to be more precise.. it was a comittee from US "For the Human rights bla bla or something like that).. coming in our villages!... and asking if we feel a "suppressed Macedonian minority in Greece"? You cant imagine how disaponted they were when we said 100% NO!... it was like someone stubbed their mother..
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Post by ioan on Sept 23, 2009 13:54:29 GMT -5
I misread the article and read that Greece didnt support Bulgaria which deffinately wasnt true.
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Post by macmako on Sept 23, 2009 18:55:56 GMT -5
Really? Please elaborate on this so I may understand. An official unbiased link would be great, too.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 23, 2009 22:17:51 GMT -5
"I thinks he means that he finds the last paragraph confusing...and trully is a masterpiece of fyromian paranoia..."
Exactly what l meant.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 24, 2009 3:45:44 GMT -5
The problem Ioan is not what we believe... but what some power... want.... to believe Havent I told you the example of US officials (to be more precise.. it was a comittee from US "For the Human rights bla bla or something like that).. coming in our villages!... and asking if we feel a "suppressed Macedonian minority in Greece"? You cant imagine how disaponted they were when we said 100% NO!... it was like someone stubbed their mother.. WHAT!!! I thought the yanks were smarter than that. Acting with proxies, hidden behind local NGO's, but this .... this is hilarious! I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans were asking those questions in .... Pontian villages, to people with Lyras and dancing Pyrixeios!! LMAO Anyway, in Balkans after 1800 and till today every nation has kicked a lot of butts and also had his own butt kicked as well many times. Time to start building REAL relations and develop our TRUE economies.
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 25, 2009 13:55:39 GMT -5
Really? Please elaborate on this so I may understand. An official unbiased link would be great, too. official link... from my village? Are you kidding me?
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Post by Kassandros on Sept 25, 2009 14:12:28 GMT -5
The problem Ioan is not what we believe... but what some power... want.... to believe Havent I told you the example of US officials (to be more precise.. it was a comittee from US "For the Human rights bla bla or something like that).. coming in our villages!... and asking if we feel a "suppressed Macedonian minority in Greece"? You cant imagine how disaponted they were when we said 100% NO!... it was like someone stubbed their mother.. WHAT!!! I thought the yanks were smarter than that. Acting with proxies, hidden behind local NGO's, but this .... this is hilarious! I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans were asking those questions in .... Pontian villages, to people with Lyras and dancing Pyrixeios!! LMAO Yeap! They never told the villagers they're US officials.. but... all of them had American accent, all of them were working for a Human right organization among the 1000 that exist.. and all of them were in a car with diplomatic plates from the ... American Embassy I went in my village a week after they came and I was told that story from the other there. The "visitors" were extremely friendly and they were buying coffee to everybody in cafeneio and they were talking with everybody either in English or in bad Greek with American accent. All their questions were about "suppression" and stuff like that. After 2-3 hours of interviewing almost everybody in the cafeneio... the villagers isolated them and stoped talking to them. That "friendly atmosphere" was destroyed.. they got into their car with a sad feeling.. and they left. Most propably.. for a different area so they could find at least on "suppressed" Macedonian in Eastern Macedonia ;D ;D Later we start dealing with that incidident.. and we found out that they had done the same thing some decades ago in Crete and in Vlach villages in Central Greece. In Crete, the villagers start marching to the American military base of Suda with torches in their hands .. and the guards of the base forced to shoot in the air when rioters came just in front of the barriers. The Vlachs reacted in a different way An old guy started waving his "magoura" threating to give a thwack to the US representative unless he gets into his car and leave the village! ;D ;D Also they had done the same some decades ago also in Sicely.. promoting the indepedence of Sicely! ;D ;D ;D I have to accept.. that in my village.. the reaction was the most civilized one! ;D They just stoped talking to them and not accepting any more free coffees.. ;D ;D These are the Americans dude. They wait to find a small crack in the state net.. and they try to make it a deep and huge hole... so as somebody will call them for help. In Greece they failed... let alone now.. that Greece is into EU.. they dont have even one chance.
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 18:23:32 GMT -5
I didn't think so.
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 18:35:34 GMT -5
"The Human Rights Watch report on Greece of 1994 "Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece" states that although ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece make up a large minority with their own language and culture, their internationally recognized human rights and even their existence are vigorously denied by the Greek government. Free expression is restricted; several Macedonians have been persecuted and convicted for their peaceful expression of their views. Moreover, ethnic Macedonians are discriminated against by the government's failure to permit the teaching of the Macedonian language. And ethnic Macedonians, particularly rights activists, are harassed by the government - followed and threatened by the security forces - and subjected to economic and social pressure resulting from this harassment. All of these actions have led to a marked climate of fear in which a large number of ethnic Macedonians are reluctant to assert their Macedonian identity or to express their views openly." www.swisspeace.ch/typo3/fileadmin/user_upload/pdf/FAST/CRA/2007/Macedonien__1_.pdf
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 18:41:41 GMT -5
"In Vardar Macedonia, Serbian was instituted as official language, but there was far less repression against the local population than against Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia. Many Macedonians were forced to flee Greece to Bulgaria or Serbia, or were exchanged with native Greeks from Bulgaria under a population exchange treaty in the 1920s. The remaining population was subjected to restrictions on movement, cultural activities and political rights. According to the Carnegie Commission, more than 170 villages with over 17,000 houses were burnt to ground by the Greek Army at that time. Hence, a second wave of migration of Macedonians was mostly to Canada, Australia, USA and Eastern Europe. A change of place and personal names to Greek names was also enforced. Some efforts to improve the situation, as reported by Human Rights Watch / Helsinki in “Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece”, New York, 1994, took place when in 1920, upon signing the Treaty of Sevres, the Greek government had to publish a children’s textbook entitled "ABECEDAR" intended for the "Slav-speaking minority" in Greek Macedonia to learn their native language at school, However, fears of a revival of the “Macedonian cause” by both Greek nationalists and their Serbian and Bulgarian neighbors prompted the Greek government to confiscate and destroy the ABECEDAR before it reached the ethnic Macedonian children." www.swisspeace.ch/typo3/fileadmin/user_upload/pdf/FAST/CRA/2007/Macedonien__1_.pdf
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 20:12:43 GMT -5
"IMRO organized the Ilinden uprising for national liberation of Macedonia in 1903, which European diplomats referred to as "The Macedonian revolution". At that time the European powers were against the creation of a new state in the Balkans and did not support it. However, they proposed several projects for reforms among which were the Austro-Hungarian - Russian project known as the Murzsteg Reforms Programme and the British initiative that gave Macedonia a special status in its natural and ethnic borders. US diplomacy also became involved. The secretary of state and president T. Roosevelt himself wrote to the British government supporting the British initiative for the autonomy of Macedonia." www.swisspeace.ch/typo3/fileadmin/user_upload/pdf/FAST/CRA/2007/Macedonien__1_.pdf
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 25, 2009 20:24:43 GMT -5
Ilinden uprising was a Bulgarian up rising. Bulgarians who were self identifying them self's as being Bulgarians from the geographical region of Macedonia hence Macedono-Bulgarian; Origins and goals
The organization was founded in 1893 in Ottoman Thessaloniki by a small band of anti-Ottoman Macedono-Bulgarian revolutionaries, who considered Macedonia an indivisible territory and claimed all of its inhabitants "Macedonians", no matter their religion or ethnicity.[3] Although in practice their followers were primarily of Bulgarian origins.[4] The organization was a secret revolutionary society operating in the late 19th and early 20th centuries with the goal of autonomous Macedonia and Adrianople regions.[5] It is claimed that at the early stages of the struggle, a desired outcome of the autonomy was unification with Bulgaria.[6][7][8] This aim was changed later with the idea of transforming the Balkans into a federal state, in which Macedonia and Thrace would enter as a equal members.[9][10][11] The idea of autonomy was strictly political and did not imply a secession from Bulgarian ethnicity.[12] Even those, who advocated for independent Macedonia and Thrace, never doubted the predominantly Bulgarian character of the Slavic population in both areas.[13] The organization was founded by Hristo Tatarchev, Dame Gruev, Petar Pop-Arsov, Andon Dimitrov, Hristo Batandzhiev and Ivan Hadzhinikolov. Most of them (with exceptinon of Ivan Hadzhinikolov) were closely connected with the Bulgarian Men's High School of Thessaloniki. Its first name after Hristo Tatarchev's "Memoirs" was Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (MRO). Ivan Hadzhinikolov in his memoirs underlines the five basic principles of the MRO's foundation:This Macedonian ethnos ever being an ethnic one is a myth. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Macedonian_Revolutionary_Organization.
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 20:36:05 GMT -5
What does your type of Greek know about these things? Your input has been duly noted, but you have no idea except for what you support, which is anything against ethnic Macedonians in Greece. Blind conformity at its best but that is what you are good at. Wikipedia as a source? Give me a break!!
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Post by Arxileas on Sept 25, 2009 20:41:14 GMT -5
If anyone denies Ilinden uprising was a Bulgarian up rising, then the they cannot read Ilinden uprising manifesto. because it was written in Bulgarian. Maybe this will cool of that lion instincts ;D ;D .
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Post by macmako on Sept 25, 2009 20:56:22 GMT -5
Dude, nice smelling after shave. Its Russian and I found it there. I could not find it in USA. You know where I can get some?
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