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Post by leshte on Jun 27, 2009 21:13:00 GMT -5
Donnie... really now; do I look like a guy that would like to be loved by an "Albanian" with Turkik heritage? ;D ;D
Come on.. give me a break.... I usually exchange posts and have conversations with average Albanians.. you know... Christians, educated and Europeans. The Asian part of your culture and that heritage does not interest me as you have seen... and far more.... the last thing I want is bridges between Hellenes and Asians north of us. Keep posting to your clan... and let me speak with my clan. The European one.
Insalah and Allah ak bar.... Basil, so many wrong notions and perceptions there. Especially those regarding religious stuff. I don't know if its because of your naivety towards us for the lack of exposure or because this is what you read and what you're told. One thing that might get you in trouble in Albania is talking too much about religion. As a Christian if I had someone talk too much about Christianity and religion in general I'd kick them out of my house. There is a limit to how much religion is healthy. Personally I believe organized religion is a bunch of BS but that's another matter. Anyway some food for your thought; the fist bible in Albanian was translated with the money the Muslims collected. You have a lot to learn about us.
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Post by donnie on Jun 27, 2009 21:29:14 GMT -5
That's the thing with some of these Orthodox equivalents of Muslim Wahabis. They think they're so right, when really they're just mindless bigots with no sense of tolerance. They don't understand our way of life, our respect for our fellow brother's religion. How could they? The "Turks" massacred en masse in Peloponessus and elsewhere were nothing but local converts who were not given the same freedom as they had previously given the Christians (the Orthodox Church in particular enjoyed a great autonomy).
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:35:07 GMT -5
Believe me.. .I'm not among the ones who are religious. I go to church for 1 hour in Christmas and 1 hour in Eastern. Not the typical religous person I believe.. But... in one way or another... religion brings additionaly many stuff together like attitude, way of seeing life, behavior etc etc. Different groups of people with different way of leaving. Now... look at the posts of... Zoti, worldpeace, Toskali, babaliu etc etc. Look also the posts of Christian Albanians even if they hate Greeks too in order to proove themselves to the above Turkalbanians. Am I the only one that sees a different way of ... "expression" between these 2 groups? Its like talking with 2 different nations. The uneducated and primitive one..... and an educated one (regardless what their views are). Am I the only one that can see that Christian Albanians... are more... lets say... civilized people?
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Post by donnie on Jun 27, 2009 21:42:30 GMT -5
There's nothing uneducated or primitive with Toskali or Ngadhi or any other of those you mentioned. Their distaste for Greek racism and attempts of control does not make them anything of the above mentioned, regardless of how much you wish to believe so and how much you repeat yourself. Additionally, the contempt for Greeks is not perfectly cut along religious lines, as religion has ceased to play an important role in our country a long time ago. Rather the same attitude is found among all ... Shpata, a former member as Kanaris and Kastorianos can testify to, was an Orthodox, and his contempt for anything Greek related makes Toskali and Ngadhi look like amateurs.
PS You don't have to be a regular Church attendant to be an extremist or a bigot. The century long developed hatred, mistrust and fear of anything that isn't Greek Orthodox has been inherited by you as well, as you so blatantly display in these forums.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:53:56 GMT -5
Donnie... the most common posts of Turkalbanians are containg the words "kill", "f**k", "blood", "gay", "exterminate minority" etc etc etc. Come on.. dont tell me its a common thing among Greeks or any other christian and European member of these forums... it shows clearly who is what. I dont know each ones religion... i just guess it from the primitive posts....
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 21:56:55 GMT -5
look at you! In a conversation that you dont like... look at your comments just some minutes ago You're a Muslim.. dont you? I dont need to be God to see that...
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Post by leshte on Jun 27, 2009 22:11:53 GMT -5
Basil I curse all the time. What does religion have to do with cursing? I said GAYreek earlier. I say fvck all the time. Some of those curses like GAYreek are nothing but provocations; mine was aimed at Kanaris for typing without thinking.
Having said that; hit the Serb forum. You will see kill, bomb, ethnically cleanse, blood, exterminate minority, in every single thread. They're Christians by the way. You are seeing things a certain way because you want to see them that way. As someone who is on the christian doctrine side (whatever that means since as I told your earlier for me organized religion is BS) I can tell you that Albanian Muslims are among the most tolerant people in the world. As a matter of fact here's the shocker. Since half of my family is muslim; and half of my extended family is muslim also I can tell you that there is no difference between us. No difference whatsoever. Religion unlike many of you is something we individually chose. In Albania's case majority of us has chosen to make religion irrelevant. Hence Christians and Muslims are so tolerant in religious issues. I use the terms Muslim and Christians loosely, as for the majority of people in Albania they have no meaning and are simply place holders.
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Post by Kassandros on Jun 27, 2009 22:22:54 GMT -5
Kanaris insulted you or someone.. I dont remember. It was an answer to an insult. The case that I talk about... are during a good converstation... with good arguments even from both sides... and suddenly.. out of a sudden... an "Albanian" gets in and starts cursing.. By chance... this "Albanian"... is always a Turkalbanian one It cant be chance...
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 27, 2009 22:43:50 GMT -5
You Albos still don't get it.... Some of you are bathed in vulgarity ... I have seen 14 year olds here use language that made me skin crawl... it gives me an indication of your parents and your upbringing... Then again we got Bato... and Illiridani... outstanding gentlemen... as many that past from here only to be chased out by some of the lowlifes that have passed and crapped on these forums.
Shpata was a nice guy but took things too seriously... and suffered a meltdown.... I mean Donnie has been through some funny chit here with some people ..but he always manages to regain his composure.... some of you take it to the extreme... and love provoking ....
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Post by redbaron on Jun 27, 2009 23:01:40 GMT -5
some of you take it to the extreme... and love provoking .... Lmao you are a master provocateur yourself Kane. If you don't notice it or don't like to notice it i will make sure to remind you. Some of you are bathed in vulgarity ... I have seen 14 year olds here use language that made me skin crawl... it gives me an indication of your parents and your upbringing..
What do you think of the greek parents of the greek posters(hopefully you still have a good memory to remember some of the greek jewells posted in this forum)?
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 27, 2009 23:05:30 GMT -5
I haven't seen one of those kids.... use vulgar language...not one..provoke yes....I agree with you.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jun 28, 2009 0:56:06 GMT -5
Ska gje se kam blere nje rrip te ri. I kam lidhur fort pantollonat. ;D Forget about the belt, I suggest breke hekuri me dryn.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 5:04:20 GMT -5
The "Turks" massacred en masse in Peloponessus and elsewhere were nothing but local converts who were not given the same freedom as they had previously given the Christians (the Orthodox Church in particular enjoyed a great autonomy). Many were deported by ships given by the Greek "government"... but those who were massecred...were...because they were in the wrong place...and who ever is, with wrong intention in the wrong place(Morias)...being Turk,Alvanos,Italian, German, Mongol, Alaskan is not welcomed... Morias is a sacred place...
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Post by Aris on Jun 28, 2009 10:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 10:45:00 GMT -5
I thought Himara wasn't considered minority zone... ;D (What's wrong with this little town...a whole state can't handle with them? ;D)
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 28, 2009 10:47:18 GMT -5
Btw thats how gypsies look in Albania..? He's the first guy... ;D
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Post by leshte on Jun 28, 2009 13:19:48 GMT -5
Handle them? Hmm last time I checked ten guys from Vlora caused a lot of panic on your lil b!tch Bollano. They had to b!tch to the internationals.
You guys need to go up there on vacation cuz you talk to much $hit without knowing how things are. The only reason Bollano was elected is because PD and PS steal votes to each other by havig each one candidate. Not only that but third parties such as PR and LSI didn't even place a candidate here; so the fifth guy wins. Last time PD and PS came with a single candidate there; they won about 80% of the vote. When they find common language your lil $hit stirrer ends up being arrested and nobody gives a $hit about it.
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Post by Pejoni on Jun 28, 2009 17:33:10 GMT -5
What happend to that Bollano guy?
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Post by leshte on Jun 28, 2009 18:46:45 GMT -5
He got arrested sometime ago for taking down road signs that were in the Albanian language from what I remember.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Jun 28, 2009 23:59:55 GMT -5
As I said in the Greek section, he was also sacked from his party,
from the first votes counted seems like PBDNJ has lost 3 seats and is thus confined to just one
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