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Post by filomen on May 4, 2009 4:41:21 GMT -5
Kastorianos I know your anti turk opinion but in the scolars atitude its known as otoman architetures.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 4, 2009 4:45:17 GMT -5
Give me sources.
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Post by filomen on May 4, 2009 4:47:28 GMT -5
Y must understand that im in work now but I have to find them, but as I remeber its named Otoman arch.
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Post by chalkedon on May 4, 2009 8:23:38 GMT -5
Very nice pics ! But for God's sake...get rid of the goddamn coke bottle on pic 7 ! ;D Capitalist bastards...they advertise everywhere oh..and for those that love turkish architecture...here you go. ottomans know architiecture from the byzantines. Most of their architects were Greek and or Armenian. See Sinan.. And stop being so anti-greek by not admitting the obvious...
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 4, 2009 10:26:06 GMT -5
most Ottoman architechture was stolen from other cultures (Arabs, etc) so theyre no such thing as "Turk" or "Ottoman" theyre a dirty mixture of everything, mostly Mongolian. ps: pse ti filomen skuraniku qenkerke pro turk ee? flm per keto foto njesh, pe Berati je ti o? Lol the 8th pic with the travel agency sign was interesting too ;D the cobblestone streets remind me of Korca, very nice Berati.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 10:29:50 GMT -5
lol ottoman architecture...did you take drugs? When the Turks arrived in Asia Minor they knew how to pitch a tent but they surely didnt know how to built such houses. Its clearly ante-ottoman architecture. When the Ottomans arrived in Asia Minor they had taken in influence from Persia and China. Now stop destroying topics with your bias and racism.
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Post by Patrinos on May 4, 2009 10:39:58 GMT -5
Of course its turkish...can't you see the continuity: I don't say that "pure Greek" but lets say it, oriental influenced balkan architecture...
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 10:48:59 GMT -5
You can see the same kind of architecture in Morocco and Algeria. Its Ottoman era architecture.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on May 4, 2009 11:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on May 4, 2009 11:45:23 GMT -5
lol, sorry how could I dare to touch your Turks......but its still no Turkish architecture, whether you like it or not.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 12:24:18 GMT -5
Ottoman =/ Turkish Turks were one part of the the Ottoman, an important part but not the only one. Ottoman was any Muslim or any person who contributed to the unity of the Osmanlilik. Be it Albanian, Turk, Bosnian, Serb, Croatian, Greek, Armenian, Kurd, Arab, Persian, Georgian, Pomak etc. etc. And yes, Sinan was an Ottoman as well, whatever his origin. Berat is a well preserved example of an Ottoman town:
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Post by Kastorianos on May 4, 2009 12:37:25 GMT -5
in your dreams only. Houses in this corner of Europe do often look like that...Kastoria's old town that was already in ottoman times only Greek peopled is full of them as well...and they stand next to byzantine churches of the middle age. And this architecture can be found everywhere in the southern Balkans from the Adriatic Sea of Albania till Konstantinople. Its a native Balkan element...the Ottomans were not as civilized as someone has to be in order to invent such architecture. They just liked...prefered... finally absorbed....and continued it.
I pretty much believe it has to be of byzantine origin because the Greek houses of Konstantinople and everywhere else in todays Turkey always looked like that. And why should a rich Greek of Kastoria build his archontiko (villa) in a supposed turkish style...under Ottoman rule...that doesnt make sense at all...
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Post by Patrinos on May 4, 2009 12:38:14 GMT -5
Budala arnavud ex-giaour! Did the islamised new Ottomans cut their... ;D...sunet...
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 12:47:05 GMT -5
Its not a purely native Balkan because this same architecture can be found as far as Fez, Morocco and Cairo, Egypt. It doesnt matter who populated an area, they were still Ottoman influenced. 300 years ago Greeks in Istanbul dressed like the Muslims, along with Jews. Kastoria is today more an ex-Ottoman city than a Byzantine one, since people modeled their style after the prevalent one in Istanbul at the time. A wealthy Kastorian would have been extremely influenced by the Turks, even if he didnt like them. Especially as most old Byzantine houses were torn down over time and built over them. Plus if you ever go inside these homes today you will note that they are not designed for chairs. This is a very very oriental Islamic thing. They have very very low ceilings made of ornate wood. Thats Islamic influence.
And todays Greek houses in Istanbul (Aka Islam Bol, meaning "Full of Islam", "Plenty of Islam") were not from the Byzantine era. There are relatively no spots in Istanbul today, outside of the converted churches, that are actually from a Byzantine period. The houses were mostly rebuilt over the centuries following the conquest in 1453. Nevermind that Sultan Mehmed II did a complete restructuring of the city following his conquest.
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Post by leshte on May 4, 2009 12:47:30 GMT -5
UNESCO says its Ottoman architecture, but then I forgot everything in this world is greek, starting from Bakllava.
Patrinos you are real greek, being interested on how are d!cks look is proof of your greekness. ;D
O no I didn't. LOL. LOL
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Post by Kassandros on May 4, 2009 12:56:18 GMT -5
Toskali you're confused. Because it is spread all over former Ottoman territory... doesnt mean its Turkish architecture. I told you in my post previously that it can be met all over Balkans.. These architecture is the typical Macedonian and it can be met even in my village where there were no Muslim citizens! Because Macedonia was in the center of European Ottoman territory.. and because people were all some kind of subjects.. it was spread all around Macedonia. Come... look at the houses... could Turks citizens have built these houses? They're known for the hans... By the way.. the Bulgarian house in the photo is THE perfect example!
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 13:00:24 GMT -5
According to UNESCO and any European group that visits the territory, it is Ottoman. What you say is meaningless. Now all you Kaurs need to stop destroying this beautiful Ottoman Berat topic.
Yes... they could... and did... look at the pics.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 4, 2009 13:02:12 GMT -5
First of all I have never seen such houses among Arabs, secondly Kastoria is clearly more byzantine than ottoman although the byzantine era lies far more time back, thirdly just because sth is built under ottoman rule it doesnt mean its architecture is ottoman. Following your logic all churches that were built after the 15. century must had been of ottoman architecture as well. And fourthly dont be too hasty with declaring sth as typical ottoman since its very well proved that they had adopted lots of things from the Byzantines that are seen today as "typical turkish" or "typical oriental", among others but one of the most familiar examples is the crescent...
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 4, 2009 13:10:50 GMT -5
The Ottoman architecture of the Balkans has a style somewhat different from the one Egypt, but the overall style (ornate portruding wooden structures) remains the same. And no, the churches cant be considered such because they were being modeled on by the Orthodox, meaning the Christians were actively trying to immitate the Byzantine styles. The Ottomans brought with them significantly different styles. The interior of the houses looks like any house in the Islamic world.
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Post by insomniac on May 4, 2009 13:15:16 GMT -5
I guess when people think of Islamic architecture, they think of mud huts....
Ottoman or Byzantine, these houses should be preserved. Both empires are long dead and influenced each other.
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