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Post by todhrimencuri on May 14, 2009 15:58:04 GMT -5
- Most eastern Europeans either completely hate Albanians/Albania (Serbia, Russia, Slovakia) or just dont like us (Romania and Bulgaria). In fact nearly all who are Orthodox Christians hate Albs absolutely. - Im not European, I couldnt care less about what problems Europe has. Neither should Albs, since we are a Muslim people on the whole (Kosova and part of Macedonia included). - I bet in most parts of Albania a Gorani would have an easier time being accepted as an Alb than an Orthodox kaur. - Islam and the Islamic world population is on the rise, while Orthodox Christians are suffering a near nigh universal population drop (includes Albanian Orthodox population, that is, those who havnt left the country already).
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 14, 2009 15:59:49 GMT -5
Orthodox Albanians will do no such thing. we dont care if Muslim Albs like us or not, we dont even care if Catholic Albs like us, thats your problem not ours. i think you secretely wish for these things to happen when theyre not. and i dont think Anastas has done anything wrong as head of church, even if he has, no wher near what Albanian leaders have done to drag Albania down. you suffer from a sheep mentality, you think everyones out to hellenize you, dont flatter yourself, the last thing Greece wants is more Albanians (or Turks in your case) in Greece. its very much your problem, because Albanians are majority Muslim, and if they begin to not accept Orthodox Christians, you will become displaced from society just like Lebanese Christians, 3/4 of whom today live outside of Lebanon. And Im not concerned over any "Hellenization", you made it quite clear that I, "a Turk", would not be welcomed. I just want to see people prove their ethnicity. And me being a "Turk" still makes me more Albanian than what your faith makes you "a grekofil muti", sepse Shqiptaret dhe Turqet jan vllezer . And ther Pederpappa has done plenty wrong by simply being the ethnicity he is. He was born wrong for the job and you guys taking him in shows just how unAlbanian you guys are. well you say you are majoring in Ancient Greek and youre always bragging about Greek songs in your ipod. i believe thats the perfect defitnion of a "grekofil" or a phillhellene. i didnt chose to be born an Orthodox Christian, you chose those things
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 14, 2009 16:02:50 GMT -5
there are also many who like him...be patient...in some years he will die...and then you will realize that all your anger was in vain. You guys are so fast and good at hating...but dont want to be hated on the other hand... If he dies on Alb land he will be beatified in Albania and will become an "Albanian saint" and will also receive veneration out of the fact that he will become a saint. It will be more senseless veneration, like in the case of Kosmas Aiatolos and St. Jovan Vladimir, by an ignorant Christian peasant minded population who will turn enemies into gods. If he starts the die, the best thing the Alb govt could do is sent him out of Albania and let him die in Greece or something.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 14, 2009 16:03:18 GMT -5
pwned!
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 14, 2009 16:04:26 GMT -5
- Most eastern Europeans either completely hate Albanians/Albania (Serbia, Russia, Slovakia) or just dont like us (Romania and Bulgaria). In fact nearly all who are Orthodox Christians hate Albs absolutely. - Im not European, I couldnt care less about what problems Europe has. Neither should Albs, since we are a Muslim people on the whole (Kosova and part of Macedonia included). - I bet in most parts of Albania a Gorani would have an easier time being accepted as an Alb than an Orthodox kaur. - Islam and the Islamic world population is on the rise, while Orthodox Christians are suffering a near nigh universal population drop (includes Albanian Orthodox population, that is, those who havnt left the country already). Albania is in Europe geographically, you can be an alien if you want, Albania is still in Europe. and i have met Russians who think Albanians are the coolest thing since vodka, so i dont know what youre talking about there either. Lol you are so lost, chill, u think everyones out to get you, no one hates you, youre not worthy of anyone's hate.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 14, 2009 16:05:40 GMT -5
Korcar, I have Bulgarian, Gypsy, Serbian and Bosnian songs in my Ipod aswell. Along with Iranian, Arabic and Afghan. Greek music is just a small part of a larger list. If a sound is pleasing to my ears, I wont deny it because of the ethnic background of the musician. That is senseless...
And you need to stop bringing up the personal. If you must know, my focus is on the late antique Roman imperial era.
Albania may be in Europe, but we are culturally closer to Turks, Pomaks, Bosnians and Gorani than we are to French, Germans, Brits and Swedes.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 14, 2009 16:06:19 GMT -5
how about throwing him in the fire (still alive of course) and then his ashes to the shkumbin river? Oh no, I mean the canalization of Tirana of course...
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 14, 2009 16:06:39 GMT -5
Just read how many articles are published daily against Jannulatos and the decision of Albs to keep him. Its very much a fact that most Albs (non-Orthodox, and I know many Orthodox as well who dont want him out of pure inat against Greeks) do not want Yannulatos. The very presence of a such a Greek in Albania angers many, particularly Muslim Albs, who feel like they get confirmation for the believe that orthodox albs are not true to their ethnicity. Nikolla Marku's day will come megjithese spiuneve e Grekeve i kane shtrire kthetrat gjithandej po do ju vije dita edhe atyre. Tne real test will come when Janullatos passes away. If another Greek gets the post it'll be the end.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 14, 2009 16:09:03 GMT -5
indeed very interesting period. Also in judicial senses. The Romans had anyway a very admirable legal system. A basis till today.
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Post by todhrimencuri on May 14, 2009 16:13:44 GMT -5
Judicial issues are part of my interest. I am mostly concerned with the issue of non-Romans within the Roman world and the aspects of social influence of Rome on it, and conceptualizations of this position. For instance the Roman era saw a greater level of liberalization for women in Greece. Originally they were not allowed to buy or sell more than a bushel of grain, but the Roman law allowed them to own property, divorce easier, etc. etc. Im working on a Undergrad thesis paper next semester that deals how and where various peoples in the empire find themselves after they are conquered. My chief sources are post-Roman conquest Greek writers.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 14, 2009 16:17:55 GMT -5
how about throwing him in the fire (still alive of course) and then his ashes to the shkumbin river? Oh no, I mean the canalization of Tirana of course... If we did that we'd never hear the end of it from your lot. I say the best way from him to pass away is in his motherland not mine.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 14, 2009 16:21:58 GMT -5
Interesting. In the last semester a professor made a seminar about this topic. It was called
"Heiraten, Erben, Investieren – Frauen im Rechts- und Geschäftsleben der antiken Welt"
Marrying, succeeding, investing- women in the legal and business life of the ancient world.
And as I know there were many Greek sources as well because the advance notice required knowledge of latin and Greek. Unfortunately I didnt attend it...had to do other subjects. I love ancient history of law...especially everything about roman law. Im attending a seminar about infamia and ignominia in Roman law this semester. One of my term papers will be about it.
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Post by Kastorianos on May 14, 2009 16:24:24 GMT -5
ok.
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Post by Alb_Korcar on May 14, 2009 16:25:27 GMT -5
Korcar, I have Bulgarian, Gypsy, Serbian and Bosnian songs in my Ipod aswell. Along with Iranian, Arabic and Afghan. Greek music is just a small part of a larger list. If a sound is pleasing to my ears, I wont deny it because of the ethnic background of the musician. That is senseless... And you need to stop bringing up the personal. If you must know, my focus is on the late antique Roman imperial era. Albania may be in Europe, but we are culturally closer to Turks, Pomaks, Bosnians and Gorani than we are to French, Germans, Brits and Swedes. stop bringing up the personal? isnt that what you're doing with Orthodox or "kaur" Albanians? anyway it doesnt matter, you are a "grekofil muti" or a philhellene because you choose to be one. end of. if were culturally close to Bosnians then we're culturally close to Serbs, theyre not distinct species just because they have different religions. same thing with Turks in relation to Greeks. and i have no idea what Pomaks or Gorani are but i bet my left nut they r Muslim
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Post by tomorri on May 14, 2009 17:51:18 GMT -5
No, just their faith... and their leadership. If I dislike Orthodox Albs I would hate half my family... However, dont be surprised if many Muslim Albs dislike Orthodox Albs as well, you guys share the faith of two people who are considered enemies... What is worse, you allowed them to take control of your church (Pappa Janni, never mind the numerous other "Arvanite" priests he put into power). Orthodox Albanians should do their Muslim and Catholic brothers a favor and turn Uniate. Since you keep using derogatory terms towards Orthodox Albanians, then I wouldn't be suprised if you really did hate half of your family. I could come up with countless reasons why Albanians shouldn’t be muslims and catholics, so don’t preach me on what religion is right or wrong. If the majority of Albanians had the same views on religon, as you do, then we wouldn’t even exist as a nation. A good example of a nation that couldn’t survive because of its religious differences, such as Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Islam is Yugoslavia.
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Post by Kassandros on May 14, 2009 17:55:15 GMT -5
Zoti "Tne real test will come when Janullatos passes away. If another Greek gets the post it'll be the end." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most propably he will be Greek since he will be appointed from the Ecumenical Patriarch in Instabul.... and also he must be extremely educated (Bartolomew speaks 6 languages fluently and has 2-3 science degrees) I doubt there are Albanians today there who fullfill the needs. Maybe in the long term... but I doubt someone is ready for such a position today.
You know.. to be the spiritual leader of all Orthodox or the spiritual leader of a population of a country... just having the ethnicity you would love to see.. is not enough. It needs very deep education. We're not talking just about a common priest...
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Post by Kassandros on May 14, 2009 18:01:30 GMT -5
Toskali said.... "- Most eastern Europeans either completely hate Albanians/Albania (Serbia, Russia, Slovakia) or just dont like us (Romania and Bulgaria). In fact nearly all who are Orthodox Christians hate Albs absolutely."
and then he said.. - Im not European, I couldnt care less about what problems Europe has" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ... have you ever thought of stop saying that bs on the web... stop saying how Asian and Islamist you feel.. and how much you dont care for Europe's faith.... just in case Europeans like you..? ..I say just in case those crazy and bad Europeans change their bad and crazy mind..?
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 14, 2009 18:04:27 GMT -5
Most propably he will be Greek since he will be appointed from the Ecumenical Patriarch in Instabul.... and also he must be extremely educated (Bartolomew speaks 6 languages fluently and has 2-3 science degrees) I doubt there are Albanians today there who fullfill the needs. Maybe in the long term... but I doubt someone is ready for such a position today. You know.. to be the spiritual leader of all Orthodox or the spiritual leader of a population of a country... just having the ethnicity you would love to see.. is not enough. It needs very deep education. We're not talking just about a common priest... How presumptuous of you to think that there are no qualified Albanian priests. Why Greek though? Why not Armenian, Serbian, or Russian? Anyways I don't think a Greek meddling in our internal affairs is gonna help matters but if one is elected I hope the majority does turn Uniate. There have been calls and they'll grow louder if a Greek is elected. That would make a mockery of the Independence of the Albanian Orthodox Church.
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Post by Kassandros on May 14, 2009 18:06:00 GMT -5
logic ".. however, your idea could help rid of foreign powers that our influencing Albanians via religion." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so.. you dont have a problem if foreign powers infuencing Albanians via military power and money.. like US? The religion is your problem? lol lol lol I have seen Albanians naming their streets like "Jannoulatos Avenue"... but I have seen them naming it "Klinton Avenue".. lol lol Religion is your problem bre? Ottomans, Nazis and US today... used religion to guide you to the paths of "wisdom" all those previous years..? lol lol
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on May 14, 2009 18:07:42 GMT -5
so.. you dont have a problem if foreign powers infuencing Albanians via military power and money.. like US? The religion is your problem? lol lol lol I have seen Albanians naming their streets like "Jannoulatos Avenue"... but I have seen them naming it "Klinton Avenue".. lol lol Religion is your problem bre? Ottomans, Nazis and US today... used religion to guide you to the paths of "wisdom" all those previous years..? lol lol No, religion is fine as long as it's not the religion of our sworn enemies.
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