Post by Alb_Korcar on Mar 14, 2009 22:16:32 GMT -5
its one of those languages you need to learn when you're a kid and preferrebly have a parent that speaks it. or live in Albania(or Kosovo I guess Lol) for many years. otherwise its pointless and useless to begin to learn it because Albanians have at least 5000 dialects.
you even have Albanians who cant speak it, some who cant understand each others dialects if theyre from far north or far south, or they know "t'qifsha nonen" and think they can speak Albanian so yea its very hard, one of the hardest languages you can try to learn. but that shouldn't discourage you if you really want to learn it Lol
Last Edit: Mar 14, 2009 22:42:54 GMT -5 by Alb_Korcar
Apparently it is not that hard, seeing how that dumbass casey cooper johnson who calls himself "dhandrri i kosoves" speaks perfect albanian. (with an accent but still lol)
if you put your mind to it, you can do it, just like you can learn chinese and japenese, which I personally think are two of the hardest languages on earth.
I hope you're joking. Not only does he have an accent, Casey that is, but he also has severe issues with pronouncation and the grammar is horrendous. He can be understood and he can understand, but claiming that he speaks "perfect Albanian" is a little too generous. Many Albanians don't speak the language entirely correct.
As for Albanian being a difficult language to learn; personally it is difficult to appraise because it is my mother tongue. But in general, my experience tells me foreigners have some difficulties with pronouncation. Slavs who speak Albanian, for instance, often find difficulties in pronouncing interdental consonants such as 'th' & 'dh', or vowels such as 'y'. Grammatically, Albanian has its complex structure which sets it slightly apart from other languages, such as a highly complex system of moods (indicative, subjunctive, conditional, imperative, optative and admirative). To compare with other IE languages, it has six official cases (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, ablative & locative) as well as one inofficial; locative. Locative is a remnant of the Albanian language's old structure, only present in a few dialects and not included into the standard and litterary Albanian. Vocative on the other hand has, linguists argue, has lost its grammatical purpose and only occurs with a limited number of words. Some would therefore say that it shouldn't be included there as an official case.
do you know of any non-albanians, who were able to speak it?
Of course. They're not numerous because frankly, Albanian isn't a widely spoken language, and people often seek to learn more important languages, such as German, French, Spanish etc (English I will not even speak of as it is the lingua franca of today). Only excentric people with a certain interest in our culture speak it, or people somehow connected to us through intermarriages, or, the final category, members of minorities; there is for instance (I assume you are Bosnian) a Bosniak community in Albania in the vicinity of Shijak, near Durres. They are well integrated and all speak the language perfectly.
There is a Swedish author here in Stockholm whose name I won't dispose, who quite frankly, speaks our language better than 90 per cent of Albanians do; if we compare his ability with that of the diaspora youth, then I would go as far as saying he is better than 99,999999 per cent than the young Albanians I have heard.
just asking, how hard is it, do you know of any non-albanians, who were able to speak it?
the non albanians that i know personally that speak albanian are: 1 spanish guy 1 german girl 1 girl from norway 1 french girl 1 indian girl 1 austrian boy and many english girl that are married with albanian boys. is it hard to learn albanian i dont know but i seen many that learned albanian.
I think Albanian is one of those languages you can't really learn from a textbook and you need as much human interaction as possible to fully grasp it. Meaning, I think you will either need to have a bunch of Albanian friends to practice your Albanian or you will need to live in Albania for a few years.
Even I have a hard time understanding proper Albanian because I was raised in the US and my family doesn't speak the official dialect per se. I find that those Albanians news channels speak way too fast and sometimes I'm left scratching my head at some parts. I'm trying to improve my Albanian by reading Albanian news articles and translating some words I don't use and asking my parents, but it's tough, definitely a work in progress. I'm actually considering living into Shkup after this school semester to take a break. Maybe take some Albanian courses at the Albanian University there and interacting with Albanians there would improve my language. If I had a guaranteed job there, I'd probably do it and stay for a year or two.
Last Edit: Mar 15, 2009 11:34:45 GMT -5 by L0gjICK
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