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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 3, 2009 19:33:22 GMT -5
Now onto Switzerland (baring in mind that I'm only talking about FOOTBALL here). Switzerland already has TWO footballers of Albanian ethnicity representing them, Valon Behrami and Blerim Dzemaili, and 0 serbs unless you consider Senderos and Abdi Serbs . . Why do you call me "dickwad"? Have I insulted you somehow? Anyway there are Serbians in Swiss U21 you just can not see them, it is your problem. Have a nice day/night.
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 3, 2009 19:42:32 GMT -5
Stop making stupid assumptions dude. There is no difference between Kosovars and Albanians in sport. It's just that we had a better chance to succeed during Tito's era where quite a few Kosovars and Iliridans won Olympic medals due to the superior training and facilities available to them compared to Hoxha's f**ked up dictatorship where sport did not flourish in the same way. Strip away those privilieges and opportunites, there is absolutely no f**king difference between Albs, Kosovar Albs, Serbs and any other Balkan group in terms of "natural" sporting ability. You have no idea what you're talking about. In the Balkans, when it comes to sports first it's Serbs then Croats, simple as that. I personally don't mix sports with politics, so I'm not going to sit here and say that they suck in sports (like some here are doing), screw that, I only speak the truth, we Albanians should look up at the Serbs and see how they do things so well in sports and get better as we go along. This is why a Balkan league would help us a lot, getting to play Croatia, Serbia, Greece, etc. (should be created in the future, for bball, football) No one in here has said they suck at sports, and it is pretty stupid comparing our own athletes (i.e those representing Shqiperia) to theirs for reasons I have already outlined in previous posts. However the success of our athletes in the diaspora shows that there is negligible differences in sporting ability between ethnic Albanians and other Balkanic people who live outside their country's borders. Now stop making retarded statements, because you sound like an idiot. Our athletes abroad are doing as well as anyone else, the only problem is that they do not represent our nation and flag, but that of their adoptive nation. We urgently need to plough money towards Sport in our own states (Kosova and Shqiperia), but I doubt that will happen any time soon, so the rift between Albania and the others will be there for a long time yet. A Balkan League would help nobody, as we would get destroyed by every country and be the laughing stock in the region. First we must improve our pitiful sporting infrastructure which includes hiring and training specialised coaches, upgrading our shitty facilities, creating sporting bodies that are free of corruption (read Berisha, Duka and Qemal Stafa stadium ), get some kind of rigid organisational structure up and running and encourage our youth to be involved in sporting activities. Until then, we are light years away from our Balkan counterparts.
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 3, 2009 19:49:57 GMT -5
Now onto Switzerland (baring in mind that I'm only talking about FOOTBALL here). Switzerland already has TWO footballers of Albanian ethnicity representing them, Valon Behrami and Blerim Dzemaili, and 0 serbs unless you consider Senderos and Abdi Serbs . . Why do you call me "dickwad"? Have I insulted you somehow? Anyway there are Serbians in Swiss U21 you just can not see them, it is your problem. Have a nice day/night. I will modify my post, didn't mean to insult you. Yeah, I can see them but they're not that highly rated in Switzerland, and if you check the U-17 and U-19 squad they had numerous Albanians and not many Serbs. Well they did a year or two ago, anyway. Now, if you compare the number of Albanians and Serbs that dwell in Switzerland and other nations of Western Europe we are pretty equal, and yet I do not see any difference in the amount of athletes produced by the two ethnicities in these nations. So the whole "Serbs are somehow inherently and innately superior to Albanians at Sports" argument is utter bullshit. Good night to you too.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 3, 2009 19:55:32 GMT -5
Why do you call me "dickwad"? Have I insulted you somehow? Anyway there are Serbians in Swiss U21 you just can not see them, it is your problem. Have a nice day/night. I will modify my post, didn't mean to insult you. Yeah, I can see them but they're not that highly rated in Switzerland, and if you check the U-17 and U-19 squad they had numerous Albanians and not many Serbs. Well they did a year or two ago, anyway. Now, if you compare the number of Albanians and Serbs that dwell in Switzerland and other nations of Western Europe we are pretty equal, and yet I do not see any difference in the amount of athletes produced by the two ethnicities in these nations. So the whole "Serbs are somehow inherently and innately superior to Albanians at Sports" argument is utter bulls**t. Good night to you too. Something is wrong whit you (not an insult). First you say/write: Now onto Switzerland (baring in mind that I'm only talking about FOOTBALL here). Switzerland already has TWO footballers of Albanian ethnicity representing them, Valon Behrami and Blerim Dzemaili, and 0 serbs unless you consider Senderos and Abdi Serbs . . And then: Do you see contradiction in your statements/quotes?
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 3, 2009 20:02:57 GMT -5
I will modify my post, didn't mean to insult you. Yeah, I can see them but they're not that highly rated in Switzerland, and if you check the U-17 and U-19 squad they had numerous Albanians and not many Serbs. Well they did a year or two ago, anyway. Now, if you compare the number of Albanians and Serbs that dwell in Switzerland and other nations of Western Europe we are pretty equal, and yet I do not see any difference in the amount of athletes produced by the two ethnicities in these nations. So the whole "Serbs are somehow inherently and innately superior to Albanians at Sports" argument is utter bulls**t. Good night to you too. Something is wrong whit you (not an insult). First you say/write: And then: Do you see contradiction in your statements/quotes? Nope I don't see any contradictions. You were referring to Serb-Swiss in the u-21 Swiss national team and asked me whether I saw them, I said yes. Senderos and Abdi play play for the senior team. One of them is a Spaniard-Serb (Senderos) and the other is a Muslim Slav (Gorani?) from Kosovo (Abdi). So unless you consider these two Serbs, there are 0 Serbs in the Swiss national team.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 3, 2009 20:09:01 GMT -5
Something is wrong whit you (not an insult). First you say/write: And then: Do you see contradiction in your statements/quotes? Nope I don't see any contradictions. You were referring to Serb-Swiss in the u-21 Swiss national team and asked me whether I saw them, I said yes. Senderos and Abdi play play for the senior team. One of them is a Spaniard-Serb (Senderos) and the other is a Muslim Slav (Gorani?) from Kosovo (Abdi). So unless you consider these two Serbs, there are 0 Serbs in the Swiss national team. Man you definitely have a problem are you saying that Dragan Djukic is not a Serb? Goran Karanovic too. I am not sure about Daniel Pavlovic and Danijel Milicevic because they can be Croats too but I think their names are more closer to Serbs. Not to speak about Zdravko Kuzmanovic Born 1987 who was born in Switzerland but have chose to play for Serbian national team. "Zdravko Kuzmanović (Serbian Cyrillic: Здравко Кузмановић; born 22 September, 1987 in Bern, Switzerland) is a Swiss-born Serbian footballer who currently plays as a midfielder for ACF Fiorentina in the Italian Serie A." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdravko_Kuzmanovi%C4%87
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 3, 2009 20:14:55 GMT -5
Nope I don't see any contradictions. You were referring to Serb-Swiss in the u-21 Swiss national team and asked me whether I saw them, I said yes. Senderos and Abdi play play for the senior team. One of them is a Spaniard-Serb (Senderos) and the other is a Muslim Slav (Gorani?) from Kosovo (Abdi). So unless you consider these two Serbs, there are 0 Serbs in the Swiss national team. Man you definitely have a problem are you saying that Dragan Djukic is not a Serb? Dragan Djukic is not a senior team player, lol. He plays for the u-21 and is not highly rated as far as I am aware. I think we're getting lost in translation here...
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 3, 2009 20:23:02 GMT -5
Man you definitely have a problem are you saying that Dragan Djukic is not a Serb? Dragan Djukic is not a senior team player, lol. He plays for the u-21 and is not highly rated as far as I am aware. I think we're getting lost in translation here... In your first post you were talking about " youth teams", Sweden, Germany and Switzerland. I have posted roster of U21 teams of mentioned countries. You quoted those and start speaking about no Serbs in Swiss team ( so if you have quoted my post with U21 roster) it means you were speaking about them not seniors. BTW Blerim Dzemali is listed as member of U21 team in my post,
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Post by coke&broke on Jul 3, 2009 21:17:51 GMT -5
Dragan Djukic is not a senior team player, lol. He plays for the u-21 and is not highly rated as far as I am aware. I think we're getting lost in translation here... In your first post you were talking about " youth teams", Sweden, Germany and Switzerland. I have posted roster of U21 teams of mentioned countries. You quoted those and start speaking about no Serbs in Swiss team ( so if you have quoted my post with U21 roster) it means you were speaking about them not seniors. BTW Blerim Dzemali is listed as member of U21 team in my post, No, I said there were no up and coming talented Serbs in Switzerland which is true. Djukic is not considered to be a talent. I never even heard of the guy. Whereas the Albanian youngsters play for the top teams in Switzerland (Check the squads of Basel, FC Zurich etc) they all have at least 2 or 3 young albs. Blerim Dzemaili is in the senior team Squad, and has been involved in Switzerland's latest matches. He is ineligible to play for the Swiss u-21 team, because he is too old. I think the Wikipedia article you are citing is out of date .
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Post by leshte on Jul 3, 2009 22:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 4, 2009 0:54:52 GMT -5
Final Medal tally for our area; www.pescara2009.it/results/Gold, Silver Bronze Greece - 18, 13, 30 Serbia - 7, 13, 13 Croatia - 4, 8, 10 Slovenia - 4, 8, 9 Albania - 2, 4, 0 Montenegro - 2, 2, 2 Bosnia - 0, 2, 4 And yes Serbs are a bit physically superior to Albanians as are all the other south slavs probably due to our genetic influences from the north and beyond. Orthodox brothers Serbia & Greece at the top. Muslim Illyrian izrodi brothers Albania & Bosnia at the bottom. I find it quite ironic that these "Illyrian oldest people in Europe & the Balkans claimants," Albanians & Bosniaks have the newest non European religion.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jul 4, 2009 3:12:10 GMT -5
Why dont we just let the results speak for them selfs.
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Post by bob1389 on Jul 4, 2009 4:32:51 GMT -5
Comprehensive ownage by Sh1 Shonic in this topic. Wow.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 4, 2009 18:45:49 GMT -5
Comprehensive ownage by Sh1 Shonic in this topic. Wow. Yes the claim that their diaspora is better than our diaspora is complete bs.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jul 5, 2009 14:17:12 GMT -5
Update:
Jos dve zlatne medalje za Srbiju!
Sport Mediteranske igre u Peskari Zlatne medalje za vaterpoliste i rukometaše SrbijeAutor: Tanjug | 05.07.2009. - 19:19 Vaterpolisti i rukometaši Srbije osvojili su zlatne medalje na Mediteranskim igrama u Peskari.
Vaterpolo reprezentacija je danas u finalnom susretu pobedila selekciju Španije rezultatom 9:4 (3:2, 4:1, 0:0, 2:1).
Srpski vaterpolisti odigrali su još jednu veoma dobru utakmicu na ovom turniru i bez veæih problema uspeli su da savladaju Španiju i da zasluženo trijumfuju. Kao i juèe u duelu protiv Hrvatske, naš tim je krenuo nešto sporije, da bi onda u drugoj èetvrtini stekao nedostižnu prednost. U drugom poluvremenu Španci nisu imali ni snage ni kvaliteta da eventualno naprave preokret. Tako je važna faza priprema za predstojeæe prvenstvo sveta završena na najbolji moguæi naèin, pa naši vaterpolisti s dosta optimizma mogu da putuju u Rim na megdan najboljim timovima sveta. Bronzanu medalju osvojila je Italija koja je u meèu za treæe mesto pobedila Hrvatsku rezultatom 10:9 (1:2, 2:1, 3:3, 4:3).
Rukometna selekcija Srbije osvojila je zlatnu medalju pobedom u finalu nad selekcijom Francuske rezultatom 35:31 (14:14). Izvanrednom igrom, posebno u drugom poluvremenu, naši rukometaši nadigrali su odlièan francuski tim i zasluženo stigli do trofeja. Izvanredne partije u našoj selekciji pružili su Aleksandar Stojanoviæ i Momir Rniæ, koji su postigli po sedam pogodaka, kao i Žarko Šešum, strelac šest golova.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 5, 2009 20:27:05 GMT -5
27th June - 5th July Gold, Silver, Bronze Greece - 19, 14, 31 ;D Orthodox Serbia - 9, 13, 13 ;D slavs/Orthodox Slovenia - 7, 9, 10 ;D slavs Croatia - 5, 12, 11 slavs Albania - 2, 4, 0 Illyrians/Muslims Montenegro - 2, 2, 3 Serb sellouts Bosnia - 0, 3, 5 Illyrians/Muslims
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Post by insomniac on Jul 5, 2009 21:17:08 GMT -5
That was a retarded connection. Given that Albanians are from the three main religions.
And Bosniaks share more in common with Serbs yet they are being shunned. They are shunned and Greeks accepted. That's a shame. That's what happens when you have a superficial identity that is when your religion is your identity.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jul 7, 2009 9:20:16 GMT -5
Comprehensive ownage by Sh1 Shonic in this topic. Wow. Yes the claim that their diaspora is better than our diaspora is complete bs. No dick, he was refuting the point that Serbs were genetically superior to Albanians in sports. His point was funds used for training are much more significant for the development of these players as compared to genetics, and he used an example of Albanians succeeding in diaspora due to better training. If genetics played such a key role, then how come the African basetball teams are terrible compared to America?
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Post by L0gjICK on Jul 7, 2009 9:24:43 GMT -5
Orthodox brothers Serbia & Greece at the top. Muslim Illyrian izrodi brothers Albania & Bosnia at the bottom. I find it quite ironic that these "Illyrian oldest people in Europe & the Balkans claimants," Albanians & Bosniaks have the newest non European religion. Actually over 30% of Albania's population considers themselves Christians. Even studies today show more then half of Albanians view themselves as atheists in Albania. In Montenegro, more then half the Albanians are Catholic. Try again slav, we are much more diverse then your kind and we get along for the most part with our different religions. Something you slavic barbaric religious numbnuts can not fathom.
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Post by bob1389 on Jul 7, 2009 9:43:17 GMT -5
Orthodox brothers Serbia & Greece at the top. Muslim Illyrian izrodi brothers Albania & Bosnia at the bottom. I find it quite ironic that these "Illyrian oldest people in Europe & the Balkans claimants," Albanians & Bosniaks have the newest non European religion. Actually over 30% of Albania's population considers themselves Christians. Even studies today show more then half of Albanians view themselves as atheists in Albania. In Montenegro, more then half the Albanians are Catholic. Try again slav, we are much more diverse then your kind and we get along for the most part with our different religions. Something you slavic barbaric religious numbnuts can not fathom. Lacking a common identity is something to be proud of?
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