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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 28, 2009 22:01:44 GMT -5
Romania's Hungarians call for full autonomy
The largest Hungarian party in Romania - the Democratic Union of Hungarians - has called on Bucarest to allow for a full administrative autonomy for the 1,7 million strong Hungarian minority party.
(KosovoCompromise Staff) Tuesday, April 28, 2009
At congress in Cluj, in northwestern Romania, the party called for the recognition of Hungarian language as official and of Hungarian community as a constituent nation of Romania.
The call for follows last year's assessment by the party that the secession of Kosovo sets a precedent for other movements in Europe and the world.
Romania, but also Slovakia, have refused to recognize Kosovo's secession, fearing a precedent it could have on their own Hungarian communities.
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Post by karabin on Apr 29, 2009 0:19:51 GMT -5
The call for follows last year's assessment by the party that the secession of Kosovo sets a precedent for other movements in Europe and the world. Amazing how much mess the US has brought upon Europe with their illegal foreign policies. Hey I was thinking of asking for autonomy for the land i own. You know make my own rules, currencies....etc
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Post by Novus Dis on Apr 29, 2009 0:36:32 GMT -5
HOW CAN THIS BE!?!? THEY ARE BOTH IN NATO, OMG!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 29, 2009 6:47:03 GMT -5
"Amazing how much mess the US has brought upon Europe with their illegal foreign policies."
"Hey I was thinking of asking for autonomy for the land i own. You know make my own rules, currencies....etc"
Karabin, when l invited mum and dad over for dinner afew months ago, my mum said she wants to proclaim autonomy for the property she lives on.
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 7:02:32 GMT -5
Hey I was thinking of asking for autonomy for the land i own. You know make my own rules, currencies....etc It's obvious, it's in your own blood.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 29, 2009 7:40:19 GMT -5
^ so its not in the hungarians blood?
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Post by fazlinho on Apr 29, 2009 8:38:05 GMT -5
No, they try to do it in a civilized way, not resorting to killings.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 29, 2009 8:48:10 GMT -5
No, they try to do it in a civilized way, not resorting to killings. Like the boslims/ustashe did on Serbs during WWII and tried to do in the 90s? You cant expect a nation to play the role of the victim 100% of the time fazlinjo. Sooner or later they will fight back, which is what serbs exactly did. PS There is no civilized way to do smth ILLEGAL btw. An illegal act is UNcivilized by default.
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Post by yeni on Apr 29, 2009 12:48:40 GMT -5
What is illegal in autonomy? There are several existing autonom territories in the world, Huns in Romania want the same what Catalans have in Spain, or Swedes have in Finland.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 29, 2009 18:22:28 GMT -5
It's not comparable to what happened in Yugoslavia. Minority republics wanted to separate and minorities within those republics wanted to separate as well after. It was a tit-for-tat, confused by the fact both republics and nations within republics were entitled to self-determination in Yugoslavia. Hungarians have been a minority in Romania for a while now.
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Post by soko on Apr 29, 2009 18:24:15 GMT -5
we can only hope that the Romani - Hungarian war becomes as epic as those in the former Yugoslavia, that way...never mind
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Post by Username on Apr 29, 2009 19:10:38 GMT -5
No, they try to do it in a civilized way, not resorting to killings. Like the boslims/ustashe did on Serbs during WWII and tried to do in the 90s? You cant expect a nation to play the role of the victim 100% of the time fazlinjo. Sooner or later they will fight back, which is what serbs exactly did. PS There is no civilized way to do smth ILLEGAL btw. An illegal act is UNcivilized by default. What did Bosniaks and Croats try to do to Serbs in the 90s? How were Serbs the victims in the Yugoslav federation? If anything they were the winners, and got more out of it than any other republic in the federation... They were selfish and greedy, and still came out of with more than they deserved after the war.. They fought back to protect themselves? How were they victims in a country like Slovenia, where there were barely any Serbs? I think its kinda sick that you are justifying the horrors that Serbs committed during the 90s.
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Post by vinjak on Apr 29, 2009 20:21:26 GMT -5
^^^^^
Read up a little bit and you will see there were many unresolved issues at stake both economic and human, all of that should have been sorted before independence was realized.Also history between us played a very big hand.
How were Serbs the victims in the Yugoslav federation?
You only have to look at the phrase a weak Serbia = a strong Jugoslavia........again read up a bit.
How were they victims in a country like Slovenia, where there were barely any Serbs?
Slovenia was a Ju issue not a Serb issue all trade at that time was passing through Slovenia and by declaring Independence left Slovenia with control of customs posts..........read and find out.
think its kinda sick that you are justifying the horrors that Serbs committed during the 90s.
Wanna know what is sick ? its the Horrors that were perpetrated on Serb Civilians but ignored even now. The horrors you talk about Serbs committing have and are being dealt with, through the Hague and through Beograd but what is Sick is that ours are ignored.
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Post by karabin on Apr 29, 2009 21:19:57 GMT -5
It's obvious, it's in your own blood. Do you realize what an ass you make out of yourself when you rip out shit like this? It was the muslims who declared independence. The serbs wanted 50% of BiH and that is what we got, yet we went to war for 3.5 years with muslims which proves that muslims were not happy with anything other but the whole of BiH. This is further strengthened by the fact that muslims are the only ethnic group in BiH who want to centralize BiH and eventually over time (turk style) explode the population and try to get the whole of BiH based on majority seats in parliament, majority population, oppression...etc. Jebiga, zinula vam guzica za necim sto NE PRIPADA vama. Kada je vrijeme bilo tu da se brani Bosna vi ste se svi poturcili kao zadnje neke picke a sada tu serete kao ono Bosna je vasa. Vase je to 30% Bosne (a i to ste dobili previse uzeto u obzir vasu istoriju) i sa time mozete da radite sta god hocete. Srbi NIKADA nece napustiti Republiku Srpsku za bilo kakav drugi ideal (EU). Ako ti i takvi kao ti imaju ikakvu dobru namjeru za svoj narod onda vam nebi trebalo biti to u interesu da se provocira i izaziva status Republike Srpske. Obrazuj se. Uvjek isto sranje sa vama muslimanima. Dokle srbi priznaju neke zlocine izvrsene nad vama (i ja to priznam i nema opravdanja za te stvari), vi jos uvjek serete po nekoj zrtvenoj teoriji. Ne, necu sa ovim da kazem da niste vi bili zrtve, ali bili su i svi ostali. 3,000 Srpskih civila nisu izvrsili samo ubistvo za vrijeme rata u BiH. Sve do tog momenta dokle vi muslimani ne pocnete da osudjujete svoje zlocine nad manjinama mi srbi ce mo da podrzavamo i Mladica i Karadzica, i Arkana....etc
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 29, 2009 21:41:06 GMT -5
Like the boslims/ustashe did on Serbs during WWII and tried to do in the 90s? You cant expect a nation to play the role of the victim 100% of the time fazlinjo. Sooner or later they will fight back, which is what serbs exactly did. PS There is no civilized way to do smth ILLEGAL btw. An illegal act is UNcivilized by default. What did Bosniaks and Croats try to do to Serbs in the 90s? How were Serbs the victims in the Yugoslav federation? If anything they were the winners, and got more out of it than any other republic in the federation... They were selfish and greedy, and still came out of with more than they deserved after the war.. They fought back to protect themselves? How were they victims in a country like Slovenia, where there were barely any Serbs? I think its kinda sick that you are justifying the horrors that Serbs committed during the 90s. Ako ti nije tesko procitaj: Najrazvijeniji region u Kraljavini Jugoslaviji je bila Srbija. 77% tadasnje tekstilne indistrije u periodu od 1918 do 1941 je bilo bazirano u dansnjoj Srbiji. 1955 65% tekstilne industrije u SFR Jugoslaviji bazirano u Sloveniji. Kako su samo uspeli tako brzo da razviju tu indistriju? 1904 prvi auto sklopljen u celoj Jugoistocnoj Evropi je bio u Kragujevcu, investicije su dosle od Americkog Forda. Srbija uveliko proizvodi auta 1904 u Kragujevcu dok nasi ‘susjedi’ jos za auto nisu ni culi. 1939 Shervolet ulaze u Kragujavecku fabriku automobila i tu u sred Sumadije pravi svoje modele za celu Evropu, zaposljavajuci 12,000 radnika, a broj Slovenaca i Zagoraca od tih 12,000 se ne zna tacno. SRPSKA avio indsurtija ubedljivo najaca u celoj Jugoistocnoj Evropi i tu granu srpske privrede su uspeli da uniste Tito i Kardelj. Prvi letovi su vidjeni na Balknau opet u Kraljevini Srbiji. 1911 Srbi proizvode prvi model ratnog aviona OLUJ koga su imali prilike da vide nasi ‘susjedi’a i da osete na svojoj kozi prilikom dolaska u Srbiju u austrougarskim uniformama.1914. www.srpskidespot.org.yu/Slike/Oluj.htmdragan.freeservers.com/industrija/history.htmOd ovih srpksih fabrika komunisti Tito i Kardelj su sve uspeili da uniste a ono sto nisu unistili preselili u druge krajeve kao na primer cela fabrika aviona IKARUS premestana od Tita i partije ‘U IME NARODA’ u Mostar.Sa proizvođačima kakvi su bili "Zmaj", "Ikarus", "Utva", "Rogožarski", Fabrika aeroplanskih motora u Rakovici i slično preduzeće Vlajkovića i kompanije, zatim "Teleoptik", "Mikron" i "Nestor", beogradski basen vazduhoplovne industrije i prateće proizvodnje isticao se visokim tehnološkim nivoom, relativno kompletnim programom, saradnjom sa najistaknutijim evropskim i svetskim proizvođačima i dobrim stručnjacima. Dodaju li se tome Državna fabrika aviona u Kraljevu, proizvodnja svećica u Smederevskoj Palanci, Fabrika letačke opreme i padobrana u Inđiji i manji pogon u Sremskoj Mitrovici, moze se slobodno reci je Srbija u Kraljevini Yu imala jednu od najacu avio industriju, pre osamdesetak godina predstavljale svetske tehnološke vrhove, bez znakova da će ubuduće izgubiti takav značaj. Dolaskom Tita i komunista u Srbiju desilo se posve obratno. Taj veliki zamah je presečen 1945 seobom proizvodnog programa "Ikarusa" van Srbije. Odlazak visokostručnih radnika je ublažen stvaranjem Vazduhoplovnog instituta u Beogradu, ranija proizvodnja je zamenjena tek delimično programom izgradnje "Prve petoletke" u Trsteniku, dok je "Utva" tretirana kao proizvođač nižeg reda i uglavnom je zaostajala. Ambicije vezane za "21. maj" u međuvremenu su takođe prenete na proizvođača van Srbije. Jednostavno receno uspeli su da konacno uniste cuvenu srpsku avio industriju. www.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/v_industrija.htmwww.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/prviletovi.htmA i prvi svetski vazdusni nocni let ti je isao Pariz-Carigrad. Taj avion je sleteo na pancevacki aerodrom, koji uopste i ne postoji danas niti vecina aerodroma sto smo imali u Kraljevini. www.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/a_p...iciistorija.htmwww.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/letelista.htmIscrpnu studiju o preseljenju industrije Srbije od 1948 do 1953 godine, koju je za potrebe srpske vlade uradio beogradski Ekonomski institut, upućuje na zaključak da je privreda Srbije u tom perodu ’48 do ’53 izgubila 42% svoje industrije koja je imala za vreme Kraljevine Jugoslavije u druge krajeve SFRJ-a, dok sa druge strane ni jedna jedina fabrika iz tih krajeva (Slovenija, Hrvatska, Bosna, Makedonija) nije dosla u Srbiju.Ako se samo procita izvestaj Slovenca Andrije Hebranga ( Kardeljov covek) , tada predsednika Savezne planske komisije, da se industrija Srbije između dva rata najbrže razvijala i da je taj region bio ekonomski najrazvijeniji u Kraljevini Jugoslaviji, zato taj isti region ( Srbija) u započetom planskom periodu, treba da ima najsporiji rast od svih ostalih republika. Politika sporijeg privrednog razvoja Srbije usledila je samo mesec dana posle istupa Blagoja Neškovića u kojem je kritikovao i realnost otkupa, tvrdeći da to nije plan Srbije, jer je donet bez učešća srpskih clanova KPJ-a. Bilo kako bilo, nacionalni dohodak, industrijska proizvodnja i budžet Srbije 1956 su ostali na nivou 1948 godine. Sve nove investicije u Srbiji su bile gotovo stopirane, dok su drugi krajevi u SFRJ uveliko ( kao na primer Slovenija) imali ekomnski rast do 15 do 20% godisnje. 'Pjesacko' oruzije a i topovi su proizvodjeni u Kragaujevcu jos pre 153 godine. Sigurno Srbija nije cekala Tita da dodje da to proizvodi. Sta god da je bio nije bio dobar za Srbiju. Slovenija i Hrvatska nije imala nikakvu avio a ni auto industriju ni 1904 a ni 1911 kada je napravljen prvi ratni avion Oluj u Kraljevu. Tako da si lose infromisan jer Kragujevacka fabrika oruzija je nastala 1853, Kragujevcka fabtrika oruzija je pocela raditi kao iskljucivo fabrika oruzija sve do 1904 dok Americki Ford nije investirao i poceo izgrdanju prvo auta zatim dzipova i onda shervolet kamiona u Srbiji, ustvari jedina fabrika vozila u tom regionu. Nista iz Zadra nije stiglo u Kragujevac vec je iz Kragujevca stiglo za Split. Zastava u Kragujevcu koja je pedesetih godina od sopstvenog troška nabavila tada najveću metalnu presu celog Balkana, da bi tu istu presu Tito par godina kasnije preneo u brodogradnju Split, dok sama Zastava nije dobila nikakvu nadoknadu za to? Drugim rečima: Zastava je učestovala u finansiji najvećeg brodogradnja cele Jugoslavije a da nije ništa dobila od toga. archiv.medienhilfe.ch/Projekte/SER/...1PROJ-RTVKG.htmKragujevac (The Independent) - The marque: Grew out of the Zastava factory in Kragujevac, Yugoslavia, an arms manufacturer since 1853. www.news.balkansecurity.com/news/in...&login=&passwd=The ancestor of the factory was a cannon-casting plant, founded in 1853. The first vehicles in Kragujevac were Ford trucks. yugocars.freeweb.hu/hist.htmDo 1949, iz Srbije je odneto tridesetak mlinova, nekoliko krupara, uljara i šećerana. "Pomor mlinova" zadesio je još u to vreme Suboticu ("Margit"), Bačku Topolu ("Srbija"), "Moravicu" iz Starih Moravica, "Zadari" iz istog mesta, Čantavir ("Doža" i "Kirhenmajer"), Kikindu ("Lenhard" i "Dobi Janoš")... Preseljeni su najvećim delom u Bosnu i Hercegovinu, sedam ih je odneto u Hrvatsku, nekoliko je stiglo do Makedonije i Crne Gore, a Zadružni mlin iz Kanjiže završio je čak u Albaniji. Iz Srbobrana je odneta električna centrala u neko mesto kod Kranja, a iz pančevačke električne centrale odneta su dva dizel motora i gater u Nikšić. Isto su prošle i centrale iz Lovćenca i Zrenjanina zavrsile u Hrvtaskoj. Slične sudbine su bili i proizvođači hemijske industrije. Godine 1946. iz Subotice je u Osijek preneta CELA CELCIJATA do zadnjeg srafa, fabrika sapuna, sledećeg leta, takođe iz Subotice, u Zagreb biva preseljena takodje cela fabrika baterija "Jugotiper"... Srpska grafička industrija je totalno unistena. Pojedini uređaji i mašine su odneti iz šesnaest štamparija, a u celini je dato šest a vecina zavrsila u Sloveniji i Hrvatskoj. Jedna od njih je cak završila i u Albaniji. Krađa stoleća zadesila je takozvanu "granu 117". Preseljene su: Fabrika noževa braće Janez iz Rume, u Sarajevo je stigla subotička Livnica (tri stotine vagona opreme i materijala), kulska fabrika plugova Poliha i Varge, fabrika satova iz Apatina, a "Jugoalat" je iz Novog Sada dospeo u Trebinje. Veci deo masinerije Fabrike vagona iz Kraljeva data je preduzeću "Tito" u Sarajevu,a masinerija iz Fabrika hartije u Čačku prebačena je u železari "Zenica". 1948. iz Srbije su preneti i neki pogoni "saveznog" značaja. Na primer, mlin čekićar iz zrenjaninskog "Luksola" u sarajevski "Lekobilje"; dve prese iz beogradskog Preduzeća za dubinska bušenja bez naznake primaoca; velika količina materijala, svrstana u 37 stavki, iz železare u Smederevu u "Elku" - Zagreb; tri kotla i još tri druga uređaja iz Fabrike vunenih tkanina - Vučje u Belišću; sva masinerija za proizvodnju cementa iz poznate predratne srpske Beočinske fabrike za Split... Iz Srbije su put Maribora, Kranja, Ljubljane išli vozovi natovareni opremom za proizvodnju kamiona "pionir", uređajima za valjanje žica i traka, alatnih mašina. Čak je i osam srpskih fabrika dalo opremu za zenički "Novi život", smešten u zeničkom zatvoru, za proizvodnju bicikla i šivaćih mašina. Iz zemunskog "A. Ranković" preneti su šest peći i jedan kran u mariborski TAM, a čitava fabrika automobilskih svećica iz beogradske Industrije precizne mehanike otišla je u Industriju autopribora Brčko... . To je sto se tice industrije. Imas li neki komentar?
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Apr 29, 2009 21:47:18 GMT -5
In English (google translation): In Yugoslav Kingdom most developed region in Yugoslavia was Serbia. 77% of textile indistrije then in the period from 1918 to 1941 was based in todays Serbia. 1955 65% of textile industry in the SFR of Yugoslavia based in Slovenia. How did they managed so quickly to develop the industy? 1904 the first car assembled in the entire South-Eastern Europe was in Kragujevac, the investment came from the United States Ford. Serbia already produces cars in 1904 in Kragujevac, while our 'neighbors' for a car not heard. 1939 Chevrolet included in the Kragujevac factory and the car in the middle of your Sumadija real models for the whole of Europe, employing 12,000 employees, and the number of Slovenes and Croatians of the 12000 is not known exactly. Serbian air industry convincingly strongest throughout Southeastern Europe and the branch Serbian economy managed to destroy Tito and Kardelj. The first flights are seen in Balknau again in the Kingdom of Serbia. 1911 Serbs produced the first model aircraft Oluja war when they had the opportunity to see our neighbors to feel on your skin when you arrive in Serbia in the Austro-Hungarian uniforms.1914. www.srpskidespot.org.yu/Slike/Oluj.htmdragan.freeservers.com/industrija/history.htmOf these Serbian factory communists and Tito Kardelj all uspeili to destroy and what is not destroyed moved to second at the end as in the whole factory aircraft Ikarus was moved by Tito and the party 'in the name of people' in Mostar. With producers such as the "dragon", "Ikarus", "UTVA", "Rogožarski, aeroplane engine factory in Rakovica Vlajković company and similar companies, and" Teleoptik "," Mikron "and" Nestor ", Belgrades pool of air industry and related production represented the high technological level, a relatively complete program, in cooperation with most European and world producers and good experts. Added if the state aircraft factory in Kraljevo, plug in the production of Smederevska Palanka, factory equipment and parachute letačke in Indjija and smaller plant in Sremska Mitrovica, can be said is in the Kingdom of Serbia Yu was one of the airline industry najacu, eighty years ago represented technological world ends, without the will to continue to lose such importance. The arrival of Tito and the Communists in Serbia is quite the opposite happened. This large swing is presečen 1945 Moving the production of "Ikarusa" outside Serbia. Departure of workers is highly mitigated by creating Vazduhoplovni Institut in Belgrade, the previous production is only partially replaced the program of building "the first five years in Trstenik, while" UTVA "treated as a producer of low order and is mainly "backward". Ambitions related to the "May 21" in the meantime are also transferred to the producers out of Serbia. Simply put managed to finally destroy the famous Serb aviation industry. www.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/v_industrija.htmwww.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/prviletovi.htmA world first, and let the air Night went Paris-Constantinople. The aircraft landed at Pančevački airport, which are not there today, nor most of the airport that we had in the Kingdom. www.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/a_p...iciistorija.htmwww.vazduhoplovnivodic.co.yu/sr/letelista.htmDepth study on the relocation industry Serbia from 1948 to 1953, the serbian government needs to do the Belgrade Institute of Economics, points to the conclusion that the economy of Serbia in the perodu'48 to'53 lost 42% of their industry, which had for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia in the other end of the SFRY and, while on the other hand not a single factory from these regions (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia) did not come to Serbia. If you are only reading a report of Slovenian Andrija Hebrang (Kardeljs Man), then president of the federal planning commission, the industry Serbian war between the two fastest developed and that the region was economically most developed in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, because the same region (Serbia) in the start to the period, should have the slowest growth of all other republics. Policy of slower economic development of Serbia was followed by a only a month after stood Blagoje Neskovic which criticized the purchase and reality, claiming that it is not a plan of Serbia, because it is adopted without the participation of the Serb members of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia. However, national income, industrial production and the 1956 Serbian budget remained at the level of 1948. All new investments in Serbia were almost stopped, while other regions in Yugoslavia greatly (for example, Slovenia) had economical growth to 15 to 20% a year. 'Small' weapons and cannons were produced in Kragujevac before 153 years. Safe Serbia Tito is not waiting to come to products. Whatever it was was not good for Serbia. Slovenia and Croatia had no air and the auto industry, nor in 1904 nor in 1911 when the war made the first flight along the Kraljevo. So you are wrongly infromed because Kragujevac arms factory was founded in 1853, Kragujevac arms factory began to work exclusively as a arms factory until 1904 while the U.S. Ford is not invested, and built first car and jeep and then Chevrolet trucks in Serbia, actually the only vehicle in the factory the region. Have not arrived from Zadar in Kragujevac has already arrived from Kragujevac to Split. Zastava in Kragujevac, which is from the fifties of their own cost obtain the maximum metal presses the Balkans, to the same press Tito a few years later transferred to shipbuilding Split, while only flag is not received any compensation for it? In other words: the flag of Finance participated in the largest shipbuilding and to the whole of Yugoslavia has not received from it. archiv.medienhilfe.ch/Projekte/SER/...1PROJ-RTVKG.htmKragujevac (The Independent) - The marque: grew out of the Zastava factory in Kragujevac, Yugoslavia, an arms manufacturer since 1853. www.news.balkansecurity.com/news/in...&login=&passwd = The ancestor of the factory was a cannon-casting plant, founded in 1853. The first vehicles in Kragujevac were Ford trucks. yugocars.freeweb.hu/hist.htmUntil 1949, Serbia is take thirty mills, several krupara, oil mill and sugar refinery. "Plague mills" is afflicted at the time Subotica (Margit), Bačka Topol ( "Serbia"), "Moravica from ancient Moravica," Zadar "from the same place, Čantavir (" dose "and" Kirhenmajer), Kikinda (Lenhard and get Janos ")... Were mostly in Bosnia and Herzegovina, seven take them in Croatia, a few came to Macedonia and Montenegro, a cooperative mill Kanjiža from finished even in Albania. Slunj take away from the power plant in a place in Kranj, and Pančevački electricity exchanges take two diesel engines and gater in Nikšić. Similarly, the past and from the central Lovćenca and ended in Zrenjanin Hrvtaskoj. Similar fate are the manufacturers of the chemical industry. Year 1946. from Subotica in Osijek transferred whole to the last bolt WHOLE, soap factory, next summer, also in Subotica, in Zagreb was also moved the whole factory battery "Jugotiper" ... Serbian graphic industry is completely destroyed. Some devices and machines are removed from the printing of sixteen, in general, the six most finished in Slovenia and Croatia. One of them is even finished, and in Albania. Theft centuries afflicted the so-called "branch 117. Were: factory knives Janez brothers from Ruma, arrived in Sarajevo Subotička Foundry (three hundred wagons equipment and materials), factories Kulska coulter Poliha and Varga, factory watches from Apatin, and "Jugoalat" from Novi Sad due to Trebinje. Much of the machinery factory wagons from Kraljevo, the company "Tito" in Sarajevo, and the security machinery in the factory in Cacak has shifted in the forge, "Zenica". 1948. were transferred from Serbia and drives a "federal" importance. For example, the mill beater from Zrenjanin "Luksola in Sarajevo" Lekobilje; two presses from Belgrade Company for depth bušenja without indications of the recipient; large amount of material, classified in 37 items from the forge in Smederevo in Elku "- Zagreb, three boiler and three other devices from the factory wool fabric - Vučje in Belisce; all the machinery for the production of cement from the well-known pre-serbian Beočinska factory Split ... Serbia from the road Maribor, Kranj, Ljubljana went trains loaded with equipment for the production of trucks, "pioneer," devices for rolling wire and tape, machine tools. Even the eight Serb factory equipment given to Zenica "New Life", located in the Zenica prison, for the production of bicycles and sewing machines. From Zemun "A. Rankovic" transferred the six ovens, and one crane in Maribor TAM, and the whole factory plug from Belgrade Automotive Industries Precision mechanics went to Autopribor Brcko in the industry ... .
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Post by Username on Apr 29, 2009 23:24:52 GMT -5
Obrazuj se. Uvjek isto sranje sa vama muslimanima. Dokle srbi priznaju neke zlocine izvrsene nad vama (i ja to priznam i nema opravdanja za te stvari), vi jos uvjek serete po nekoj zrtvenoj teoriji. Ne, necu sa ovim da kazem da niste vi bili zrtve, ali bili su i svi ostali. 3,000 Srpskih civila nisu izvrsili samo ubistvo za vrijeme rata u BiH. Sve do tog momenta dokle vi muslimani ne pocnete da osudjujete svoje zlocine nad manjinama mi srbi ce mo da podrzavamo i Mladica i Karadzica, i Arkana....etc I'm not a Bosniak/Muslim. It's nice to know that you recognize what the Serbs did in the war. I recognize it, and I also recognize the horrors that the Croats and Muslims committed. I don't mean to imply at all that there were no Serb victims.. of course there were. But the fact of the matter is, the wars in the former Yugoslavia were initiated by the Serbs, and aggression is what Serbs are guilty of.. And that cost 100,000+ people their lives, and millions more their livelihoods. Will you admit fault to that? Sorry, there is no way you can justify war to me... no reason at all. And supporting the likes of Mladic, Karadzic and Arkan is wrong on so many levels.. for any reason.. Just like supporting any war criminal from the Croat and Bosniak sides. Anyone who does is completely brainwashed and sadistic. ETA - Sh1: I'll try to get back to you tomorrow. I'm way too tired to even attempt reading and replying back to you with any thought at all.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 30, 2009 0:21:23 GMT -5
Vinjak, very true what you write. Karabin right on the money. Shonic, the greatest info about Serbia since a long time. Cars in 1904? AMAZING.
Also i start to revise my positive stance about Yugoslavia.
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Post by zgembo on Apr 30, 2009 1:04:00 GMT -5
I will always have a positive stance about SFRJ because it achieved such harmonious co-existence and it developed such a great reputation and influence in the world... but everything Vinjak and Shone say is true. Serbs sacrificed the most for Yugoslavia to exist. Everyone else just benefited at our expense. Muslims and Macedonians got their own countries (while being assimilated in Bulgaria and Greece). Slovenia and Croatia got the majority of economic investment (when the time came for them to contribute to developing other regions, they bolted). The only benefit Serbs got was what they paid with dear blood in WW1, to be able to live united in one country. And then we were supposed to accept being minorities in the 1990s in these new countries which resembled modern-day reincarnations of WW2 NAZI puppet states?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 30, 2009 1:59:04 GMT -5
+1 for marko
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