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Post by dusko1 on Jan 1, 2010 19:03:15 GMT -5
This is inspired by the "Albanians Mistaken As Slavs" thread plus other topics I've read in other forums.
This poll is open for everyone but especially the Albanians here on this forum because I want to know what some of your opinions are. So do you consider Albanians to be white? Do you think they/you belong to an aryan or caucasian group of people? Do you consider them/yourselves to be 100% European? I'm not Albanian but I've seen lots of different variations of them. Some are white looking Balkan people who could easily pass as Slavs/White Caucasian & some are dark Turk-like or dark Mediterranean types (non-European). Honestly I'm not sure what to vote here. By doing this poll I'm not here to insult anyone here.
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Post by insomniac on Jan 1, 2010 19:07:53 GMT -5
What a joke thread. Seriously. Coming from a Serb who have all variety of people in their genetic pool. Don't you think this forum deserves to have some form of intelligent discussions?
Poll closed.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 2, 2010 4:11:10 GMT -5
Dusko is obviously trying to provoke probably because he's not happy with some comments by Albanians towards Montenegro. Anyway "white" is one of the most retarded classifications you can get. In South Africa if you're Turkish you can probably be considered white. If you're in Scandinavia anything south of Germany is not white. The prevailing racial classification from outsiders towards south slavs+Albanians is Dinaric. Although there is of course a LOT of variance even within the Dinaric classification.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jan 4, 2010 10:21:15 GMT -5
We're not white and we're not black, we're not European and we're not Asian, we're not moslem and we're not christian, we're simply Albanians. I now it's hard for you to grasp since today we live in a world full of classifications but it's just that simple.
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Post by dusko1 on Jan 4, 2010 12:34:03 GMT -5
We're not white and we're not black, we're not European and we're not Asian, we're not moslem and we're not christian, we're simply Albanians. I now it's hard for you to grasp since today we live in a world full of classifications but it's just that simple. Everything you said you're not is what you are. LOL. I've seen lots of pics of Albanians & it's mixed. First off Albania is in Europe therefore you are somewhat European but I say "somewhat" because Albanians have some dark mixtures in their people from the Turks & probably Kurds. It's very easy to notice. Plus you embraced a foreign non-European religion of islam. So hence this is why some of you don't consider yourself European or "white". Interesting.
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Post by ngadhnjyesi on Jan 4, 2010 14:06:12 GMT -5
Everything you said you're not is what you are. LOL. I've seen lots of pics of Albanians & it's mixed. First off Albania is in Europe therefore you are somewhat European but I say "somewhat" because Albanians have some dark mixtures in their people from the Turks & probably Kurds. It's very easy to notice. Plus you embraced a foreign non-European religion of islam. So hence this is why some of you don't consider yourself European or "white". Interesting. Racial, religious or geographic classifications change over time, What makes me an Albanian does not. I speak the language of my forefathers and will pass it on to my descendants. That is pretty much the only thing I care about. The only other defining characteristic of an Albanian is that they're not Slavs or Greeks, our mortal enemies. A philosopher (the name escapes me) once said something along the lines that "we usually define ourselves by not being our enemy." It may be an oversimplification but it surely contains a large dose of truth.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 5, 2010 22:04:49 GMT -5
Albanians have not mixed extensively since we have been by and large an isolated mountainous people. Our lands have never been extensively colonized by outsiders in regards to most areas (exception being territories in the lowlands, central heart of the Albanian people were the mountains of the central-northern Albania and we migrated from that point). From there we have had some extensive admixture with the populations we have met, Serbs or Greeks or Vlachs, but nothing all too heavy.
That being said, I consider myself to be neither "European" nor "white" but, as Ngadho said, simply Albanian. I do not define with the historical and cultural heritage of Europe nor the middle east (since my people have a unique position of being in between these worlds). The term "white" is a 19th century invented concept that has no basis in reality. It was nothing more than the creation of imperialist Europeans to differentiate themselves from the "savage" people that they conquered. We Albanians, not being part of these groups, dont really fit in that category.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Jan 5, 2010 22:39:05 GMT -5
We're not white and we're not black, we're not European and we're not Asian, we're not moslem and we're not christian, we're simply Albanians. I now it's hard for you to grasp since today we live in a world full of classifications but it's just that simple. Everything you said you're not is what you are. LOL. I've seen lots of pics of Albanians & it's mixed. First off Albania is in Europe therefore you are somewhat European but I say "somewhat" because Albanians have some dark mixtures in their people from the Turks & probably Kurds. It's very easy to notice. Plus you embraced a foreign non-European religion of islam. So hence this is why some of you don't consider yourself European or "white". Interesting. what do you think serbs, are white?...have you seen your people from your president to several player that are very mixed? , you stupid kid... islam is like christian ,both are non-european
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Post by dusko1 on Jan 6, 2010 1:07:45 GMT -5
Everything you said you're not is what you are. LOL. I've seen lots of pics of Albanians & it's mixed. First off Albania is in Europe therefore you are somewhat European but I say "somewhat" because Albanians have some dark mixtures in their people from the Turks & probably Kurds. It's very easy to notice. Plus you embraced a foreign non-European religion of islam. So hence this is why some of you don't consider yourself European or "white". Interesting. what do you think serbs, are white?...have you seen your people from your president to several player that are very mixed? , you stupid kid... islam is like christian ,both are non-european Sure there's some dark Serbs but majority are white & no I'm not a stupid kid. LOL Dude, I'm white. I know Serbs are mixed people but it's safe to say we are white, caucasian, aryan or whatever you want to classify as white LOL Yes you are right about islam & christianity both being non-european. They are in fact middle eastern desert cults.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 8, 2010 18:08:45 GMT -5
Your slavs... therefore you cant be "Aryan".
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Post by dusko1 on Jan 17, 2010 20:18:40 GMT -5
Your slavs... therefore you cant be "Aryan". Slavs, Celts, Germanics, & Persians(northern) are aryan.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jan 17, 2010 20:39:17 GMT -5
How are you defining Aryan? As an Iranic group they are an elite priestly class derived from some proto-IE group. It has no real racial significance.
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Post by dusko1 on Jan 17, 2010 23:01:15 GMT -5
^ I'm defining Aryan as caucasian & Indo-European. There's too much to get into when defining the word Aryan. We could go on forever discussing this.
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Post by Nikola on Jan 25, 2010 22:45:48 GMT -5
The term "white" doesn't really have a defined meaning. Here in Australia, all Balkan people (and some eastern Europeans) are non-white. In the US, from what I understand, even middle easterners are "white".
My opinion; Albanians are just as white as all other Balkan people. That is to say, some Albanians are very fair, while others are dark, just like every other country in the Balkans.
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Post by dusko1 on Jan 27, 2010 8:57:41 GMT -5
The term "white" doesn't really have a defined meaning. Here in Australia, all Balkan people (and some eastern Europeans) are non-white. In the US, from what I understand, even middle easterners are "white". My opinion; Albanians are just as white as all other Balkan people. That is to say, some Albanians are very fair, while others are dark, just like every other country in the Balkans. All Balkan people & eastern Europeans are non-white in Australia? Please explain? All Balkan & Eastern Europeans I know are white.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jan 27, 2010 9:24:22 GMT -5
Dusko I think his point is the term "white" can be attributed to more then physical characteristics ...... "white" could be used a social term used by majority to suppress the minority. For example, in America there was a hypodescent law that was established to prevent "blacks" from owning land. Basically if a person had some black ancestors, then they were considered balck. In some states, you could have 1/32 of black ancestry and you would still be considered "black. Physical characteristics did not come into play into being "white", instead it was used as a social caste system to limit the rights of peoples of African descent.
I was raised in a white suburban American neighborhood where 95% of my classmates were 3rd or 4th generation Americans from Europe. I look "white".........sh*t I've never been mistaken for anything South of Croatia. However, I don't think my classmates would consider myself white as they would. I had a foreign name, different traditions and was even of a different religious background. In their view, they equated "white" to being American. But if I were in the middle of say Compton, I bet all the blacks would call me "white boy."
"White" is a relative term that has no real meaning.
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Post by Nikola on Jan 27, 2010 9:30:05 GMT -5
All Balkan people & eastern Europeans are non-white in Australia? Please explain? All Balkan & Eastern Europeans I know are white. This is the way the Anglo-Saxon population of Australia classifies people who are not from northern Europe. People from southern and (some from) eastern Europe are not white. It's screwed up but that's Australians for you.
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