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Post by aayy on Jan 26, 2010 12:05:49 GMT -5
How were the main historical events interpreted in your school history lessons?
Such events as say 1876-1878 war, I and II Balkan wars, WWI, WWII, etc.?
Who were "good guys" and "bad guys" then? What were the ambitions and motivations of the sides and how the results of the wars were interpreted?
In which country and in what time did/do you study at school (university)?
Did you agree with all you were told at school or you believed more to the version you heard from your older friends/relatives?
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 1, 2010 22:42:59 GMT -5
Good question. I hated History lessons due to the 2 crappy teachers I hate. One was a true stereotypical dinosaur evil little old goblin women, the other a crazy red headed piercinged alcoholic bi.tch.... I went to school in London, from what I remember we were first taught about dinosaurs LOL and then Vikings, from Vikings to Anglo saxons etc.. to the kingdoms, to the United Kingdom,,, yawn yawn yawn....still in primary school we learnt about Marcus Garvey, why ? duno.. In the 3rd grade where I unfotunately decided to pick history over geography or RE (dads advise .. at least u can understand when people discuss history over dinner!? ..what.. anyway) We learned about The Civil Rights movement in America - Rosa Parks U rock- Ghandi (yawn) ww2 - Hitler (yawn) Musollini - yawn Much was told about the British empire, yet never a mention about the Ottomans the Brits r smart right Blacks were right, Indians were abused, Hitler and Mussolini were mentally unstable. this is what we learnt.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 2, 2010 0:12:33 GMT -5
If you think thats bad try learning about Australian history blah half of it is learning about how aboriginals were mistreated and the other half are just the world wars where "Britain was at war so Australia was also at war" and then womens roles during those wars. That's pretty much it.
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Post by aayy on Feb 18, 2010 12:14:02 GMT -5
Desire, I liked my history lessons, our teachers were not bad and the subject itself was/is very interesting for me. When we learned about Russian Empire, both positive and negative aspects were stressed, while when we learned about European country's colonies, only negative features were mentioned. The same about Ottoman Empire. We had/have very negative impression conserning Ottoman Empire and a little bit more neutral conserning nowaday Turkey. On reading comments by some Turkish participants (including you) in these forums I improved my perception about Turkish people BTW What is yawn?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 18, 2010 12:43:56 GMT -5
Such events as say 1876-1878 war, I and II Balkan wars, WWI, WWII, etc.?
When I was in communist ruled Yugoslavia so many things were made to appear black and white (evil versus good) in 1970s and 1980s.
Some Points
01.Capitalist exploitative imperialist West was evil while east wasnt. 02.Chetnics, Ustasha were evil collaborators while Partizans were not. 03.Mandatory read was Partizan offensives in WW2. 04.Hitler and Mussolini were evil lunatics. 05.Ottoman Empire was an evil empire. 06.Austrian empire was evil (Gavrilo Princip was a hero) 07.Serbs were discouraged from being proud of their nationality. 08.Importance of Parisian commune from 1871 09. Importance of teachings by Carl Marx. 10. Importance of October revolution in Russia 1917 by the 'people'
PS: My favorite classes by far were History (except communist related subjects were were boring cause of all the propaganda) and Geography.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 19, 2010 8:54:44 GMT -5
yawn, is that action of breathing in and out when u feel sleepy. I don't think the Brits are very objective when teaching the Brit empire Oh I forgot to say China, ooo those evil communists.
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 19, 2010 16:58:22 GMT -5
Egyptians...Greeks...Romans...very little Middle Age...French Revolution...and then the last three years very intensively German history...1848/49, 1871, WWI, 1933 with WWII, 1949 with cold war and finally 1990 the reunification. The most intensive part of all was the time of 1848-1939 though. It was my favourite subject and I was the best of the whole age group. Those were times...
As for how biased the lessons were in general...well the monarchy and the dictatorship of Hitler were always badmouthed. Events like the 1848/49 revolution were always praised...as well as the democratic type of rule. Although I did not always agree with what they taught us I knew what was written in the books so it was no problem to say what the teachers wanted to hear or especially to write what they wanted to read. In Germany it is a total tabu to badmouth democracy. At least today...
Personally I always felt sympathy for the monarchy of Germany with Bismarck as imperial chancellor. Those were by far the greatest days of Germany and also the best politicians and rulers this country had at this time...personalities with rough edges. Not like the todays democratic sissies.
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 19, 2010 17:14:24 GMT -5
I also attended Greek lessons and in history we learned about the revolution most of all. The Ottomans being the bad and our people the heroes who kicked them in the arse...extremely biased and not very scientific because there was too much of glorification and thats never good if you want to give scientific lessons.
I would have prefered to talk about the many treaties that gave us factual independence step by step and to analyze all circumstances...the role of the British...the French...the Russians...and their own interest for a Greek independence. We did hardly talk about the role the European countries....we did also not learn about Byzantine history which is also essential if you want to understand modern Greek history.
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Post by yeni on Feb 19, 2010 22:45:10 GMT -5
lot of ancient history, civilisations of the fertile crescent , greeks, romans... then since middle ages around 80-90% of the lessons were european history + a lot of Hung history of course. as i can recall only little about the balkans compared to other parts of europe. and the rest of the world mentioned in few lessons too.
1876-78 and the Balkan wars were only mentioned briefly, the dates, countries participated in it and the consuequences in short, there was no judging about who was good or bad... ww1 we were victims who didn’t want to be in the war.., ww2 again we were victims of the international situation and all sides were bad... lol
world history teaching was i think neutral, in Hungarian history we generally like to portray ourself poor victims, and the events between 1918-1956 are still controversal so depends on the teacher how s/he teach them.
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 20, 2010 0:21:14 GMT -5
Learn about the British,Dutch and Portuguese colonization of my country and the Japanese occupation in WW2.
Learn about the Malaccan Sultanates,the lives of people from the hunter gatherer times till the modern era.
Learn about the Ancient Greece, Rome, India, China, Egypt, Ottoman Empire, The Arab Muslim Empires, the European colonization and takeover of the world, Industrial Revolution, Renaissance,learn abit about the Turkic tribes menacing in Europe, the immigration of Chinese and Indians to my country, the road to indepence,learn about the break-up of continental European Empires because of nationalism, and gosh many more.
oh we never learn about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust of those peoples.Just one mention I think of Adolf Hitler.
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Post by aayy on Feb 20, 2010 10:50:58 GMT -5
Desire,
How did those guys Ghandy, Hitler and Mussolini make you yawn? Even Hitler?
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Post by aayy on Feb 20, 2010 11:20:30 GMT -5
AAdmin,
We learned about the same things in the USSR, just the role of Chetnicks in WWII were not described in details as far as I remember. Have you completely changed your views since your school time or just understood thiat things are not black and white?
hellboy, Was the colonial time portrayed only in black?
Castorianos,What do Germans teach their children about WWI? Do Greek people in Germany organize special Greek lessons for their children?
yeni,
Did you attend school after the collapse of comunist system in Europe? Who were victims in WWI - hungarians or Austro-Hungary as a country?
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Post by yeni on Feb 20, 2010 12:56:37 GMT -5
aayyyes, i started school in 1990, the first class who started it after the fall of commies. and the Hungarians and the Hungarian part of A-H. @hellboy what is the opinion about Japanese occupation in Malaysia? were they seen as liberators or opressors? was there local collaboration with them?
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Post by aayy on Feb 20, 2010 15:25:04 GMT -5
yeni,
As I understand you, Hungarians didn't approve A-H Empire's attack of Serbia in 1914?
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Post by yeni on Feb 20, 2010 16:45:57 GMT -5
well Franz Ferdinand and the Hungarians didnt really like each other. after the assassination of the archduke the Hun primeminister opposed the attack on Serbia, mostly because didn't want more south slavs in the country, only gave support after Austrians promised that Serbia won't be annexed. and the peace treaty after the war is seen as a way too harsh and unfair punishment. we still love to whine about it all the time
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Post by aayy on Feb 20, 2010 17:16:16 GMT -5
Interesting. So what was the purpose of A-H attack on Serbia if not annexation?
Do you mean the peace treaty was harsh for Hungary? Why was it bad?
Do Hungarians have nostalgia about A-H time?
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Post by yeni on Feb 20, 2010 18:36:21 GMT -5
in short term only occupation im not sure that they themself had long term plans, most likely installing some sort of puppet regime in Serbia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trianon_Treatyhalf of the ppl hate Habsburgs, other half like them but 1867-1914 was a very positive part of our history. now its another question was it doomed from the first moment or not...
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Post by aayy on Feb 21, 2010 3:50:27 GMT -5
Was the territory which Hungary lost, inhabited by ethnic Hungarians? If you have nostalgia over former A-H, you can join Austria now and make one more A-H
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Post by nilofer on Feb 21, 2010 8:21:12 GMT -5
We had 3 different teachers in 3 years so history lessons were quite messed up.
The first teacher died of a heart attack within the first month of our first year...so we got a new, young substitute teacher for the rest of that year, who was very gulliable and not very good. The following year we got this fucked up bitch teacher who taught us a lot of social studies/politics related bullshit. I haaated her classes! I didn't really pay much attention to them, but I remember we learned about the Great Depression, some Cuba, Vietnam, Korea war stuff, about different political systems (especially communism), the Israel-Palestine issue, 2nd World War, more communism and economy...so boring.
History was definitely one of my most detested subjects (along with maths, physics, biology, sports, art and Danish). Yuck...I liked English, French, Mythology and chemistry a lot...
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 21, 2010 10:30:49 GMT -5
hellboy, Was the colonial time portrayed only in black? In Black? You mean like all bad? If you mean that,well,yeah I guess so.They did mention that the Brits brought the railways,the education style here,but they never said talked about it as positive contribution. It was mostly like oooh they colonized us,they did this this this... The textbook was propogandaistic,particularly in regards to Islam.Like you know,it covers everything thats why goverments must be Islamic based and that in Islam all is good bla bla thats why the Balkanians converted in large numbers,that in Islam people are treated well etc... It even mentioned at the end of the section of the Iberian takeover of the Americas that because of the European advancement,we(meaning the ones reading it,Malaysians) should be innovative and the like to progress.......
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