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Post by iskender on Feb 27, 2008 16:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by pagane on Feb 28, 2008 10:50:02 GMT -5
What evidence except the pink dreams of fyromian lunatics?
For a very first? Go and check some other sources, my friend. This fyromian pile of nonsenses will teach you nothing.
Actually part of the Bulgars under Kuber settled in today's macedonia that was almost depopulated at that time and after two centuries united with Bulgaria.
And so on and so forth....
Why the efforts, Iskender? Isn't it a bit humiliating to post articles that the whole world laughs at?
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Post by besarab on Feb 28, 2008 11:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by besarab on Feb 28, 2008 11:14:51 GMT -5
ancient bulgarian names are absent among makedonians-haha check the name ,,krum'',gruio'' and many more
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Post by besarab on Feb 28, 2008 11:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 28, 2008 16:18:00 GMT -5
seriously dude, stop reading the bs on that site and posting it here, their arguments have been refuted many a times.
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Post by iskender on Feb 28, 2008 17:37:52 GMT -5
Yes they refused only from tatars, but not of intelegent people and other nation
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Post by Kubrat on Feb 28, 2008 22:59:50 GMT -5
actually, they've been refuted by many intellectual peoples. you're just being a racist bigot, congratulations.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 4, 2008 21:52:18 GMT -5
It just strengthens my opinion about a mixed origins for Vardar (Bulgar, serb and to a degree Greek).
Guys, do you think that its possible for a couple of people showing some mongolism to be from the Cumans, since Kumanovo is supposedly named from them?
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Post by ioan on Mar 4, 2008 23:36:11 GMT -5
It just strengthens my opinion about a mixed origins for Vardar (Bulgar, serb and to a degree Greek). Guys, do you think that its possible for a couple of people showing some mongolism to be from the Cumans, since Kumanovo is supposedly named from them? Try again, the cumans were dark haired, white skinned, blue eyed people. So much for them being mongoloid. The cummans were as mongaloid as the Bulgars were. And sorry but fyroms were always Bulgarian. Hardly any Serbs. Maybe some lived on the northwest. Now of course the fyrom do have an influence from the serbs, due to the propaganda and the serb rule for over 100 years. Even that didnt make the fyrom Serbs. They were always Bulgarian.
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Post by bb681 on Mar 5, 2008 3:29:50 GMT -5
It just strengthens my opinion about a mixed origins for Vardar (Bulgar, serb and to a degree Greek). Guys, do you think that its possible for a couple of people showing some mongolism to be from the Cumans, since Kumanovo is supposedly named from them? This mongoloism myth comes from people around the Vardar that have never been to Bulgaria or have at the very most been to the Pirin part which for some reason they think it belongs to them since it resembles their place while supposedly for the rest of the country, they would still assume that the lifestyle and the places should be like in Mongolia or some place like that.
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Post by blagun on Mar 5, 2008 11:35:06 GMT -5
Hi guys i'm new here,but as expected there is a FYROMian spreading his hate towards everybody and everything. Turko-Mongolic Bulgars my oh my,about the turko part of the old Bulgars it's still debatable but mongoloid!?! Not that I,or any Bulgarian for that matter,have to proove something to a FYROMian(and that's not the same as Macedonian ) but...just a small example "The necropolises, although still poorly studied, show that the pit burials in Crimea are closely related to the typical Proto-Bulgarian burials of the 'Zlivka' type. Europeid brachyocranic types, rarely with Mongoloid features, predominate ..." Ju.D. Benevolenskaja. Antropologicheskie materialii iz srednevekoviih mogil'nikov Jugo-Zapadnogo Kriima. - MIA, 168, s. 196 sl. www.kroraina.com/p_bulgar/p_bulg9.html There are many more archeological,anthropologica etc studies from REAL scientists that point to the conclusion that Proto Bulgars were Caucasoid,some might have been with Mongoloid features but that's expected considering the fact they mixed with diffrent peoples from the Eurasian steppes.If it was the opposite(them being originally Mongoloid with some later and minor Caucasoid admixtures) I guarantee you that today there would have been at least 15% mongoloid Bulgarians which is not the case as you very well know
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Post by pagane on Mar 5, 2008 11:46:50 GMT -5
Now there are 0.6% Mongoloid features in the Bulgarians. End of story. Not that fyromians will stop barking but they are hopeless.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 5, 2008 18:15:49 GMT -5
"Try again, the cumans were dark haired, white skinned, blue eyed people. So much for them being mongoloid. The cummans were as mongaloid as the Bulgars were. And sorry but fyroms were always Bulgarian. Hardly any Serbs. Maybe some lived on the northwest. Now of course the fyrom do have an influence from the serbs, due to the propaganda and the serb rule for over 100 years. Even that didnt make the fyrom Serbs. They were always Bulgarian."
The name Kumanovo?
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Post by bb681 on Mar 5, 2008 18:45:10 GMT -5
what about it?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 5, 2008 21:13:02 GMT -5
^ does it refer to the cumans town?
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Post by bb681 on Mar 5, 2008 23:25:43 GMT -5
I cant say for sure but if Wikipedia is to be trusted, its name is derived from the Cuman tribe that settled there in 12-13th century. I dont know how they explain that event to themselves though(or simply ignore it and take it as the name was randomly chosen). Its a bit of a similar case with Hristo Tatarchev(one of the VMRO founders) who we consider Bulgarian and they - Macedonian. I mean I know that surnames do not point to anything but in this case its just ironic.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 6, 2008 0:40:23 GMT -5
^ your right.
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Post by pagane on Mar 6, 2008 4:04:07 GMT -5
An acquaintance of mine bears the family name of Kumanov. There are people with the name of Madjarov. Some guys even have the name of Makedonski ;D
As for the Cumans - only a silly fyromian can claim they were mongoloid. Their propaganda knows no limits in its stupidity.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Mar 6, 2008 21:38:34 GMT -5
"Maybe some lived on the northwest. Now of course the fyrom do have an influence from the serbs, due to the propaganda and the serb rule for over 100 years. Even that didnt make the fyrom Serbs. They were always Bulgarian."
Don't get me wrong l do think that this Vardar is a mixed ethnic area but its far from just saying its purely one.
Heinrich Mullers Turkish Chronicle, published-on-main in 1577 says: "However valiantly the Serbian people fought in Macedonia, the Sultan nevertheless occupied the serbian towns of Serrai, Strumica, Philippopolis and Veles."
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