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Post by besarab on Jun 3, 2008 1:55:24 GMT -5
this is a question to every participants from ex yugoslavia plus rezus. here are some symple facts bulgarians first appearance in europe is yet in 3th century AD.in 354AD they have been mentioned in ,,anonimous roman chronograph''as a nation along with many of the other nations in ancient world. www.kroraina.com/armen/latin_chron.htmlin5,6and7 century AD bulgarians participated in series of miliary campaigns against eastern and western roman empires,in the begining of 7nt century they established theyr first empire[old great bulgaria],that after the hazar invasion splited in two-volga bulgaria and danubian bulgaria.those two states turned into empires them self......... tatars were one of the components of the mongol horde.theyr first appearance in europe was not untill 13 century.then they managed to conquer volga bulgaria only after two years of bloody war with bulgarians.after that war the bulgarian state was exterminated and half of volga bulgarians slaughtered. fortunately the bg culture in volga bg survived and even now the people in former volga bulgaria are divided on tatars and bulgarians.a very strong movement of volga bulgarians insists the name of the state to be changed from tatarstan into volga bulgaria.the leaders of the movement are pursued and even tortured by tatar authoritys. as you clearly can see the bulgarians are atleast 1000 years older nation than tatars.furthermore -they have long history of hostility and wars with tatars.so how can they be tatars
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Post by benkovski on Jun 8, 2008 2:38:51 GMT -5
The sad thing is that this whole Volga Tatar thing is in a parallel with the whole Ancient Macedonian deal.
The term Tatar is very ambiguous, and many seem to use it in a hateful way. The funny part is that usually, those that use ‘Tatar’ as a derogatory term are so ignorant and limited in their perspective that all their knowledge is based on ultra-national propaganda built on hateful sentiments toward ones neighboring states. The term itself takes on various meanings. And, if we are getting technical, any person of any race that was subjected by the Mongols could have been designated as a Tatar.
As far as I know, the republic of Tatarstan was known as Bulgaristan until about the early 20th century. The Russian government purposefully changed its name. The same type of divide and conquer politics were used on the descendents of the Volga Bulgarians as on the Macedono-Bulgarians. The purpose was to destabilize the geographical region, whether Volga Bulgaria or Macedono-Bulgaria, by disuniting a single people into smaller factions.
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Post by ioan on Jun 8, 2008 4:47:29 GMT -5
benkovski, we are not one people, one nation with the people in Tatarstan. Maybe, some of their fathers were bulgars as some of ours were, but this doesnt make us one people. We are mixed nation of Thracians, Slavs and Bulgars, we speak different language, we have different culture. On the other hand the so called Macedonians are pure Bulgarians, because they do share our origin, language, culture and lifestyle.
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Post by benkovski on Jun 8, 2008 17:52:31 GMT -5
Ioan, I agree that there are different ethnic groups that played a role in the development in the Volga Bulgarians and the Danube Bulgarians, but we are closer than you think.
The point I was making is that Russia was trying to de-Bulgarize the areas of Volga Bulgarian by calling its inhabitants Tatars. In a similar way Serbia wanted to de-Bulgarizse Macedonia by calling them Macedonians.
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