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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2008 20:40:41 GMT -5
How do you explain surnames like Srbinovski, Milosavlevski, Stanisavevski Dobrivoyeski, Yovanovski (not: Ivanovski), Kneževski (not: Knezovski), Stanoykovski, Đorđevski (not: Georgievski), Kraljevski (not:Kralevski), Dimitriyevski (not: Dimitrovski), Stanoykovski (not: Stankovski), Vukadinovski (not: Volkadinovski), Vučkovski (not: Volčevski)............and many others............
This are only names with specific Serbian roots, unknown in Bulgarian or with different form.Demonstrating the Serbian character of the bearers of a surname that has root present both in Bulgaria and Serbia, i.e Živkovski, Arsovski, Nikolovski, Petrovski, Stankovski etc. is not possible based solely on them.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 21, 2008 21:05:45 GMT -5
Private name "Srbin" ("a Serb") in FYROM/Ottoman census,18th century
Vilayet of Veles, village of Jabolchiste:
„Novak Burhanin,; Tome Belche, Bogche, Todor, son of Belche; Hrchko, brother of Pecko; Pejo, son of Danche, Vlkashin, Srbin; Gjurash, Srbin, Rade Stari; Dojchin, his son; Gjorgjo, son of Rade; Rale Momchil; Hrlo, son of Dapko; Brajko, son of Kovach; Ivan; Stale,son of Stojan; Rale, son of Stojan; Stepan, Srbin; Dabe; Pejchin, son of Rade...†(Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 143)
village of Dobrushevo, Vilayet of Prilep: „Bogdan Srbin; Marko, his son, Dimitri son of Gruban...Dimitri son of Srbin; Todor son of Srbin, Pejo son of Rajcho... (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 60)
village of Sopotnica, northwest from Krushevo: â€Ivanish Stale; Stanisha Mano; Petko, Srbin; Petar, Srbin; Stajko Srbin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 540)
village of Divjaci, northwest od Krushevo: â€Jandro, Srbin; Miho son of Srbin; Dimitri son of Srbin, Petko son of the priest...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 541)
village of Volkoselo, nahiya of Prilep; â€Bogavec, Srbin; Stanisha son in law of Bogdan...Stanisha, Srbin; Pejo, son of Tonchin...„ (Turski dokumenti za istorijata na makedonskiot narod, Skopje, 1971, str 95)
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2008 3:34:48 GMT -5
It is simple Novi, fyromaks are serbs, just like bosnian muslims are serbs. Serbs that for personal stubborn reasons tried to become something else in the way.
Let's not also forget that during ottoman times, surnames were not smth standard, but rather were given by the local authorities. I know my last name, was given after 1910, and means nothing in greek/turk/serb/alb/vlach.
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Post by besarab on Jun 22, 2008 5:04:29 GMT -5
cmon novo dont be so funy u know that majority of all those names are politicaly expedient names like sinisa,zoran ,zorica etc dont exist in the list of mak names before 1913.look www.promacedonia.org/ap_zarovo/ap_8.htm#1 here u can see planty of names -mainly of bulgarian origin but greek names as well.not a single serbian name be more serious my man
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Post by besarab on Jun 22, 2008 5:12:05 GMT -5
:)i also wanna share with you some facts and show you some documents about the origin of as called kosovo serbs but this is another story
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2008 5:19:19 GMT -5
:)i also wanna share with you some facts and show you some documents about the origin of as called kosovo serbs but this is another story we are holding breath.... but maybe, i say maybe, one would expect that at the HEART of SERBIA, naturally SERBS live there... btw, are u arab?
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Post by besarab on Jun 22, 2008 6:36:17 GMT -5
yes i am--like most of ur ancestors re munga why a bird told me that at the heart of serbia albanians live there
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2008 7:45:26 GMT -5
look nigger, we kinda like and helped a lot palestinians. however if you insist on your jihadist ideologies, then when the times comes, we th white orthodox nations of light should, kick apart from some western asses, a lot of arab niggers as well. funker.
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Post by besarab on Jun 22, 2008 8:09:51 GMT -5
you think i am nigger and you are a member of a white nation hahahah.greeks-a white nation hahah look malaka-we-the palestinians are quite more white and blond than you re --gama stavros sou re ;D ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 22, 2008 14:22:57 GMT -5
kai skizw thn kolara ths afrikanas ths manas sou, ilithie. Malaka ftaime emeis pou yposthrizame thn indifanda.
shame on you afrikan.
as far as my stavros is concerned,
i funk your koran and allah and i hit with the shoe your gay father. afrikan. neega...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 22, 2008 18:47:25 GMT -5
"It is simple Novi, fyromaks are serbs"
Pyrro bro, l think they are mixed but once again its to show the readers here that the 19th century propaganda is not *entirely* right since most of the historians were unaware of what was happening in vardar in that century, hence why they wrote about them being explicitly bulgarian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 23, 2008 6:57:05 GMT -5
"be more serious my man"
Bes my friend, but do you agree that they are names of a serbian root, l agree that vardarians have both serbian and bulgarian names....its a very mixed region we are dealing with here!.
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Post by besarab on Jun 23, 2008 8:01:54 GMT -5
yes -now they have serbian names along with bulgarian and greek ones.but i notice this again--such names as sinisa,lubisa,zoran,branko or branka are in use there after 1913-u know what i mean.serbian influence in vardaria was insignificant before balkan wars,but now vardarians are more pro serb than pro bg and this is another undisputable fact -- i accept it despite i dont like it
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Post by besarab on Jun 23, 2008 8:50:00 GMT -5
ohh -pyrro -pyrro ;D pantothiname Allah, voithise afto to amoiro pethi na vrei xana tis rizes tis pragmatikis thriskeias. kai an then mporesei tote afise tin orfgi tis indifada na pesei epano tou
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 11:20:11 GMT -5
Entaksei malaka, sthn epomenh diadhlwsh tha paw me thn xrysh augh na varame negrous africanous san kai esena.
Mpravo malaka, wraia kshgieste stous elaxistous symmaxous sas. Tha pate mprosta!!
eisai o west bank boy? o aravo-tetoios ? apo thn ougaria ? pou yposthrizei oti lahei ekeinh thn stigmh? Mono sthn malakia fainesai statheros arapi!!
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 23, 2008 12:07:21 GMT -5
Halloooo... Don't write in other than English, Macedonian (or Bulgarian) lang. here!
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 23, 2008 14:42:12 GMT -5
I wrote in makedonian which is identical to greek.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 23, 2008 16:04:54 GMT -5
Listen, guys, cut this malaka stuff please! No need to offend each other. We had some pretty civilized discussions so far, no need to get into insults and I am sure each one of us is capable to oofend the opponent. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 23, 2008 18:51:05 GMT -5
"yes -now they have serbian names along with bulgarian and greek ones.but i notice this again--such names as sinisa,lubisa,zoran,branko or branka are in use there after 1913-u know what i mean.serbian influence in vardaria was insignificant before balkan wars,but now vardarians are more pro serb than pro bg and this is another undisputable fact -- i accept it despite i dont like it"
Bes you must realise that before balkan wars it could never have happened because the exarchate was the influence, during the communist period, the communists denationalised all nationalities because a smaller serbia means a stronger yugoslavia, hence the name macedonia and all nationalities getting a ski ending, even the albanians received this suffix. So it could never have happened during the 20th century!.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 24, 2008 2:07:30 GMT -5
Listen, guys, cut this malaka stuff please! No need to offend each other. We had some pretty civilized discussions so far, no need to get into insults and I am sure each one of us is capable to oofend the opponent. Thanks in advance. Sorry.
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