Post by serban on Jul 21, 2008 6:34:37 GMT -5
Let's admit that Bulgarian and Macedonian are different languages. That doesn't mean that the Pirin dialects are Macedonian dialects. In fact the Dachsprache theory proves they are Bulgarian dialects.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausbausprache
Bulgarian standard language shares more common words with Pirin dialects than Macedonian. For instance pronoun is named mestoimenie in Bulgarian and Pirin dialects and (probably, I don't speak Macedonian) zamenica as in Serbian in Macedonian.
Macedonian is a former Bulgarian dialect heavily influenced by Serbian.
Macedonians base their territorial claims on Pirin Macedonia on their theory that there are Macedonian ethnics there who speak Macedonian dialects which is the same as claiming that the Germany's Low German territory is actually Dutch and should become part of the Netherlands and Germany's whole Middle German territory should be claimed by Luxembourg. In fact Bulgarian and Macedonian are not only much more closely related than (High) German and Dutch they are mutually intelligible. The relationship between German and Dutch is more similar to that between Bulgarian and Serbian although the latter are also mutually intelligible.
Macedonian language is a tochtersprache (daughterlanguage) of Bulgarian.
Dutch is a t.s. of (Low) German. Dutch and Luxembourgish are the only former German dialects to become official language of independent countries. Macedonian is the only former Bulgarian dialect to become official language of an independent country. The other Low German dialects have not become official state languages which, according to Macedonian "logic", would entitle the Dutch as speakers of the sole independent representative of Low German to claim the Germany's whole Low German territory. Afrikaans is a t.s. of Dutch and therefore irrelevant to this matter.
All Low German dialects spoken in present-day Germany are considered German dialects including the Low Franconian subdialects from which Dutch has evolved. German functions as a dachsprache for all Germany-based dialects of the High German-Dutch dialect continuum in the same way as Bulgarian functions as a dachsprache for all Bulgaria-based dialects of the Bulgarian-Macedonian dialect continuum.
I would like to know what other features do Bulgarian standard language and Pirin language share except the common words and the present of schwa sound? Also is it true that Bulgarian possesses two schwas, one in stressed and one in unstressed position? I mean is the first y in ygyl (corner) different than the second one? Also I would like to know if there are Pirin dialects with fixed stress as in Macedonian and with no schwas.
Thank you
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausbausprache
Bulgarian standard language shares more common words with Pirin dialects than Macedonian. For instance pronoun is named mestoimenie in Bulgarian and Pirin dialects and (probably, I don't speak Macedonian) zamenica as in Serbian in Macedonian.
Macedonian is a former Bulgarian dialect heavily influenced by Serbian.
Macedonians base their territorial claims on Pirin Macedonia on their theory that there are Macedonian ethnics there who speak Macedonian dialects which is the same as claiming that the Germany's Low German territory is actually Dutch and should become part of the Netherlands and Germany's whole Middle German territory should be claimed by Luxembourg. In fact Bulgarian and Macedonian are not only much more closely related than (High) German and Dutch they are mutually intelligible. The relationship between German and Dutch is more similar to that between Bulgarian and Serbian although the latter are also mutually intelligible.
Macedonian language is a tochtersprache (daughterlanguage) of Bulgarian.
Dutch is a t.s. of (Low) German. Dutch and Luxembourgish are the only former German dialects to become official language of independent countries. Macedonian is the only former Bulgarian dialect to become official language of an independent country. The other Low German dialects have not become official state languages which, according to Macedonian "logic", would entitle the Dutch as speakers of the sole independent representative of Low German to claim the Germany's whole Low German territory. Afrikaans is a t.s. of Dutch and therefore irrelevant to this matter.
All Low German dialects spoken in present-day Germany are considered German dialects including the Low Franconian subdialects from which Dutch has evolved. German functions as a dachsprache for all Germany-based dialects of the High German-Dutch dialect continuum in the same way as Bulgarian functions as a dachsprache for all Bulgaria-based dialects of the Bulgarian-Macedonian dialect continuum.
I would like to know what other features do Bulgarian standard language and Pirin language share except the common words and the present of schwa sound? Also is it true that Bulgarian possesses two schwas, one in stressed and one in unstressed position? I mean is the first y in ygyl (corner) different than the second one? Also I would like to know if there are Pirin dialects with fixed stress as in Macedonian and with no schwas.
Thank you