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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 1, 2010 22:14:01 GMT -5
Gallup poll: 75 percent of Kosovo Albanian want a "Greater Albania"
Three quarters of Kosovo Albanians and 70 percent of Albanians in Albania support the formation of a "Greater Albania", while near half of them believe this would be real in the near future, according to a Gallup poll.
(KosovoCompromise Staff) Monday, February 01, 2010
A total of 74.5 percent Kosovo Albanians supported the idea of forming a single state which would be inhabited by ethnic Albanians, and 47.3 percent believe this ambition would be realized soon.
Albanians today also live in northwestern Greece , western Macedonia , southern Serbia and southern Montenegro .
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Post by leshte on Feb 3, 2010 0:36:43 GMT -5
Ok few things to point out here.
1. What was the sample size? For example was it 4 or 4000 people. Obviously that matters. 2. What is the margin of error? Based on the sample size that could very anywhere from 5% to 25% and up. 3. What was the demographic? University degree holders, city dwellers, villagers, old people, young people? 4. What was the actual question that was asked? 5. When was this question asked? For example what was going on politically at that time; were ICJ proceeding on TV when the question was asked? 6. How was the actual question asked? It matters for example if the question is asked in a suggestive way. For example if it was asked like this: "Wouldn't it be great if Kosova and Albania were one state?" obviously most people would answer positively. 7. What medium was used to gather the data? Obviously this matters as well. In person versus through the phone or the internet yield different results. 8. How do others, such as Serbs, when the same sample, the same demographic, the same question, asked under the same political conditions, using the same medium, do compared to the Albanians?
Do you happen to have any of that info I'm asking Novi; because the way you posted it here it doesn't mean much. While Galup is usually a respected source, if I remember well, it did have McCain until election day winning by 4-5 points.
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Post by gavrilo on Feb 3, 2010 3:00:13 GMT -5
If you question Gallup then you question every major US source or statistic that usually is swayed towards Albanians instead of Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 3, 2010 3:48:21 GMT -5
Leshte, lets be real, l honestly believe 75% is a low figure. Nearly every single Alb here on the forum and elsewhere supports kosovo region to be unified with Albania.
P.S, do you think that we are stupid not to know?
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 3, 2010 6:03:43 GMT -5
Albanians today also live in northwestern Greece , western Macedonia , southern Serbia and southern Montenegro . Northwestern Greece?? The Osman-Arnavudlik ended some 70 years ago there...
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 3, 2010 11:13:39 GMT -5
Leshte, lets be real, l honestly believe 75% is a low figure. Nearly every single Alb here on the forum and elsewhere supports kosovo region to be unified with Albania. P.S, do you think that we are stupid not to know? I won't argue on someone's stupidity, but you're ignorant of Albanian polls.
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Post by ivo on Feb 3, 2010 11:39:25 GMT -5
So I have a question to the Albanian members of the forum.. don't Albanians in general want to have Kosova united with Albania? I was under the impression that most Albanians would want that, which is understandable. Even though I don't think any such unification will occur in the near future, I deffinitely think that it's a likely possibility for the distant future.
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Post by leshte on Feb 3, 2010 12:18:02 GMT -5
Novi, I ask because like Ermir said Gallup polls or for that matter even other polls held in Albania haven't been correct most of the time. The number could indeed be higher or lower. That can only be determined though if we knew the sample size, error margin, when the question was asked, how it was asked etc etc.
Asen there are those that would rather wait and see if Kosova would eventually get a UN seat, in the distant future maybe the very distant future, because they think that two votes in international forums are better than one. Now since there is no need for visas, or passports to move from Kosova to Albania and vice versa, but only a simple picture ID is sufficient, and since a Kosovar Albanian can get an Albanian citizenship whenever he wants, the markets have merged, I'd say at least people wise there has been a unification of sorts. The political institutions haven't merged but I don't think anyone is loosing sleep over whether either Thaci or Berisha should be the only prime minister.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Feb 3, 2010 12:25:15 GMT -5
The fact is Albanians will always strive for one thing only: our unification. Whether in Presheva, Ilirida, Kosova or Malesia (occupied Ulqin). These people will always resist assimilation and will look for whatever opportunity whatever to finally bring our lands into a natural ethnic position. As our population grows in the Balkans. This goal is not realized on a day to day basis but it is on the basis that Albanians in Skopje remain entirely divided from the rest of the Macedonians, we have our own growing quarter, speak only our language there, do not mix or deal with the rest.
This goes for the other regions aswell. We will never assimilate or accept it. It make not come today or tomorrow, or even in the next 100 years. However, so long as Albanians have children, they will always tell them never to accept living together with the Slav. Just like A RS Serb will always tell his son never to accept living with a Muslim. And further, anyone of the Albanians who steps over the boundary will always be degraded and insulted by the rest.
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Post by ivo on Feb 3, 2010 17:57:01 GMT -5
Actually, what Leshte said, makes a lot of sense. If the other UN seat is granted, then it would be politically more advantageous for Albanians if there is no unification.
I don't agree with that. What does it matter if there is an intermarriage? The point is the final product. I guess one side would alway loose out, but a mixed person will most likely lean toward one of the ethnicities (or in the RS sense, toward one or neigther religion). Personally, if a person feels Bulgarian and identifes as such, I'd accept that person as Bulgarian. The origin of his parent or parents is irrelevant.
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Post by malsor4life on Feb 3, 2010 18:29:30 GMT -5
Im quite suprised its only 75%, i guess it depends on how the question was phrased. I suspect the number is higher though, 90% or more.
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Post by L0gjICK on Feb 3, 2010 18:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by todhrimencuri on Feb 3, 2010 19:23:48 GMT -5
A person who is mixed may chose one identity or the other, but he will always be aware of the fact that he is mixed no matter what. He will always be aware of his partial Serbian ancestry... and this will mean that he will have to compromise with it. Generally this leads to the typically "open-minded" individuals promoted by the west.
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Post by alb12345 on Feb 3, 2010 19:34:32 GMT -5
In Albania there was a poll in a national television TV Klan a few months ago and 96% of Albanians aswered YES when questioned if they would support the creation of a union between Albania and Kosova. Am sure if this poll was done in Kosova only it will be even higher, both side politicans will not do a referendum to let people decide what they really want ....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 3, 2010 20:39:30 GMT -5
"Novi, I ask because like Ermir said Gallup polls or for that matter even other polls held in Albania haven't been correct most of the time. The number could indeed be higher or lower. That can only be determined though if we knew the sample size, error margin, when the question was asked, how it was asked etc etc."
C'mon leshte, l bet even in your heart you would *want* kosovo region to unite with Albania. At least toski above admits it. I know your talking about surveying errors, in my opinion, that is negligable.
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Post by leshte on Feb 3, 2010 22:29:37 GMT -5
I didn't say I don't want Kosova and Albania to be united. I was just trying to get more info on the poll as it was pretty scant in the article you posted. I also wouldn't discount the other option; that of a possible UN seat sometime in the future. Two votes on regional and international forums wouldn't be a bad option at all. As long as there's no violence going on then I guess the way I see it, it is up to Kosova Albanians to shape how they want their future to look like. Either way is fine with me, as long as they're the one's deciding.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Feb 4, 2010 2:45:46 GMT -5
So I have a question to the Albanian members of the forum.. don't Albanians in general want to have Kosova united with Albania? I was under the impression that most Albanians would want that, which is understandable. Even though I don't think any such unification will occur in the near future, I deffinitely think that it's a likely possibility for the distant future. Asen, of course we would like to merge the 2 countries in a single state sometimes in the future. Why would we not want to? Unity makes strength, after all. We are aware that such a unification is far away not only only because of internal issues (i.e. poor admistrative and economic performance that hinder integration) but also dangerous on the regional > international geo-political scene. I mean, the Serbs would start screaming from the depth of their lungs that they have been right all along in their propaganda concerning us. And that's the point in this "article" by the Serbian site kosoovo"compromise". It doesn't offer any details such as those leshte asked for, just spews more Greater Albania and parts of neighbour countries. (any Greater X country is purely fascist, this is not just Great X country). Just merge the last 2 lines of the article "A total of 74.5 percent Kosovo Albanians supported the idea of forming a single state which would be inhabited by ethnic Albanians, who also live in northwestern Greece , western Macedonia , southern Serbia and southern Montenegro, and 47.3 percent believe this ambition would be realized soon." It's aim is to lead foreigners into thinking we have "more" expansionist plans. To be realized SOON. Currently Kosovo and Albania are united in most aspects, and work is being done on some more. If you want detailed info, just ask. We don't talk much about it, since living, traveling, studying, working etc in both sides of the border is as easy as living in the same country. Serbs on the other hand usually have to go through Croatia in order to reach Banja Luka
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Post by gavrilo on Feb 4, 2010 2:57:07 GMT -5
we are not as blessed as our albanian neighbors in terms of geographic unity.
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Post by ivo on Feb 4, 2010 11:02:57 GMT -5
Do it quick, before someone creates a 'Kosovar' ethnicity.. heh. But then again, I don't think you guys have to worry about that, none of the supporters of that theory are as influencial as Tito was.
It's deffinitely understandable.
This is actually the Bulgarian national moto..
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Post by donnie on Feb 4, 2010 12:02:56 GMT -5
That would require a Titoist/Hoxhist regime, where political pluralism and free speech would be supressed and leave us open to being brainwashed, much like the Bulgarians of Macedonia were. Luckily for us, this isn't the case; the border between the two countries are open, there's a flux of Kosovar Albanias into Albania and vice-versa. The borders being free has enabled contact in such a way which wasn't possible for some fifty and more years, be it political, cultural, economical, which is all enhanced today by growing infrastructure. The language as adopted in Kosova is exactly the same as in Tirana, and so through linguistic unification, even dialectical differences are being wiped out. Kosovar has always been a geographic term more than anything, and today also a national one, but it is highly practical ... people continue to wave the double headed eagle, continue to call themselves "shqiptar" and level of freedom attained today for our nation is unprecedented, and this has all resulted a greater unity ... paving the way for final unification in the future.
As you might suspect, I belong to those seventy-five and probably more per cent who aspire for national unification.
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