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Post by thracian08 on Feb 10, 2010 19:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 10, 2010 19:25:34 GMT -5
There is no turkish minority in Greece, sorry.
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Post by thracian08 on Feb 10, 2010 19:28:01 GMT -5
There is no Greek minority in Turkey sorry
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 10, 2010 22:31:39 GMT -5
the Turkish coalition of America is made up of hypocrites.
Because there are non Turks there but they are Turks because they are from Turkey and the Turks of Greece are not.SO what does that mae them?
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Feb 11, 2010 2:06:28 GMT -5
There is no turkish minority in Greece, sorry. Of course there is.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 11, 2010 3:42:23 GMT -5
You help the greeks have the same number of ppl as the turks here and you have a deal.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 11, 2010 6:19:14 GMT -5
The muslim minority in Greece enjoys all the rights a minority can have, schools in their language, religion freedom( they even have a mufti to judge their things, unacceptable for a european country!!), represantation in the parliament, etc etc
The issue is that back in 20's Greece and Turkey had an agreement, 150.000 Greeks will stay in Polis, Imvros and Tenedos and about 80.000 muslims(Turks, Pomaks and Gypsies) in Thrace.....but the today numbers are indicative for Turkey's barbarism and mongolism, since there are about 100.000 muslims in Thrace and about 2.500 Greeks in Turkey.... so stfu...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 6:30:54 GMT -5
A lot of ethnic Greeks call themselves Turks today. That is their freedom of choice, where are the national statistics about those people?... Same with Armenians and almost all other ethnicities, this cannot be helped by schools or anything else. Look at it this way, one of my ex's fathers family were from Crete, he knew his family history, they were in fact part of the Greek military, he today says, I will never go to Greece or want to be Greek, yes I may have Greek blood but I am 100% Turk. He looks Greek with his nose n all but very very handsome guy, now they live in Eskisehir, his family is not only quite nationalistic but also religious. So how can you say there aren't Greeks in Turkey or they are less then there should be? Of course there are Greeks but they call themseleves Turks.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 6:32:48 GMT -5
By the way, part of my ancestry to Cyprus is Greek, but trust me they are 100% Turkish nationalists. We cannot help this. In fact I am sure in Greece there are Turks who became christian and now call themselves Greek.
Another point is, perhaps if being a Turk wasn't so frowned upon in Greece, and they were allowed to call themselves TURKs rather than muslim, they too would be more nationalistic for the country that they live in.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 11, 2010 6:43:17 GMT -5
I know what you mean Dee...
but we are referring to the ones that had property confiscated and basically shown the door out of Turkey. The ones you are referring too are the ones that had no reason to leave since as you said...feel as turks.
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 11, 2010 6:45:53 GMT -5
There is no Greek minority in Turkey sorry no problem. We are ok with that...99% of the Greek minority is anyway living in Greece today thanks to your country's policy.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 6:51:47 GMT -5
The ones that had property confiscated should demand for it back. People shuld stop being racist and start living in peace with each other, Turk or Greek we are all humans. They can go and buy it back even, there is such a warped image about Turkey in Greece it saddens me, Turkey isn't what u think it is, I hope in the future that more Greeks and Turks will interact and start to see each other as humans. Rather than historical foes
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 11, 2010 6:54:55 GMT -5
A lot of ethnic Greeks call themselves Turks today. That is their freedom of choice, where are the national statistics about those people?... Same with Armenians and almost all other ethnicities, this cannot be helped by schools or anything else. Look at it this way, one of my ex's fathers family were from Crete, he knew his family history, they were in fact part of the Greek military, he today says, I will never go to Greece or want to be Greek, yes I may have Greek blood but I am 100% Turk. He looks Greek with his nose n all but very very handsome guy, now they live in Eskisehir, his family is not only quite nationalistic but also religious. So how can you say there aren't Greeks in Turkey or they are less then there should be? Of course there are Greeks but they call themseleves Turks. Who talked about the muslim Greeks, that kind of people were never accepted from the Greek society, by suneting their dicks they could not be considered Greeks even if they were grandchildren of Palaiologos...screw them... I'm talking about the Greeks of Polis, Imvros and Tenedos, who were there before the City's pogrom and the rest kemalist tactics...
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 6:57:47 GMT -5
Some of them were those people! They became muslim later on. Even though Turkey was secular they chose to become muslim. My Greek ancestry is from ISTANBUL, the people you are TALKING ABOUT the Pure Greeks. Understand?
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 11, 2010 7:33:27 GMT -5
Most of the people who came to Turkey as part of the exchange of populations were Greek Muslims.But Turkey says they are Turks.
The Greeks and other non-Muslims who call themselves Turks in Turkey usually do so not out of love or intrest,but to blend in to hypnotized masses so they wouldnt or at least lessen the receivement of discrimination. I mean,look at their names.Many Christian Greeks and Armenians in Turkey have Turkish names
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 8:52:25 GMT -5
By the time the Exchange was to take effect (1st of May 1923), most of the pre-war Orthodox Greek population of Turkey had already fled. The Exchange therefore only involved the Greeks of central Anatolia (both Greek and Turkish speaking), and the Greeks of Pontus, a total of roughly 189,916[4]. The total number of Muslims involved was 354,647[5].
Of the 1,300,000 Greeks involved in the exchange, only approximately 150,000 were resettled in an orderly fashion. The majority fled hastily with the retreating Greek Army following Greece's defeat in the Greco-Turkish War, whilst others fled, amid scenes of indescribable panic, from the shores of Smyrna.[6][7] The unilateral emigration of the Greek population, already at an advanced stage, was transformed into a population exchange backed by international legal guarantees.[8] In Greece, it was considered part of the events called the Asia Minor Catastrophe (Greek: Μικρασιατική καταστροφή). Significant refugee displacement and population movements had already occurred following the Balkan Wars, World War I, and the Turkish War of Independence. These included exchanges and expulsion of about 500,000 Turks from Greece and about 1,500,000 Greeks from Asia Minor, Anatolia and Eastern Thrace to Greece.
The convention affected the populations as follows: almost all Greek Orthodox Christians (Greek- or Turkish-speaking) of Asia Minor including a Turkish-speaking Greek Orthodox population from middle Anatolia (Karamanlides), the Ionia region (e.g. Smyrna, Aivali), the Pontus region (e.g. Trapezunda, Sampsunta), Prusa (Bursa), the Bithynia region (e.g., Nicomedia (İzmit), Chalcedon (Kadıköy), East Thrace, and other regions were either expelled or formally denaturalized from Turkish territory. These numbered about half a million and were added to the over one million Greeks already cleansed by the Turkish army before the treaty was signed. About 500,000 people were expelled from Greece, predominantly Turks, and others including Greek Muslims, Muslim Roma, Pomaks, Cham Albanians, and Megleno-Romanians.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 8:53:20 GMT -5
from wiki as I couldnt be bothered to research more.
fact is the laws have changed today. Greeks are free to come back to Turkey and buy land do as they wish, they should.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 11, 2010 8:56:02 GMT -5
to be honest...i dont know exactly where its at. Most of my relatives that knew have now passed away. I guess i just have to spend some time on it.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 11, 2010 9:03:27 GMT -5
You should, i said the same thing to Kasto. One thing that I dislike about Turkey is the lack of ethnic mix. Turks and Greeks may have different religions, but whether its liked or not, we are so similar in characteristics it is a shame to be distant from each other.
Although you can find a nice mix in Istanbul, especially the small tavernas in Taksim, I want more integration for non Turks in Turkey.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 11, 2010 9:06:29 GMT -5
Agreed...
lets hope and see..
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