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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2010 20:32:20 GMT -5
Why does every single Christian disobey Jesus and yet still claim to be Christian?
"Why would Jesus in one place tell you to love your enemy and then in another place to hate your family, it makes no sence at all. Cutting off your hand? Thats just stupid. Drinking poison? Its suicidal. Admit it, anyone with any intelligence can see that Jesus is a lunatic, you dont do what Jesus commands because Jesus is crazy. So if you know that Jesus is crazy and if you show it by constantly disobeying, why do you claim to be a Christian? You might be thinking "I am a Christian so that I will go to heaven when i die." But thats silly, if you wanna go to heaven you have to obey Jesus. Instead you're ignoring him every chance you get, and rightly so."
^ LOL
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 26, 2010 20:36:17 GMT -5
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2010 20:58:58 GMT -5
I'd like to officially file for the banning of 'SKORICCCC', thanks.
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 26, 2010 21:03:51 GMT -5
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Post by leshte on Feb 26, 2010 23:26:37 GMT -5
The more you think about it the more religion makes no sense.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 27, 2010 7:21:19 GMT -5
Skoric, kid brain, I suppose you think that Christians are supposed to acquire supernatural powers that prevent them from doing bad things. For one thing that would just give us away and then everyone would want to be Christians & the world would be perfect right so nah that would be too easy. For another thing I'm pretty sure there's a pretty strong message out there "Jesus died for our sins." Odd if we're then not supposed to sin hey? Far out why do people suddenly become such autistic idiots when they attack religion?
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 27, 2010 8:29:19 GMT -5
boohoo I am simply posting vid's questioning things that Jesus said in the bible, and they are pretty good questions too. No need for the personal attacks, hurt my feelings </3 Answer these properly, im pretty interested. Maybe ive misinterpreted things and am being misled. So show me the light. If you're a Christian why dont you sell everything you own? If you're a Christian why dont you love your enemies but at the same time hate your family? If you're a Christian why dont you gauge out your eyes for looking at different women lustfully. p.s. Bob fark off haha
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 27, 2010 9:38:03 GMT -5
The Top 10 Reasons Why the Bible is Repulsive
Since most wont wanna watch it ill quote some of it
Anyone who works on a sunday must be put to death
In the Bible's book of exodus - the same book that contains the ten commandments the Bible tells us what to do with everyone who breaks the fourth commandment. Exodus 31 verse 15 tells us exactly what to do: For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
If a town doesnt believe in your god
..you must attack that town and completely destroy all of its inhabitants, aswell as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Deut 13:13-19
If your son is rebelious
If someone has a stubborn and rebelious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him then his father and mother shall.. say to the elders of his town "this son of ours is stubborn and rebelious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. - Deut 21
Quote from Jesus himself:
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have 2 hands and 2 feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have 2 eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. - Mathew 18:7-9
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 27, 2010 15:06:56 GMT -5
Realising that Jesus was a jerk
Most Christians have a warm, loving image of Jesus. Jesus is the "Prince of Peace" and the "Lamb of God" in their eyes. Jesus is a perfect, sinless being. But is this image accurate? If you had never heard of Jesus before, and you decided you wanted to learn about him by reading the Bible, what sort of person would you discover?
Jesus was a hypocrite
A person who is a hypocrite is certainly a jerk. No one likes a hypocrite, because hypocrites are smugly foolish. And Jesus seems to have a problem with hypocrisy. For example, one of Jesus' most famous lines is, "Love your enemies," as he says here in Matthew 5:43:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven."
He reiterates the message in Luke 6:26:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
That seems simple enough. And wouldn't you expect Jesus to love his enemies? Yes you would, unless he is a hypocrite. Therefore, what we find in Mark 16:15-16 is surprising. It shows us how Jesus treats his enemies:
He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned [to hell].
This is "good" news? Jesus doesn't love his enemies at all. In fact, you don't even need to be an enemy -- even those who would rather not "believe in" Jesus are condemned to eternal torture in a lake of fire. This level of hypocrisy is the kind of thing you expect from a jerk. For further examples of hypocrisy and contradiction, try comparing Matthew 5:16 with Matthew 6:1, or John 14:27 with Matthew 10:34, or 2 Kings 2:11 with John 3:13, or Exodus 33:11 with John 1:18, or Mark 9:40 with Luke 11:23.
Jesus broke his promises
In the same way, a person who breaks his promises is a jerk. We can see that Jesus breaks promises by looking at Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14 we find the same thing:
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
When a person says, "ask anything in my name, and I will do it," what does he mean? Presumably, Jesus means that if you ask for anything, he will do it. What else could he possibly mean, unless he is being dishonest? And Jesus does not say it once. He says the same thing over and over again. In Matthew 7:7: "Ask, and it will be given to you." In Matthew 17:20: "Nothing will be impossible for you." In Matthew 21:21: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer." You may have noticed, however, that Jesus is lying. You can pray for all sorts of things and nothing will happen. We all know that. A person who breaks his promises like this is clearly a jerk.
Jesus was a racist
An easy way to see that Jesus is a jerk is to recognize his bigotry. In Matthew 15:22-26 we find this telling conversation:
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession." Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said. He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
Jesus calls this woman a dog because she is not the right nationality. That is both ridiculous, and a clear indication that he is a jerk.
Jesus was a theif
If you are a person who steals other people's stuff, you are a jerk. In Mark 11:1-3 we find this transaction:
As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two of his disciples, saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, 'Why are you doing this?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.' "
How many times have you had some jerk say, "let me borrow this and I'll return it in a minute," never to see that person again? It is a common scam. And that's exactly what Jesus does. The disciples take the colt, but if you search the scriptures you find that they never bother to return it. Wow - what a jerk.
By the way, that is not the only place in the Bible where Jesus steals something. In Matthew 8:28-34 Jesus steals an entire herd of pigs and kills them all.
Jesus constantly contradicted himself
Let's say that you want to really jerk people around. One way to do that would be to constantly contradict yourself. Therefore, we find Jesus saying this in Luke 14:26:
Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.
OK, so if we hate everything, we can be Jesus' disciple. That's a great message from someone who elsewhere says, "Love your enemy" and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." And don't forget that one of the commandments is to honor your father and mother. So which is it Jesus? If we want to be your disciple, should we love our enemies, our neighbors and our parents, or should we hate them? Only a jerk would create a totally contradictory set of requirements like that.
What if you want eternal life? What do you need to do? Presumably you need to hate everyone and life itself. Then in Luke 10:25-28 we find another requirement:
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Is that true? If you do this, will you have eternal life? Actually it is not true. In Luke 18:18-22 Jesus says:
A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"
"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
The answers in Luke 10 and Luke 18 are totally different. This clearly means that Jesus is making this stuff up as he goes along. Which is something that a jerk would do.
Jesus was childish and emotional
Have you noticed that in many cases Jesus is childish and emotional, rather than thoughtful? People who act like this are jerks. Here's an example from Matthew 18:7-9:
"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
This statement is totally ridiculous on several different levels. First, something like a hand cannot "cause you to sin" -- your brain causes "sin." Every intelligent person knows that. Therefore, gouging your eye out or cutting your hand off is useless. If you have a problem with "sin" and you are going to amputate something to solve it, you would need to amputate your brain, since that is where all "sin" originates.
But if you think about it further, you realize that Jesus has completely missed the actual remedy. If you are having a problem with unproductive behaviors, what you need to do is either educate or rehabilitate yourself. You would do that by talking with a counselor or seeing a therapist. Amputation is an absurd prescription, as every intelligent person knows. Jesus is not only a jerk -- he is an idiot. He dispenses advice that is completely useless, and recklessly dangerous as well.
Here is another emotional outburst from Mark 11:15-16:
On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts.
Is this a smart thing to do? Is this the kind of behavior you expect from a thoughtful, rational adult? No, it is the behavior of a child. Surely the all-powerful son of God could come up with a better plan than knocking over tables in a one-time outburst.
In Mark 11:12-14 we find another emotional reaction:
The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it.
Later we learn that the tree is dead.
Let's see. The son of God is hungry. He approaches a fig tree. The tree is out of season and has no fruit. Jesus wants fruit. So he kills the tree. What a total jerk! Why didn't he wave his all-powerful hand and cause figs to appear? Or how about borrowing a raisin from someone and turning it into a 5,000 baskets of figs? Only a true jerk would kill something out of spite.
When you add all of these examples up, the truth is completely obvious. Jesus wasn't "the son of God." He was neither perfect nor sinless. Jesus was a total jerk. He was a fatuous person if there ever was one. And he was a snake oil salesman besides. The fact that "Christians" cannot see this shows the depth of their delusion.
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Post by leshte on Feb 27, 2010 15:31:25 GMT -5
Epicurus "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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Post by leshte on Feb 27, 2010 15:32:28 GMT -5
That quote makes you think a little more in depth. Frankly I have trouble disagreeing with the answers, even though sometimes I do not want to agree with them.
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Zvone
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Post by Zvone on Feb 28, 2010 0:22:14 GMT -5
Good thread Skoric.
Here are some interesting finds that both educate and amuse, must watch:
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 28, 2010 1:01:05 GMT -5
Mods please move this to the appropriate subforum.
I'm thinking 'Forum Barbarum'
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 28, 2010 4:43:24 GMT -5
SKORIC PERSONAL ATTACKS? AND YOU DON"T CONSIDER ATTACKING PEOPLES SPIRITUALITY A PERSONAL ATTACK I SUPPOSE?
PS MY SERVER BLOCKS YOUTUBE>
PSS MY KEYBOARD IS FUCKING SCREWED THE LAST WEEK> LIKE SHIFT IS PERMANENTL:Y STUCK AND CAPS LOCK IS AS WELL FUCKING SHIT TIME FOR A NEW LAPPY>
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cedorsk
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Post by cedorsk on Feb 28, 2010 7:10:21 GMT -5
I was going to write something like; we sin, GOD is merciful, he forgives us for our sins if we ask him to and some of our Slavic Saints became saints by the very sacrifice Skoric is questioning, one example is my Slava "St George", he gave up everything for his Christian belief. But I won't becauase as Robert puts it, this belongs in another forum.
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 28, 2010 8:34:19 GMT -5
^ Robert/Bob is just teasing me, he's a commie that doesnt even have a slava No he isnt lol.. biggest excuse for Christians to think that it's ok to "sin" and still be Christians and go to heaven. Quote from Jesus himself:
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have 2 hands and 2 feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have 2 eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. - Mathew 18:7-9This is directed at modern day average Christians. SKORIC PERSONAL ATTACKS? AND YOU DON"T CONSIDER ATTACKING PEOPLES SPIRITUALITY A PERSONAL ATTACK I SUPPOSE? Only if you take it personally, which i dont see why people would unless they're insecure about what they believe to not even be able to tolerate people questioning it. Good thread Skoric. Here are some interesting finds that both educate and amuse, must watch: ive seen this one before and still LOL'd
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Post by bob1389 on Feb 28, 2010 9:47:13 GMT -5
And you still celebrate slava? That makes you a hypocrite, no?
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Post by SKORIC on Feb 28, 2010 10:08:06 GMT -5
It's more of a traditional family thing rather then a belief thing. Why would i pass up eating and drinking all day anyways?
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Post by hellboy87 on Feb 28, 2010 13:45:11 GMT -5
youuu so naughty skoric
why did you post this thread btw?
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cedorsk
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Post by cedorsk on Feb 28, 2010 22:56:16 GMT -5
~Skoric, the biggest mistake (sin) is for you to think that you don't sin (no christian will ever tell you that it's ok to sin and if they do they are a fool)!
As Jesus said; "let he without sin cast the first stone"!
Which would mean that we ALL are sinners and thus by your stand we all should go to hell and then the question would be what the purpose would be for us to try and not to sin?
At the same time, if we were without sin would we not be god ourself, as we all do believe that only he is perfect.
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