CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Mar 7, 2010 19:10:47 GMT -5
There has long been a misconception about the repercussions such unification would bring. Many wonder what the purpose of this unity would be, and others simply ask why it would be necessary in the first place. To answer the simple question of why, it is important to note that modern genetic results have in fact confirmed that people within the borders of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are one and the same.They are people who, by all definitions, are one. The unification of these two people, and countries, would result in a Balkan super-power … or rather, an economic wonder. Croatia has one of the most attractive tourist destinations in Europe, while Bosnia-Herzegovina has important natural resources – including the last rain forest in Europe. These two, when combined, could bring economic prosperity to both regions. The image to the left provides a detailed genetic map of the two countries. The natural wonders of Bosnia-Herzegovina would serve as a building block for the new nation, while the constant influx of tourists into Croatia would bring substantial wealth for the realization of many national projects. The most debilitating problem, however, is the two main cultures that many consider would “clash.” The Roman-Catholic culture, primarily in Croatia, and the Islamic culture, primarily in Bosnia-Herzegovina. How could these two people, even if they are the same by genetic factors, live side by side? This would first involve the apprehension and acceptance of the first fact, that the Croats and Bosniaks are indeed one people, who are mainly divided by cultural differences (this includes religious). Accepting this would avoid the so-called "clash." As the study of genetics becomes ever more universal, it will force those within the borders to confront the fact that the people of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are in fact one people. The division between them stems from the times of the Ottoman Empire, which helped realize this division by forcing a foreign culture into Bosnia. Science, for the first time, may in fact bring a reconciliation between a people divided ideologically, and may eventually solve the identity crisis in the Balkans once and for all. www.sarajevo.net/content/191-The-Unification-of-Croatia-and-Bosnia-Herzegovina
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Post by vinjak on Mar 7, 2010 19:23:50 GMT -5
Economic powerhouse aj Fair enough The Fed as it is moves its azz into Croatia and RS unites with Serbia i mirna Bosna jel tako ?
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Post by tiprat on Mar 8, 2010 0:31:24 GMT -5
so that would mean the majority of people converted by the ottomans would of been catholic, and not orthodox?
.....meaning histroricaly Bosna is Croatian?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 8, 2010 1:12:23 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that genetics in zagorje and slavonija are worlds apart from western Herzegovina o wait.. that has been proved already.. so in retrospect it means that Slavs (and also sarmatian derived croats) only impacted genetically pannonian plains but linguistically also dinaric regions to the south.
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Post by MiG on Mar 8, 2010 10:04:14 GMT -5
This kind of a Federation wouldn't work for a number of reasons, of which the primary one is RS.
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Post by radovic on Mar 19, 2010 12:09:48 GMT -5
This kind of a Federation wouldn't work for a number of reasons, of which the primary one is RS. Because the federation would be an eocnomic drain on Croatia, the same as RS would federation for Serbia. That's the simple fact (and the disparity between Croatia and Federation muich greater then Serbia and RS).
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Post by tyson on Apr 6, 2010 8:32:58 GMT -5
interesting article. so the guy who wrote this article is a bosniak? I am pretty sure that genetics in zagorje and slavonija are worlds apart from western Herzegovina o wait.. that has been proved already.. so in retrospect it means that Slavs (and also sarmatian derived croats) only impacted genetically pannonian plains but linguistically also dinaric regions to the south. so what. croats from north bosnia also contain some genetics that are akin with croats from panonian croatia. lets not also forget the fact that lots of croats from slavonia are mixed with ancestry of bosnian croat ancestors who fleed ottoman rule. also dalmatians and herzegovinans have migrated for generations to panonian croatia. also bunjevci , who contain strong vlach ancestry, live in slavonia, and alot have mixed into the normal croat populace, making alot of slavonian croats with part bunjevac ancestry. so things are not so clear cut in panonian croatia ancestry-wise as they might of been in 1000ad. yes, panonian croatia is more slavic than lands in the south, but its very mixed now. and i dont see how we cant compare the similarities of bosniaks ancestry with croats from BiH and dalmatia. so what if croats from panonian croatia are genetically more different. the linkage between croats and bosniaks is still there through genetics of croats from dalmatia, but more importantly croats from BiH .
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Aug 11, 2010 10:43:48 GMT -5
I completely support this move. A unification of both Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina would be a great move and it would remove alot of barriers in which BIH faces today politically and both economically. However, the unification process must take a slow and steady path or else it would set a huge economic burden for Croatia. I completely support such a move, so as long as RS can unite with Serbia. Also perhaps a reunification of Serbia and Montenegro along with RS, if done properly and integration of three states are done step by step with neccessary political and economic reforms, i believe it could work both ways, for Croatia and BIH to unite, and Serbia, Montenegro and RS to unite. Both Serbia and Croatia could than become the next Balkan super power state or perhaps a more proper term would be a rivalry regional power states. Just like Yugoslavia was a mini super power state in the Balkans, South East Europe and equally matched with UK, France, Germany and Spain.
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Post by spartacus on Aug 11, 2010 11:43:24 GMT -5
I doubt all of BiH would support annexation. I would support a referendum asking the people in several regions whether they support annexation, especially in the herceg-bosna region.
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Post by ioan on Aug 11, 2010 13:51:56 GMT -5
I support it too, because I really like Croatians and its obvious they will dominate the state. This unification will be beneficial for Bosnians, but what could it bring to the Croatians? The croat money will be drained in Bosna and the only positive effect for Croatia will be that it will have bigger market and the Croats of Bosnia would join their brothers... However if such event takes place RS will probably leave the federation and join Serbia, which I do not know how the Bosnians will accept...
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Aug 12, 2010 1:21:35 GMT -5
This unification will benefit the Serbs because it will allow the Serb Republic to unite with Serbia, while the Federation, both Muslims and Croats who feel culturally and politically closer to the Croatians will unite with Croatia. Especially the historical similiarities. But for a unification to happen, it must be in a process of over 2-5 years, therefore having FBIH unite with Croatia and RS to unite with Serbia, if it happens at once, it will set a economic and political burden on both Croatia and Serbia and it's entities that want to unite. A slow integration is a success unification.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 12, 2010 8:00:36 GMT -5
genetic results have in fact confirmed that people within the borders of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina are one and the same.The unification of these two people, and countries, would result in a Balkan super-power … or rather, an economic wonder. Thanks for highlighting the parts that are particularly incorrect pickola.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 12, 2010 8:05:49 GMT -5
I doubt all of BiH would support annexation. I would support a referendum asking the people in several regions whether they support annexation, especially in the herceg-bosna region. Oh wow you genius. Likewise I would support a referendum in the Republika Srpska region.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 12, 2010 8:09:59 GMT -5
I support it too, because I really like Croatians and its obvious they will dominate the state. Ioan, you don't know anything about Croats. Really, there's no need to take your frustration on Novi out in this way. We've told you heaps of times anyway his sentiments towards Bulgarians are about 1% reflective on the rest of Serbs.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 12, 2010 8:35:48 GMT -5
^ Thats right Arsenije, we love the Bulgars, they have every damn right to claim half of serbia as theirs while we must live with it and shut up, we are not allowed to fight back because it will hurt their feeeelings.....jel tako Arsenije?
moron!.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Aug 12, 2010 8:40:55 GMT -5
^ Thats right Arsenije, we love the Bulgars, they have every damn right to claim half of serbia as theirs while we must live with it and shut up, we are not allowed to fight back because it will hurt their feeeelings.....jel tako Arsenije? moron!. Novi, they are Bulgarians. And I seriously doubt any significant portion of them claim half of Serbia. What do you mean by that anyway? Do you think the majority of Bulgarians think that half of Serbia should join Bulgaria?
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Post by ioan on Aug 12, 2010 9:13:22 GMT -5
Ioan, you don't know anything about Croats. Really, there's no need to take your frustration on Novi out in this way. We've told you heaps of times anyway his sentiments towards Bulgarians are about 1% reflective on the rest of Serbs. Arsenije I ve been in Croatia and I ve met Croat people. I ve been amazed by the beauty of Croatia... That land is totally beautiful... The people seemed nice and pleasant and it looked like they really like Bulgarians. I said I like Croats. Should this be read as "I have Serbs"? I do not hate Serbs, I mean real Serbs like you. Actually I really like you... But Serbia is also full of serbanized Bulgarians like Novi who hate everything bulgaian, because they hate themselves deep down inside. Of course those who have least in common with serbdome try to pass themselves as the real Serbs - like Novi. But no one is blind... Bulgarians do not hate people like you Arsenije! On the contrary!
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Aug 12, 2010 10:26:43 GMT -5
Ioan, you don't know anything about Croats. Really, there's no need to take your frustration on Novi out in this way. We've told you heaps of times anyway his sentiments towards Bulgarians are about 1% reflective on the rest of Serbs. Arsenije I ve been in Croatia and I ve met Croat people. I ve been amazed by the beauty of Croatia... That land is totally beautiful... The people seemed nice and pleasant and it looked like they really like Bulgarians. I said I like Croats. Should this be read as "I have Serbs"? I do not hate Serbs, I mean real Serbs like you. Actually I really like you... But Serbia is also full of serbanized Bulgarians like Novi who hate everything bulgaian, because they hate themselves deep down inside. Of course those who have least in common with serbdome try to pass themselves as the real Serbs - like Novi. But no one is blind... Bulgarians do not hate people like you Arsenije! On the contrary! Seeing as every state and person is claiming for example that half of the Serbian population is Bulgarian, Croats claiming that the people of BIH are Croats, Serbs claiming that the people of BIH are Serbs converted to islam and catholicism and vice versa... Let's all create a one big state called the Balkan Federation or Federal Republic of Balkan, having all former Yugo and Balkan States unite as one nation, that would keep everyone quiet seeing as we wont be arguing anymore whos what and what is what. Albania, Croatia, BIH, Slovenia, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania as one state. Will all be under one state, under one government and hell we can even be the super power state within Europe bypassing France, Germany and UK. Also we can all then call ourselves, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Bulgarians, Albanians, Montenegrins and blah blah. This is my proposal inorder to shut everyone up and bring in peace amoung Ego/Stubborness/Arrogant-Balkanian people. ;D
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Post by srbobran on Aug 12, 2010 10:35:44 GMT -5
Saying were full of Serbianzed Bulgarians who hate everything Bulgarian is a huge overstatement. Even some of the most ardent Serbian nationalists don't have designs on Bulgaria and among most Serbs I've met (including myself), there's a general feeling of kinship towards Bulgarians. I'd say the vast majority of Serbs don't have a problem with Bulgarians, rather the opposite.
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Post by ivo on Aug 12, 2010 12:57:40 GMT -5
This was the general notion following the disintigration of the Ottoman Empire. After the West returned Macedonia to the Ottomans to weaken Bulgaria as an ally of Russia, practially all Macedono-Bulgarian revolutionaries fought for an independent Macedonia in hopes of having it join into this supposed Balkan Federation.
It's too late for something like that today, it will never happen.. at least not in the forseable future. There's conflict of interest now, the "Great Powers" have each chosen a country to back and their political agendas don't match. The whole purpose behind the initiatives of the West over the past century has been to distablize the Balkan region and to have a varity of buffer zone countries, which is pretty much what we all are today.
Arsenije, Bulgarians in general don't dislike any of our neighbors or any of the Balkan countries. The one that has the most negative image in Bulgaria would be Turkey, and the reason is that they try to influence Bulgarian politics with fairly indecent political manuevers.
Ioan was mainly refering to the Torlaks of Serbia. Eitherway, Serbia and Yugoslavia have purposfully promoted a negative image of Bulgaria and Bulgarians over the past century.. that's no secret.
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