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Post by terroreign on Oct 16, 2011 15:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Oct 16, 2011 15:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by lowkbrehter on Oct 16, 2011 21:13:45 GMT -5
Just kicking this thread along so it can reach 100 pages, or not.
The Joker and the Trickster suggest to us the paradoxical and liminal quality of Life. Joker might shock us, outrage us, might tickle or amuse us; however it happens, we'll be knocked out of the comfortable assumptions that we have about ourselves and the nature of this life, the dull rigid structures of a sclerosed human mentality.
Trickster ecapsulates several different identities, all of them catalysts for catapulting us to a new level of understanding. With no sense of societal mores, no conception of good and evil, the foolish Trickster is purely instinctual, driven by appetites and desires. He wanders through life, getting in trouble, finding a way out of trouble, getting hooked again by his vain desires, we can see our own foolishness reflected. We too are led—indeed, ruled—by our vanity and our self-interest. We fall, get hurt, suffer pain. We moan and lament, and say, "Oh, why did this happen to me?" only to be caught up again by our vanity and appetites. When we laugh at the foolish Trickster, we are laughing at the fool that our little ego-self is.
Trickster breaks the consensus view of reality. Rather than being comforted by surface appearances, he pierces the illusory veil of a mere physical reality. By accepting ambiguity and rejecting a static view of the world, he can, at an elemental level, catalyze change, transformation. Thus, things will appear differently than we thought they were; we'll expect a certain outcome of our well-laid plans, and something entirely different will happen. And all the while, Trickster will be laughing at our pathetic attempts to make sense of it all within the framework of conventional human comprehension.
Trickster leads us into the inner sanctum of the Great Mystery of Life where, to our utter astonishment, our eyes are finally opened and we behold ... the Grand Hoax! For, as mystics of all time have been telling us, this Life isn't what we think it is; we aren't who we think we are; and God isn't who we think "He" is. Most often we valiantly resist all challenges to our established notions and conceptions; we don't want to get thrown into the chaos of uncertainty; we won't risk stepping off the edges of the parameters of our comfortable self-image.
So we cling to what we've been conditioned to believe, and whenever the boat is rocked we cry out, "Deception!", not realizing that the deception arises from within. We think we're tricked by other people, by circumstances of life, etc. Every once in a while, a courageous person acknowledges with Goethe: "We are never deceived. We deceive ourselves." Trickster is the Master of the illusory world because Trickster realizes that ‘maya’ does not mean that the world is illusory; it rather refers to our self-deception whereby we delude ourselves into thinking the world is a certain way.
Like the Joker, he knows that all human structures, codes and behaviors are so absolutely meaningless that the one lost in this vision becomes an anomaly of human experience. His or her words and actions are a mystery and defy all human convention. The rules just don't apply, because he or she has stepped outside the framework, for him there are only exceptions. The impossible possibility.
Change or be changed.
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Post by uz on Oct 17, 2011 18:57:04 GMT -5
Love it. ;D
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Post by lowkbrehter on Oct 17, 2011 19:07:58 GMT -5
It's cute but I can't take credit for it, the ideas I have proffered are derived from the 'Infinite Improbability Drive' in the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and another charming little book called "Trickster's Touch" by Zoohra Greenhalgh.
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 18, 2011 8:37:34 GMT -5
Just kicking this thread along so it can reach 100 pages, or not. The Joker and the Trickster suggest to us the paradoxical and liminal quality of Life. Joker might shock us, outrage us, might tickle or amuse us; however it happens, we'll be knocked out of the comfortable assumptions that we have about ourselves and the nature of this life, the dull rigid structures of a sclerosed human mentality. Trickster ecapsulates several different identities, all of them catalysts for catapulting us to a new level of understanding. With no sense of societal mores, no conception of good and evil, the foolish Trickster is purely instinctual, driven by appetites and desires. He wanders through life, getting in trouble, finding a way out of trouble, getting hooked again by his vain desires, we can see our own foolishness reflected. We too are led—indeed, ruled—by our vanity and our self-interest. We fall, get hurt, suffer pain. We moan and lament, and say, "Oh, why did this happen to me?" only to be caught up again by our vanity and appetites. When we laugh at the foolish Trickster, we are laughing at the fool that our little ego-self is. Trickster breaks the consensus view of reality. Rather than being comforted by surface appearances, he pierces the illusory veil of a mere physical reality. By accepting ambiguity and rejecting a static view of the world, he can, at an elemental level, catalyze change, transformation. Thus, things will appear differently than we thought they were; we'll expect a certain outcome of our well-laid plans, and something entirely different will happen. And all the while, Trickster will be laughing at our pathetic attempts to make sense of it all within the framework of conventional human comprehension. Trickster leads us into the inner sanctum of the Great Mystery of Life where, to our utter astonishment, our eyes are finally opened and we behold ... the Grand Hoax! For, as mystics of all time have been telling us, this Life isn't what we think it is; we aren't who we think we are; and God isn't who we think "He" is. Most often we valiantly resist all challenges to our established notions and conceptions; we don't want to get thrown into the chaos of uncertainty; we won't risk stepping off the edges of the parameters of our comfortable self-image. So we cling to what we've been conditioned to believe, and whenever the boat is rocked we cry out, "Deception!", not realizing that the deception arises from within. We think we're tricked by other people, by circumstances of life, etc. Every once in a while, a courageous person acknowledges with Goethe: "We are never deceived. We deceive ourselves." Trickster is the Master of the illusory world because Trickster realizes that ‘maya’ does not mean that the world is illusory; it rather refers to our self-deception whereby we delude ourselves into thinking the world is a certain way. Like the Joker, he knows that all human structures, codes and behaviors are so absolutely meaningless that the one lost in this vision becomes an anomaly of human experience. His or her words and actions are a mystery and defy all human convention. The rules just don't apply, because he or she has stepped outside the framework, for him there are only exceptions. The impossible possibility. Change or be changed. ;D
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 20, 2011 7:10:18 GMT -5
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Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Oct 20, 2011 10:18:12 GMT -5
46 pages ! is that all??
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Post by SKORIC on Oct 20, 2011 10:49:38 GMT -5
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