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Post by Nikola on Apr 16, 2010 7:29:50 GMT -5
btw, interesting mosaic in 4th century church from Ohrid: Lol, holy cow! The Nazi's invented a time machine!!! And yes, I know that symbol has much older meaning than what those crazy Germans thought it meant. Still, I wonder what it represents in Ohrid.
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Post by Nikola on Apr 16, 2010 7:46:01 GMT -5
How about this one ulf? I took this picture myself in Ohrid. The letter Y with the line through it doesn't match up with Church Slavonic or Greek from what I can see. Any idea what it could be?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 16, 2010 7:49:52 GMT -5
How about this one ulf? I took this picture myself in Ohrid. The letter Y with the cross through it doesn't match up with Church Slavonic or Greek from what I can see. Any idea what it could be? It looks like Japanese yen to me The rest must be Greek tho. (with the classic church fonts)
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Post by ulf on Apr 16, 2010 7:54:13 GMT -5
Yes, the symbol itself is way older then Nazi's, probably describing the Sun here
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 16, 2010 7:56:04 GMT -5
i heard its an aryan symbol. Hindi or somthg...
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Post by ulf on Apr 16, 2010 7:59:35 GMT -5
How about this one ulf? I took this picture myself in Ohrid. The letter Y with the line through it doesn't match up with Church Slavonic or Greek from what I can see. Any idea what it could be? I think its stylized Y Greek letter. It was not uncommon in history. Some old English texts have D written as Đ, but of course same case as it was probably here
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Post by ulf on Apr 16, 2010 8:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by chalkedon on Apr 16, 2010 8:22:07 GMT -5
I hope we dont derail the thread of a swastika..lol. but anyway, this is what i found in wiki. I know its the best source in the world, but its good for general use. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
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Post by ulf on Apr 16, 2010 8:27:35 GMT -5
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Post by ivo on Apr 16, 2010 9:01:00 GMT -5
See that’s the problem, every time anyone mentions anything you guys get all worked up about it.
I’ve come across some Greeks in general who see it like that.
Regarding ‘cultural’ continuity, I don’t think that Greece has exclusive claims. The cultural aspects perpetuated all throughout the region. Although, I’d like to point out, that Bulgaria and Bulgarians don’t want anything to do with it really.. as I said, we have our own history to be proud of.
Regarding ‘linguistic’ continuity, this is probably the strongest claim. The only issue with this is that when the Roman Empire split, by that time Greek was mainly used as a language of commerce, mainly in port cities, while all the main land spoke Latin. It was later chosen as the official language of the East Roman Empire as a political move. Either way, natural or artificicial, it's still linguistic continuity.
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 16, 2010 11:19:39 GMT -5
How about this one ulf? I took this picture myself in Ohrid. The letter Y with the line through it doesn't match up with Church Slavonic or Greek from what I can see. Any idea what it could be? Its Greek guys...the Y with the line... " kalligraphic". And it say ΕΥΦΡΑΤΗΣ- Euphrates, the river in Mesopotamia. Do you have any other pics, with inscriptions, mosaics?
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Post by Nikola on Apr 16, 2010 17:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 16, 2010 22:04:54 GMT -5
"Pfff, my people founded two great empires, developed the Cyrillic alphabet (St. Clement of Ohrid), perpetuated Christianity to neighboring populations most notably today’s Romanians, fought against some of the greatest armies and were victorious, were the only people to have actually gotten the East Roman Empire to officially recognize Roman land as Bulgarian, and so on and so forth." What about Cyril and Methodius?. I really didn't want to divert this topic because Nikola is speaking with relative calm but you Bulgari....l don't know
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Post by Nikola on Apr 17, 2010 2:24:07 GMT -5
Now with that said, it irratates me to no end how and why they're building ancient Macedonian buildings etc? I would like to go back to this comment. Since you're not talking about restoring castles in ruins, then I'm assuming you're talking about buildings like these, that are going to be built in the city center of Skopje? More specifically, I'm assuming you have issues with the Greek style boulders they have that you feel Skopje is copying and has no right to build them? Well (and I already mentioned this once before), buildings with that style already existed in Skopje before they were destroyed in the earthquake. So if Skopje is copying anyone, it's themselves. And what is so wrong with that? If anything, you should be congratulating the architects for not copying western European Gothic style buildings.
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Post by ivo on Apr 17, 2010 12:15:24 GMT -5
What about 'em!? Serisouly, Pazar, you are clearly VERY VERY VERY ignorant of history.
St. St. Cyril and Methody devised the Glagolitic alphabet. The Cyrillic alphabet was developed in the literary school of Preslav in the First Bulgarian Empire at the order of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris I. The Cyrillic alphabet was devised by the Bulgarian students of Cyril and Methody, most notably the Bulgarian St. Clement of Ohrid.
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Post by Kassandros on Apr 18, 2010 5:40:53 GMT -5
"New archaeological dig site announced - Lyncus" oh.. thats good! Now there is a very good chance (since bad Greeks are not there to "hide" stuff) to unearth findings written in.. Macedonian language.. right? Should an Irishman who can't speak a Goidelic language be considered a foreigner to Ireland? Of course not. Language changes. It can evolve, it can be forced onto people. I don't dispute that the modern Slavic language doesn't match up with the language people spoke back then (so I don't know why you want to bet me), but that should NOT exclude the people living on top of those ruins from claiming them as theirs. If you disagree with that, then there's not point in going any further in this discussion. No.. the there is nothing wrong claiming ruins as yours. There are into your country so its yours. In Greece we have also many Roman ruins. Although these ruins were made by Romans.. now they are into Greek territory and they are .. ours. But it is tottaly different to claim that we're "Romans" since we have found Roman ruins into our territory... or Turks to claims they're "Greeks" since they have found ancient Greek ruins in Asia Minor. AAlso, concerning the language, I'm 100% sure that whatever ancient Macedonian will be unearthed .. I can read it. Thats for sure. The language I speak is called "Greek". Its the same with the future unearthed language of the Macedonians. Now, you call your language 'Macedonian".. and it has nothing to do with the language of Macedonians. Dont you find it a little bit confusing.. in your everyday commounication to have.. 2 Macedonians languages completely different to each other... and 1 of these languages seem to be tottaly irrelevant to.. Macedonians? means.. when I say I spoke Macedonian to my grandfather during my last visit to my village... I mean I spoke the distinctive local dialect of my village which is a distorted Greek dialect with distorted modern Greek words containing a mix of distorted modern Greek and ancient Doric words. when you say you spoke Macedonian with your grandfather most propably you mean you spoke that Slavic language. So.. dont you find that situation quite weird? Every time we have to define what we mean by the talking about Macedonian language... So.. as you undestand, we.. as good Greeks, we're against the use of the terms "Macedonian language" or "nation" for the good and the simplification of the future conversations. I cant imagine my life exlaining what I mean every time I use the term "my Macedonian language"..
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 18, 2010 6:05:41 GMT -5
"St. St. Cyril and Methody devised the Glagolitic alphabet. The Cyrillic alphabet was developed in the literary school of Preslav in the First Bulgarian Empire at the order of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris I. The Cyrillic alphabet was devised by the Bulgarian students of Cyril and Methody, most notably the Bulgarian St. Clement of Ohrid."
Do you understand how much Bulgarian nationalism and propaganda has effected your brain?. Do you see how stupid it sounds to say that Cyrills own Bulgarian students invented Cyrillic, its like saying Einsteins students invented the theory of relativity.
You Bulgari are sad cases that its not even funny anymore.
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Post by rusebg on Apr 18, 2010 6:25:33 GMT -5
Novi, stop posting, for your own sake. You are the ultimate ignorant dork.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 19, 2010 3:41:55 GMT -5
^ Why should l Ruse?, Cyrill invented Cyrillic, not Cyrill's Bulgarian students. I think you guys really need to stop posting Bulgarian propaganda, its not good for the health of the Balkans.
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Post by rusebg on Apr 19, 2010 4:05:19 GMT -5
I can't be bothered anymore to try and explain you something. Instyead I will politely ask you once again: stop posting for a while. May be you don't realize it but you are near the very bottom of ignorance. For fvck's sake, check at least one info about what Cyril and Methodius created and who developed the Cyrillic alphabet itself.
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