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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 7:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 17, 2010 7:50:28 GMT -5
very unique ;D
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 7:58:12 GMT -5
Illyrian Tribes from Bosnia was known as the most Brave and Powerfull.
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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 8:17:30 GMT -5
Illyrian Tribes from Bosnia was known as the most Brave and Powerfull. Slav don't be ashamed of your ancestry The Slavic Peoples are an ethnic and linguistic branch of Indo-European peoples, living mainly in central and eastern Europe. From the early 6th century they spread to inhabit most of the Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans.[1] Many settled later in Siberia[2] and Central Asia[3] or emigrated to other parts of the world.[4][5] Over half of Europe's territory is inhabited by Slavic-speaking communities.[6] Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym Slavs are considerably genetically and culturally diverse and relations between them are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to feelings of mutual hostility.[7] Slavic peoples are classified geographically and linguistically into West Slavic (including Czechs, Moravians, Poles, Slovaks and Sorbs), East Slavic (including Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians)[8], and South Slavic (including Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs and Slovenes). For a more comprehensive list, see the section below on ethnocultural subdivisions. According to a 2007 genetic study[9] based on Y-chromosome male haplogroups, Slavic men cluster into two main groups; one encompasses all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and two Southern-Slavic male populations (western Croats, Slovenes), whilst the other group encompasses all remaining Southern Slavic men.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 8:47:26 GMT -5
Illyrian Tribes from Bosnia was known as the most Brave and Powerfull. Slav don't be ashamed of your ancestry The Slavic Peoples are an ethnic and linguistic branch of Indo-European peoples, living mainly in central and eastern Europe. From the early 6th century they spread to inhabit most of the Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans.[1] Many settled later in Siberia[2] and Central Asia[3] or emigrated to other parts of the world.[4][5] Over half of Europe's territory is inhabited by Slavic-speaking communities.[6] Modern nations and ethnic groups called by the ethnonym Slavs are considerably genetically and culturally diverse and relations between them are varied, ranging from a sense of connection to feelings of mutual hostility.[7] Slavic peoples are classified geographically and linguistically into West Slavic (including Czechs, Moravians, Poles, Slovaks and Sorbs), East Slavic (including Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians)[8], and South Slavic (including Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs and Slovenes). For a more comprehensive list, see the section below on ethnocultural subdivisions. According to a 2007 genetic study[9] based on Y-chromosome male haplogroups, Slavic men cluster into two main groups; one encompasses all Western-Slavic, Eastern-Slavic, and two Southern-Slavic male populations (western Croats, Slovenes), whilst the other group encompasses all remaining Southern Slavic men. Yes linguistically we are Slavs but Geneticly we are not Slavs this is prooved Fact and linguistic is not Impoertant.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 8:48:35 GMT -5
Here that is from a Expert.
Eine Sprache kann slawische Wurzeln haben, und trotzdem hat die ganze Bevölkerung keltische oder germanische Wurzeln. Zudem spielen die Herrscher eines Landes eine grosse Rolle bei der Sprache, oft wurden bestimmte Sprachen verboten und sie starben aus.
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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 8:51:40 GMT -5
“Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations” Cavalli-Sforza:The Albanians show considerable genetic distances with all the populations; however, 14 pair of comparisons between the Albanians and the European populations show a high level of identity. (This is for all Albanians not kosovars only) This is a Correlation function not the sum of the Haplogroupe. And by this function that we conclude that Albanians & Kosovars have one of the strongest Dna identity in Balkans. By a correlation of 14 values. It is not the some for greeks (Greeks have a SE identity but not a greek one) www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v8/n7/abs/5200443a.html“Survey of anthropological features of the Illyrians" The purpose of this paper is to bring to evidence the physical traits of the ancient inhabitants of Albania, the Illyrians, through an anthropological study of 93 human skeletons of different periods. Based on the available typological data the author comes to the conclusion that the Illyrians of the Albanian territory constituted an Adriatic-Mediterranean population with Nordic and Alpine minorities. The results of this study throw light on certain historical phenomena, which are linked with the origin and formation of the Illyrians" This survey have shown that Albanians of today are the direct descendents of Illirian-Thraco race! www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3304152?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSumCruciani Cavalli SforzaCruciani concluded that the distribution of the E3b1-alpha cluster in Europe indicates a Neolithic or post-Neolithic expansion out of the Balkans into Europe that spread as far west as the Iberian peninsula, and southeast to Turkey. STR diversity analysis gives an estimate of about 8 thousand years ago for that expansion Nje studim tjeter: Semino: It's interesting to note that another recent study concluded that a J sub-group, J2e1 (J-M102), also expanded into Europe from the Balkans during the Neolithic period. Most likely due to genetic drift, Kosovar Albanians harbor a J2e frequency peak whereas variance maximum declines from the southeastern edge of the studied region According to Semino: The footprint of J2e1 (M102) on the European map indicates some sort of connection between the southern Balkans and north-central Italy. One possible explanation is that J2e1 may have dispersed into Europe from the Balkans.Some of the highest frequencies that Semino et al saw for J2e1 were Albania (14.3% of total population), north-central Italy (9.6%), Greece (6.5%) Croatia etc Semino et al estimated the date of the M102 mutation at about 8000 years ago." First of all Albanian and kosovars are the same peoples. The max frequencies of J2e are among Albanians, the some for E3b1. This 2 Haplogroupe are belived to exist there before the Roman arivals.(J2e% + E3b1a% = 16 + 45 = 61%) All this 2 haplogroup have max freq in albanians and this is a sign of distinction from slavs. In 2000 BC there have been different migration in to balkan no one can say there have ben only one haplogroup. 209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:Kqj5uZRfjIUJ:hrcak.srce.hr/file/15462+%22HLA+Class+I+Polymorphism+in+the+Albanian+Population%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=clanak&id_clanak_jezik=15462
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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 8:52:38 GMT -5
Here that is from a Expert. Eine Sprache kann slawische Wurzeln haben, und trotzdem hat die ganze Bevölkerung keltische oder germanische Wurzeln. Zudem spielen die Herrscher eines Landes eine grosse Rolle bei der Sprache, oft wurden bestimmte Sprachen verboten und sie starben aus. Any link Pomak?
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Post by Patrinos on Apr 17, 2010 8:53:02 GMT -5
What did Illyrians...(a people who we don't know even who were considered Illyrians...even how they called themselves).... gave to humanity except their existence... ?all people existed ...
Google images only gives some Greek monuments and some Proud Shqiptar images when googling "Illyrian art" and "Illyrian civilization"... ;D
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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 9:01:16 GMT -5
What did Illyrians...(a people who we don't know even who were considered Illyrians...even how they called themselves).... gave to humanity except their existence... all people existed ... Google images only gives some Greek monuments and some Proud Shqiptar images when googling "Illyrian art" and "Illyrian civilization"... ;D There is loads of cr@pp around i understand and don't deny some people go too far. Illyrians contributed in Greek and Roman empire and we know that. But is obvious the Fact that Dorians and Illyrians share same heritage and genes in some way. Illyrians as Dorians Carleton S. Coon found a connection between the Illyrians and the Dorians based on his anthropological analyses of the Albanian and Montenegrin population as well as the Sfakian population in Crete. Coon discovered that Montenegro and Albania is highly concentrated Illyrian racial zone and that the Sfakians are directly descended from Doric tribes that invaded Crete from the direction of Macedonia and Illyria. Moreover, he discovered that Albanians, Montenegrins and Sfakians shared many similarities in stature, appearance, language, national costume, belligerent tendencies, tribal orders, and vendettas. carnby.altervista.org/troe/06-02.htm
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 11:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by bato2 on Apr 17, 2010 11:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 11:58:57 GMT -5
In this Forum this Text what i have posted its direct from Igenea Experts and not from a Forum User.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 12:00:06 GMT -5
All Genetic Experts Worldwide said Bosnians have most nativ Dinaric-Illyrian Blood.
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 12:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by Username on Apr 17, 2010 13:35:17 GMT -5
Why do you guys obsess over some no-name extinct tribe? There's a reason they don't exist anymore... because they were wiped out cause they sucked. I'm much more proud in knowing I'm a Slav, a branch of ethnicities that controls over half of European territory today. Beat that you crazy "Illyrians".
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Post by bosna505 on Apr 17, 2010 13:52:51 GMT -5
We Bosnians are Proud Bosnians and nothing other but we are the nativ People of our Land and our Region and this is Fact and all the funny Propagandas like of the serbs its only Garbage today and thats good that all lies and Propagandas falls.
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Post by bato2 on Apr 18, 2010 0:39:06 GMT -5
Tell me what is in there to see??..Anything about Bosniaks?..NO! You contradicting yourself with the article of Cavalli Sforza... Based by the genetic composition all slavs like Czechs,Macedonians,Croatians,Polish,Ukrainians ect fall in same category ... example FIG3And second Bosniaks are not at all in the article because genetically they are counted as Serbs and Croats ;D
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Post by bato2 on Apr 18, 2010 2:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Apr 18, 2010 2:34:10 GMT -5
But you can't say that are muslim serbs or croats, they are just slavs with ethnom name as bosnak.
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