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Post by toskaliku on Nov 10, 2010 18:00:57 GMT -5
Osmano, you little faggot, dont dear try and post in the guise of an Albanian.
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Post by jashari on Nov 10, 2010 18:01:15 GMT -5
Kosovo is the cradle of Serb Orthodoxy and the beginning of the Serbian state. History, for the Serbs, started in the early 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue. What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece. Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word. But legally, Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006. Until the destruction of the old federal Yugoslavia by Milosevic, Kosovo had a dual status. It was called a part of Serbia; but it was also called a unit of the federation. In all practical ways, the latter sense prevailed: Kosovo had its own parliament and government, and was directly represented at the federal level, alongside Serbia. It was, in fact, one of the eight units of the federal system. Almost all the other units have now become independent states. Historically, the independence of Kosovo just completes that process. Therefore, Kosovo has become an ex-Yugoslav state, as any historian could tell you. Yeah. What's with the Slav hating all of a sudden? You wish to exterminate 90% of the Albanian population in the Balkans just because they exercise their basic human right to choose Islam instead of Christianity and then you ask us why we hate Slavs??
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 10, 2010 18:13:32 GMT -5
^In a "matter of factly" way that is not a bad summary. However whilst you question the subjective terms "conquered" and "liberated" for the 21st century I would also do that when you say at the start Serbs conquered Kosovo in the 13th century. That is total bullshit.
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Post by jashari on Nov 10, 2010 18:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Nov 10, 2010 18:25:31 GMT -5
Osmano, you little f*ggot, dont dear try and post in the guise of an Albanian. haha revealed at the end there. Little difference anyway: Osmano or your type of Albanian. Anyway I don't believe this overwhealming Albanian atheist thing on the internet either. You're far closer to what would be a representative guise. Islam has greater influence than you would dare to admit.
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 10, 2010 18:38:32 GMT -5
I dont care what you think, Im just pointing out that the above is a s**tty slav himself and if he wants to act as an Albanian he should remember that Albs in general consider Bosnians as only a tidbit better than Serbs.
Not trying to insult any of the Bosnians here or anything.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Nov 11, 2010 0:19:00 GMT -5
Albanians do not belong in Europe.
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Post by zetra on Nov 16, 2010 9:58:10 GMT -5
..25 years ago, in 1984, there were 89,200 newborns in Austria, of whom 78,000 were Roman Catholic and 2,200 were Muslim. This means 87,4% were Roman Catholic, 2,5% were Muslim. ..six years later, in 1990.. The proportion of Roman Catholic babies is still at 84%, that of Muslims at 3,8%. However.. in the capital city of Vienna: 65% of newborns are considered Roman Catholic (following their mothers’ religion) and already 9% are Muslim. ..seven years later, in 1997, the proportion of Muslim newborn in Vienna is at 14,4%, that of Roman Catholics has sunk to 54,3%. Looking at Austria as a whole, the picture may be viewed as more differentiated: 76,5% Roman Catholic, 7,8% Muslim newborns. ..In year 2000 Roman Catholics account for approximately 72% of the newborn children in Austria, Muslims around 10%. In Vienna, however, live birth statistics account for merely 48% Roman Catholic babies, while Muslims account for more than 18%. ..data collected in 2008 shows that out of 77,752 live births only 49,444 were Roman Catholics (63.6%). ..The number of newborns with Muslim mothers (in all of Austria) accounted for 10,883, or 14%. In Vienna.. 36.7% were born as Roman Catholics (6,374), but already 24.1% were born Muslim (4,194). This trend is similar to Vorarlberg [the westernmost state in Austria], where 21% of all newborns were Muslim. In contrast, Burgenland [the easternmost state] shows only 5.2% Muslims. www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Islam-Anteil_in_Oesterreich_waechst-Gesellschaftswandel-Story-159625The same thing is happening in Macedonia: Republic of Macedonia 2002:Orthodox population: 1.310.184 Muslim population: 674.015 Orthodox population age 0-4: 63.229Muslim population age 0-4: 57.028 Orthodox population age 5-9: 73 384 Muslim population age 5-9: 57.028 Orthodox population age 10-14: 86.952 Muslim population age 10-14: 70.443 Orthodox population age 60-90: 235.396 Muslim population age 60-90: 61.745 www.stat.gov.mk/publikacii/knigaIX.pdf
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Post by paja on Nov 16, 2010 20:18:42 GMT -5
^Those numbers are inflated. They don't take into account how many of them will kill themselves, and others, for their religion.
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Post by zetra on Nov 16, 2010 20:55:25 GMT -5
Catholics in Austria 1971-2009 1971: 6,548,316 or 87.4 % 1981: 6,372,645 or 84.3 % 1991: 6,081,454 or 78.0 % 2001: 5,915,421 or 73.6 % 2005: 5,662,782 or 68.5 % 2008: 5,579,493 or 66.8 % 2009: 5,530,000 or 66.0 % Lutherans in Austria 1971-2009 1971: 447,070 or 6,0% 1981: 423,162 or 5,6% 1991: 338,709 or 5.0% 2001: 376,150 or 4.7% 2008: 328,346 or 3.9% 2009: 325,314 or 3.9% Muslims in Austria 1971-2010: 1971: 22.267 or 0,3% 1981: 76.939 or 1,0% 1991: 158.776 or 2,0% 2001: 338.988 or 4,2% 2010: Over 500.000 or 6% Muslims in Vienna 1971-2010: 1971: 5.889 or 0,36% 1981: 28.099 or 1,83% 1991: 62.305 or 4,04% 2001: 121.149 or 7,81% 2010: Over 200.000 and 24,1% of the newborns en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Austriagatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/11/islam-we-try-harder.html#more
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Post by paja on Nov 17, 2010 14:30:40 GMT -5
Why do you care so much? I could care less if there's Muslims in Europe as long as they are assimilated. P.S. Did you smite me?
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Post by zetra on Nov 17, 2010 15:50:53 GMT -5
Why do you care so much? I could care less if there's Muslims in Europe as long as they are assimilated. Assimilation requires comparative advantages. Today Muslim birth rates are significantly higher than those of the self-destructive non-Muslims throughout Europe and given that Muslims will continue to be unlikely to give up Islam (the main comparative advantage in today’s Europe) there is really no way of achieving assimilation. If anything it will be today’s non-Muslims who will get assimilated like in the good old days when the glorious Ottoman Empire ruled the Balkans (only difference is that most Christian nations in Europe today choose not to reproduce them self’s). Srbi ponovo pod Turcima: Muslimani će imati prostu većinu na Balkanu do kraja iduće decenije17.09.2010 To što je Beograd prihvatio Ankaru kao uèesnika i arbitra u domaæim i regionalnim politièkim procesima predstavlja pojavu bez presedana, ocenjuje za "Vesti" politièki analitièar iz Èikaga dr Srða Trifkoviæ. Srbija postaje država s ogranièenim suverenitetom ne samo u odnosu na zapad veæ i u odnosu na neoosmanlijsku vladu u Ankari, dodaje Trifkoviæ.
Da li se s neosmanizmom mogu povezati Bošnjaèki zahtevi za autonomiju Sandžaka? - Na 500.000 kvadratnih kilometara Balkana danas živi oko 60 miliona ljudi. Pravoslavni hrišæani - Grci, Bugari, Srbi i Makedonci imaju tanku veæinu, jedva iznad 50 odsto. Muslimani èine oko 40 odsto; dok katolika ima tek sedam odsto. Veæina balkanskih muslimana živi u kompaktnim pojasevima teritorije duž Zelene transverzale. Postoje samo dve znaèajne pukotine u tom lancu. Jedna je u istoènoj Makedoniji, a druga u trouglu Nova Varoš - Prijepolje - Pljevlja u zapadnom Sandžaku, duž puta i železnièke pruge Beograd-Bar. Tako Sandžak predstavlja jednu od najkritiènijih geopolitièkih taèaka na Balkanu. Za islamiste, kljuèna demografska pukotina duž zelenog lanca postoji u tri opštine u Srbiji - Priboj, Nova Varoš i Prijepolje. U opštinama Sjenica i Tutin Srbi postoje još samo u tragovima, a u Novom Pazaru ubrzano nestaju.
Gde je u tome uloga Turske? - Turska je aktivno ukljuèena u premošæavanje te kritiène nedostajuæe karike na koridoru Zelene transverzale, uz neshvatljivu spremnost zvaniènog Beograda da joj taj posao maksimalno olakša. U odnosu na Bošnjaèkog lidera i glavnog muftiju muslimana na Sandžaku Muamera efendiju Zukorliæa Turska sada lukavo igra ulogu "dobrog policajca": samo prepustite nama taj vaš problem, Erdoganova je poruka Tadiæu, mi æemo ga držati pod kontrolom kad vi to veæ ne možete ili ne smete.
A šta na to kaže Beograd? - Prihvatanje institucionalizovanog prisustva Turske kao legitimnog uèesnika u domaæim i regionalnim politièkim procesima, pa i arbitra u njima, od strane zvaniènog Beograda predstavlja pojavu bez presedana. Može se uporediti s ulogom SSSR-a u satelitskim zemljama istoènoevropske "bratske zajednice" pre Gorbaèova. Srbija tako postaje de fakto država sa ogranièenim suverenitetom ne samo u odnosu na zapad veæ i u odnosu na neoosmanlijsku vladu u Ankari. Notorna èinjenica da za dugi niz godina nema ni govora o ulasku Srbije u EU ide naruku turskim ambicijama jer se zvanièni Beograd iznenada našao bez alternativnih opcija i bez ideja, da pare ne pominjemo.
Kako na neoosmanizam gledaju Vašington, Brisel i Moskva? - Americi odgovara da Turcima da otvoren teren na Balkanu za stvaranje sopstvene sfere interesa. Brisel Turcima nudi Balkan kao utešnu nagrada. Rusima, pak, odgovara strateško partnerstvo sa Ankarom pošto se Moskva nada da æe turski uticaj na Kavkazu i u Centralnoj Aziji predstavljati protivtežu radikalnom vehabitskom islamu.
Da li je u toku islamski preporod? - Stopa demografskog rasta je negativna u svim zemljama regiona s hrišæanskom veæinom, u nekima katastrofalna. Nasuprot tome, muslimani imaju najveæu stopu priraštaja u Evropi. Muslimani æe zato imati prostu veæinu na Balkanu do kraja iduæe decenije.
Šta je cilj koncepta Zelene transverzale? - Da se oznaèi dugoroèni cilj ideologa islamizma, na Balkanu i šire, stvaranja geografski neprekinutog lanca veæinskih muslimanskih zajednica ili zajednica pod dominacijom muslimana koji æe se pružati od Turske na jugoistoku do Bosne na severozapadu, kao i da se ojaèa etnoreligijska samosvest meðu tradicionalno muslimanskim zajednicama na Balkanu. www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Srbija/82506/Trifkovic-Srbi-ponovo-pod-Turcima
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Post by vinjak on Nov 17, 2010 16:37:41 GMT -5
Hmmm bullshite stats on births, deaths....glorious ottomans ....pa osmano de si debeli nemate dugo sta ima ?
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