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Post by Arxileas on May 24, 2010 18:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by bato2 on May 25, 2010 1:18:08 GMT -5
Are you proud of it?... Hitler, called the Japanese "honorary Aryans" ..does that make any sense? He was a lunatic failed artist who exploited the bad socio-economic situation in Germany. For me he deserve to be flushed in the toilets of Human History
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 4:17:48 GMT -5
even if Hitler was ideologically antihellen his recognition as an enemy is very important, as it was Churchil's.
I find it amusing Albos even post in threads that are related with WWII..
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Post by bato2 on May 25, 2010 4:34:23 GMT -5
even if Hitler was ideologically antihellen his recognition as an enemy is very important, as it was Churchil's. I find it amusing Albos even post in threads that are related with WWII.. Hitler was a psycologically trubbled person...That is enough for me You find it amusing ? You must to find amusing the facts you got a nice post-WWII legacy... The most organised Nazi parties in Europe Xrysi Avgi and Syriza We are Nazi-Germ free at least and i am proud of it...
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 4:41:44 GMT -5
The most organised Nazi parties in Europe Xrysi Avgi and Syriza We are Nazi-Germ free at least and i am proud of it... hahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahah.....lololololololololololololol.... Syriza ... lololololol And Chrysi Avgi is a far right party, that got 0,29 % in the 2009 elections... Aren't the albos the ones that want to portray themselves are aryan and pure...? PS.Have your grandfather left you any SS Scaderbeg uniform?
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Post by bato2 on May 25, 2010 10:25:35 GMT -5
The most organised Nazi parties in Europe Xrysi Avgi and Syriza We are Nazi-Germ free at least and i am proud of it... hahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahah.....lololololololololololololol.... Syriza ... lololololol And Chrysi Avgi is a far right party, that got 0,29 % in the 2009 elections... Aren't the albos the ones that want to portray themselves are aryan and pure...? PS.Have your grandfather left you any SS Scaderbeg uniform? Yep we know well how tolerant you are as a nation...All Jew comunity of Salonica was given to the German invaders as a free token Many Greek lives were saved in Albania during your Huntas regime, but they wont tell you in your History books...Bcs we are the evil people who live in the North(that is what you been told) One of those Greek lives saved was one the best friends of my father. His father was killed by your army at the border, tho his pregnant mum managed to escape and come in Albania where she gave birth. She left her son in Albania who was adopted by a middle class Albanian family from my town. They gave him the best education and he managed to become a engineer like my dad. They gave him chance to learn Greek also. What they say about persecution of Greeks under Hoxhas regime is bul$hitt. This is a true life story which you wont read in history books Today this man is a Greek citizen but he say he feels Albanian And to talk about Aryan race is just nonsense...Is just a myth for ignorant duchebags!
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 10:34:06 GMT -5
Thats what Hoxha told you...? Then why there isn't any Jew in Albania today...when they were free to leave they left... and how many were they 200-300??? What about the Jews in Serbia and their kosovar persecutors...? Don't you think that this thing with the Jews when talking about Albania's role in WWII is more than funny? Accept it that you were faithful to your traditions and welcomed the Nazis, like you did with the Fascists a bit earlier. And i don't speak resisting with one incident here and there... i mean panalbanian oppose to the invaders. This never occurred and i would be ashamed even to talk about WWII if I were Alvanos...(ohh s**t..)... wtf ? even today you put bombs in the mayor of Himara...and in the most totalitarian regime the world had even known you say that things were good???
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Post by Kastorianos on May 25, 2010 11:33:36 GMT -5
But the army of Hitler was the best in the world at that time...
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Post by donnie on May 25, 2010 11:34:44 GMT -5
They need all the inspiration they can get at the moment now that the shyt has hit the fan (speaking of their economy) ... ;D
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 11:44:32 GMT -5
They need all the inspiration they can get at the moment now that the shyt has hit the fan (speaking of their economy) ... ;D if our economy is shyt then albania's is shyt * 10. wait to sent back all the alvanous from here and it will become shyt*10+200.000(unemployed Alvanoi)- 30.000(less exported kalasnikofs). guys usually when we see in internet quotes about a people they've done by foreigners(leaders, generals, historians, etc)... in the scale that these quotes have any value even Hitler's opinion is worthy.
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Post by donnie on May 25, 2010 11:52:16 GMT -5
Why so insecure Patrinos? Does it feel good to compare your country's economy with that of a small neighbour who only recently entered the free market economy, having previously endured a rigid dictatorship and command economy? Nobody said Albania's economy is top notch, but we're not the ones with our fat a*sses currently exposed on the news as the guys who failed despite being on EU welfare
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Post by bato2 on May 25, 2010 12:10:59 GMT -5
Thats what Hoxha told you...? Then why there isn't any Jew in Albania today...when they were free to leave they left... and how many were they 200-300??? What about the Jews in Serbia and their kosovar persecutors...? Don't you think that this thing with the Jews when talking about Albania's role in WWII is more than funny? Accept it that you were faithful to your traditions and welcomed the Nazis, like you did with the Fascists a bit earlier. And i don't speak resisting with one incident here and there... i mean panalbanian oppose to the invaders. This never occurred and i would be ashamed even to talk about WWII if I were Alvanos...(ohh s**t..)... wtf ? even today you put bombs in the mayor of Himara...and in the most totalitarian regime the world had even known you say that things were good??? We saved every single Jew during WWII that is a fact, we are proud of it. In a country of less than a million(after WWII) 300 is quite significant number. And we are talking about human lives not numbers ....We saved 300 lives which you didn't, instead you gave them token free to the Nazis(in 1940 were 77,000 Jews in Greece 56,000 of whom were living in Salonica...Where are they now? 76.000 were exterminated and send in Auschwitz )...If you want to talk about facts and numbers your and your nation should be ashamed! You have loads demons and skeletons in your closed dude The Two Greek-Jewish Holocausts 1821 and 1943-1944 by Dr. Michael Matsas theopavlidis.com/reprints/matsas_3/YHLecture.htm
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 12:28:12 GMT -5
Now we are responsible for the Nazi crimes? Nazis directly and indirectly(through famine) were responsible for the death of more than 600.000 Greeks(Jews excluded) and for the destruction of the economy and infrastructure of the country, while Greece had to defend it self against four hungry dogs, Italians, Germans, Bulgars and Albos... You speak about the country that achieved the first victory against the Axis and organized maybe the most powerful resistance in the whole Europe. So alvane stop talking about WWII and start considering if the romantic internet story that we see around about the Jews in Albania is a failed attempt to cover up you disgraceful role in the Nazis and Fascists' side. And if you want to talk about Jews talk about the Jews in Kosovo too, or now Kosovars are another case of Albos...?
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Post by donnie on May 25, 2010 13:18:09 GMT -5
What about them, "Professor"?
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 13:49:11 GMT -5
What about them, "Professor"? since you are a kosovar help us with the numbers. How many Jews were there in Kosovo and how many were after the end of the German presence?
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Post by leshte on May 25, 2010 15:46:36 GMT -5
What's a SPEECE?
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Post by leandros nikon on May 25, 2010 16:14:58 GMT -5
Righteous among the Nations (Hebrew:Chassidey Umot HaOlam, more literally: righteous men of the world's nations, also translated as "Righteous Gentiles") is used by the State of Israel to describe non-Jews who risked their lives during the Holocaust to save Jews from extermination by the Nazis.
The 306 Greek righteous among the Nations(Righteous Gentiles)
The complete listwww1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/stories/pdf/virtial_wall/greece.pdf
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Post by donnie on May 25, 2010 16:15:21 GMT -5
What about them, "Professor"? since you are a kosovar help us with the numbers. How many Jews were there in Kosovo and how many were after the end of the German presence? Supposedly (I'll explain why I use this word) some 551 Jews lived in Kosova before April 1941. By the end of the war, 210 had died. Many were saved by locals, both ordinary peasants and local authorities who dispatched many Jews with Albanian passports and identities, sending them off to Albania. The rest perished after being arrested by Nazis and sent off to concentration camp, more precisely Belsen. Now what you're probably referring to, but havent been able to pinpoint due to your lack of knowledge of the region's history and because of your dependency on second-hand sources and stories, is the accusation against SS Skanderbeg of having arrested and handed over 281 Jews to German authorities, who thereafter deported them to concentration camps, where 210 perished. The problem with this is that often it has been treated as undisputed fact and never problematized, when infact alot of informations related to this incident are contradictory. Firstly, the figure of 281 Jews is misleading, even though this has been treated as fact (even by some of our stupid historians). A thorough review of the list of the arrested will show that onlya smaller number, just above thirty, were infact Jews. The rest were non-Jews and were arrested for other reasons, alot of them being members of opposition groups, primarily communist partisans. Another issue is the chronology. There are some voices who say the military group wasnt even created or barely so, under training, when this arrest occured, suggesting it was carried out by others, by some other military group, for which SS Skanderbeg was credited. As you might understand, this is still a matter of controversy. Bu even if true, we're dealing with some thirty-two or thirty-three deported Jews -- compare this to the number of perished Jews in Yugoslavia or Greece, even percentually, it is extremely low. Several individuals marked themselves as saviours of Jews in Kosova, much like our brothers in Albania, like the Rezniqi family of Decan who sheltered forty Jewish families, some of whom were sheltered for days, other for months, etc. There is alotof mentioning of SS Skanderbeg here and there -- you need to understand that this organization, far from being an effective murdering machine, was infact a total FAILURE !!! There was no fascist ideological motivation from our part in the creation of this military formation. It was used as a clever way to receive arms from the Germans for the war which was to come with Yugoslav partisans. This is obvious by the fact that half of the nearly 6,500 recruits deserted very early after receiving arms ,,, the rest being very ill disciplined and not so serious about assisting the Nazis and reaching their level of commitment. If we do a little comparative study, we will easily see that the number of human losses in Kosova in comparison to neighbouring Yugoslavia or Greece was MINIMAL. Even Serb sources will confirm this much.
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Post by Patrinos on May 25, 2010 16:34:10 GMT -5
So Scanderbeg SS was so innocent...? because SS all over Europe were created to terrify the civilians and do the dirty job for the Germans... Come on, admit it. You wanted to gain autonomy or independence and you've opened your....hugs....for any invader who promised to use you and give you autonomy as present...
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Post by donnie on May 25, 2010 16:56:09 GMT -5
;D I see there's no point discussing this with you as you havent even adressed anything i said, only things you think i said/meant to say.
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