Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2010 1:31:00 GMT -5
^^^^ tako tako!!
some people do not understand that history is very important, and we cannot change it by simply rewriting it to suit our short-term goals. History is alive, here, today in you, in me, in asen, in everyone. History is how we feel and think.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jun 1, 2010 1:58:30 GMT -5
Македонија, јас мислам дека нема анти-бугарска политика....освен тоа што се браниме од нападите од бугарска страна...па изгледа како анти-бугарска политика.....во секој случај никој Македонец до сега па и сега не мисли ништо лошо за Бугарите... но си браниме тоа што го додира нашиот идентитет...кој мислам дека е доста различен од вашиот.....можеби сме имале иста историја.... но сега има разлика.... која треба да се прифати... ако сакаме да се почитуваме... и заедно да напредуваме во нашите односи..... и таа одбивност што се создава за Бугарија сега од наша страна.... е резултат на преголемата заложба на некои Бугари да го присвојат македонскиот народ и се што следи со него..... што е непрвилно од нивна страна... и тоа се актуелизира последниве години кога се ни се насобра од сегде...... да ти кажам нешто..... знаеш ли дека и после конфликтот во 2001 во Македонија.... Албанците денес од сите околу се најблиски и најпријателски... и ние кон нив... затоа што цениме почитување.... иако 2001 не се заборава.....но и они си имаат потреби.. што е нормално... но тоа е темата сега.... I could understand what you are saying... However you say we might have had a common history... and thats what the Bulgarians want the Macedonians to accept... The common history, heroes, culture... thats it. I do not believe any Bulgarian really believes in taking over of Macedonia... we just want the Macedonians to accept our common history, the fact we thought of ourselves as one... We now know that it is not true anymore... 50 years are enough to make from one people two different ones... we know you do not want to be bulgarians, we accept that of course... we just want to erase the wrong interpretation of our common history that makes the presentday macedonians hate us...
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Jun 1, 2010 2:00:59 GMT -5
Фосил, да те прашувам некои прашања.. ако имаш време.. ќе ми е интересно да видам што ти е мислењето.
1. Што мислиш за луѓето во Пиринска и Егејска Македонија?
2. Што мислиш за Македонско-Бугарските цркви изградени пред 100 години во Канада и САД? Зошто денес не сме така блиски како и пред?
3. Денес Македонија има многу добри односи со Србија од колку со Бугарија .. зошто нема такви Македонско-српски цркви? Која е разликата помеѓу таква Македонско-бугарска соработка и Македонско-српска соработка?
пс. Пирос е Грк кој мисли дека е Србин .. може и да е разбрал 5 зборови од разговорот, но инаку е многу збунет.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 1, 2010 3:27:12 GMT -5
"Novi, blood has nothing to do with mentality/philosophy. Serbs i think are 50% slav, 50% Greek. Bosnians are 50% slav, 50% illyrian Bulgarians are 50% slav, 50% Thracian.. BUT, blood is not important. The important thing is mentality/leadership/freedom. Serb/Slav societies were free. Unfortunately slavs under Bulgars (and Thracians even more) suffered so much, that this can be visible even today. (Rhezus is a living proof)" Pyrro, the slavs of Bulgaria that were ruled by the Turkic tribe known as Bulgars, didn't treat their subjects very well, many slavs gave themselves up to the Byzantine empire because they didn't want this foreign non-european people ruling over them. Other slavs were sold by the bulgars as slaves to the middle eastern markets. Believe me pyrro, the slavs and the bulgars were still a separate people even untill the 10th century. On the other hand, the slavs saw the serbian empires as not foreign to them, but brotherly. Rhezus sees the contradiction of the stupid bulgars here, he understands that the name Bulgaria is a problem for their country because its a name that doesn't help to form close brotherly relations between other slavs of the Balkans
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 1, 2010 3:36:48 GMT -5
"Not one single historian or linguist shares that teory. There is theory that BulgaR language might have been TurkiC. But all agree that there is difference between Bulgars and Bulgarians. Bulgarian language is accepted by all as SLAVIC language."
Bulgar is Turkic, there are no if's and but's. Your people created these theories, but outside of your nation, its solid fact that Bulgars are Turks!!.
There is no difference between Bulgars and Bulgarian, the people of Tartarstan in Russia speak Bulgarian. Bulgarian is the language of the turks!, not slavs, understand. You must change your nations name from a turkish one to a slavic one because honestly that name Bulgaria is not european or Aryan!.
"Are the dagestani people 100 percent european? Dont think so."
Dagestani people are related to you, idiot. They are Turkish like Bulgars, if you said ossetians, then l may have not said anything. Btw, the ossetians like serbs are indo-europeans, not mixed asian/slavs!.
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Post by fossil on Jun 1, 2010 3:48:39 GMT -5
i will write you later... i am at school now.... after 2 o'clock
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Post by Pavel Chernev on Jun 1, 2010 4:55:26 GMT -5
Фосил, 1. Лицето кое започна овој постинг е Србин и се преправа на Бугарин за да лаже луѓето и да прави проблеми. Stop your lies my Albanian friend. I am Pavel Chernev, Bulgarian and European, forever and always.
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 1, 2010 4:58:02 GMT -5
^^^^ ;D ;D ;D
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ivo
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Post by ivo on Jun 1, 2010 9:04:10 GMT -5
The Bulgarian name is fine as it is. The ancient Bulgar language has definitely had Turkic influences as the Bulgars were conquered by the Gok Turk Empire.. much like the Balkan populations were conquered by the Ottoman Empire. There are plenty of Turkish words in use all throughout the Balkan nations even today, but that doesn’t make anyone of us Turks.
Whether the ancient Bulgars themselves were Turkic or not is debatable. There are several theories regarding their origin, and each one is just as accurate as the next. The most popular theory in scholarly circles these days though seems to be that the Bulgars were a Sarmatian/Irannic tribe, much like the Serb and Croat Irannic tribes.
Regarding the Chuvashes and the Tatars of Kazan, they are indeed Bulgar descendents. The difference between those people and Bulgarians in Bulgaria is that they mixed in with local Turkic tribes, mainly the Kipchaks.. just like the Bulgars on the Balkans mixed with Slavic tribes. The ancient Bulgar language was lost, and has since evolved into a language classified as Turkic on the Volga and Slavic on the Danube.
Pazar, as I already told you.. go back into the whole you came from, your ignorance knows no limits.
Parasites, you are a rather pathetic individual. Go post your BS over in the Serbian forum.
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Post by fossil on Jun 1, 2010 12:56:16 GMT -5
after all we are all just humans....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 2, 2010 2:29:49 GMT -5
Asen, you deformed creature, your nations name Bulgaria is Turkic and Turkish, there are no such things as theories because its FACTUAL, there is nothing else other than Turkish and not indo-european/aryan. Danube Bulgaria is a slavic speaking people who are a mixed Turkish and Slavic race, your not 100% european.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 2, 2010 2:38:03 GMT -5
Asen, you deformed creature, your nations name Bulgaria is Turkic and Turkish, there are no such things as theories because its FACTUAL, there is nothing else other than Turkish and not indo-european/aryan. Danube Bulgaria is a slavic speaking people who are a mixed Turkish and Slavic race, your not 100% european. Novi, frequently in the balkans and elsewhere, internal problems are being dealt with by exporting them in a nice nationalistic packaging. The definition of the "Bulgarian" is very loose. Anyone having to do with anything turkish or slav is a fine bulgar it seems... Anyway, Novi, dont get angry over the bulgos... They know better than you, what you mean. Thats why they are so sensitive... It is just that they feel better if they manage to avoid the truth.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 2, 2010 2:40:06 GMT -5
Parasites, you are a rather pathetic individual. Go post your BS over in the Serbian forum. LMAO, He IS NOT Parasites. ROTFLMFAO PS Have you noticed, that besides accusing Novi, all you do is re-write what he said?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 2, 2010 2:45:51 GMT -5
^ Thats true Pyrro, but the Danube Turkish Slavs are embarressed to say that they have Turkish origins, so Sofia has to invent theories that their Turkish ancestors are not Turkish but pure Aryans/Indo-europeans that originated from the Pamirs. History repeats with them again Pyrro, remember when we talked about their Paisije who couldn't understand why they hated calling themselves after their Turkish ancestors ;D
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Post by ioan on Jun 2, 2010 2:46:35 GMT -5
Says the Bulgarian who pretends he is Serbian and we all know Serboi are deffinately NOT Europeans too.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 2, 2010 2:53:50 GMT -5
^ Thats true Pyrro, but the Danube Turkish Slavs are embarressed to say that they have Turkish origins, so Sofia has to invent theories that their Turkish ancestors are not Turkish but pure Aryans/Indo-europeans that originated from the Pamirs. History repeats with them again Pyrro, remember when we talked about their Paisije who couldn't understand why they hated calling themselves after their Turkish ancestors ;D Novi History is b1tch. Any crimes are recorded in historical subconscious of nations and sometime in the future they will wake up to trigger a revenge. Changing, falsifying, raping history does not seem to help either. History is what we are today.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 2, 2010 3:12:47 GMT -5
"Changing, falsifying, raping history does not seem to help either. History is what we are today." Exactly Pyrro, they look like stupid fools by denying the obvious that Bulgars are a Turkish tribe with whom they have mixed with. Its like for example when some Serbs said in the past that they arn't slavs at all , well its fact, it has been recorded, same with the Turkish Bulgars, its fact and it too has been recorded, so they can't deny it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 2, 2010 3:48:52 GMT -5
Novi Bulgarians is a tortured nation. I mean look at their faces. They attribute this pessimism to the bad bad communism, but hey, Yugoslavs had communism as well, and .... war and ... bombs ... How come now all ex-YU (and especially Serbia and Rep Srpska) are ALL better off than the "european" Bulgos?
So, i urge the bulgos here to try and solve their own identity problems before messing around with others. (same holds for Greeks as well. Lets try to become Ancient Greeks and learn own true history before shifting the blame to others. )
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 2, 2010 4:13:35 GMT -5
"So, i urge the bulgos here to try and solve their own identity problems before messing around with others."
They won't Pyrro, they are too stubborn to recognise it, as you have just seen they will go to hell and back just to reinvent the wheel to say serbs are just as Turkish as they are and also just as least european as they are. Nations like these pull us serbs back like a jealous friend who drags a pal back because their own insecurity.
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Post by ioan on Jun 2, 2010 4:15:03 GMT -5
some Serbs said in the past that they arn't slavs at all they are right, Serboi werent slavs and thats exstensively recoreded by the ancient authors (unfortunately for you).
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