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Post by Pavel Chernev on May 26, 2010 7:56:46 GMT -5
Greetings friends,
Sign your name here if you wish to see the return of FYROM to the motherland, Bulgarija.
Pavel Chernev.
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Post by ioan on May 26, 2010 8:13:47 GMT -5
I do not believe in this petition, unless the Macedonians accept their Bulgarian origin... Even if they accept it, I do not believe such an union is still a good idea - too much years have passed since our separation, maybe in time we have become too different... People who have the same origin but in time, due to different historic faith, we have turned into two different people. Will the Macedonians be happy to be part of Bulgaria and will the Bulgarians be happy to be part of Macedonia at this point? I really do not know...
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Post by Nikola on May 26, 2010 8:19:54 GMT -5
I think Bulgaria should join Macedonia. That way they get Pirin back and as a bonus, some extra territory.
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Post by ivo on May 26, 2010 9:42:40 GMT -5
A unification of Macedonia and Bulgaria would be beneficial for both countries.
What's the difference!? One is a part of the other and both have equal rights to each others territories, culture, language, people, history etc.
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Post by Patrinos on May 26, 2010 10:48:32 GMT -5
Patrinos Papakontogiannakoulopoulos Patra
I sign
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Post by ljubotan on May 26, 2010 11:18:28 GMT -5
Western half to province of Kosovo, Kumanovo to Sveti Nikole to Serbia and the rest to Bulgaria.
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Post by ivo on May 26, 2010 14:25:52 GMT -5
Ljubotan, I appreciate your post.. however, Macedonia cannot be partitioned. I'm perfectly contempt with it remaining as a separate country.
A unified Macedonia-Bulgaria would be nice, but realistically, all that Bulgarians in general want is to halt the anti-Bulgarian propaganda, stop the purposeful distortion of history, and put an end to the discrimination toward those Macedonians who still identify as Bulgarians.
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Post by ljubotan on May 26, 2010 17:18:21 GMT -5
I'll add, the current borders of the Balkans are to my guess pretty final. I don't see any border changes anywhere there in our lifetime.
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Post by ivo on May 26, 2010 23:01:16 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think there'll be any border changes any time soon. The West has invested quite a bit of time and money to get things to the present situation.
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Post by Nikola on May 27, 2010 4:41:58 GMT -5
And nor should there be any border changes. I think everyone in the Balkans should suck it up and deal with it, and stop dreaming of greater this or greater that. If countries want to peacefully merge, then fine. But there is no way in a billion years anyone in Macedonia wants to merge with Bulgaria. If it came own to it, they would choose Serbia instead though even then, as a very last resort. The preference is to stay independent.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on May 27, 2010 4:56:50 GMT -5
And nor should there be any border changes. I think everyone in the Balkans should suck it up and deal with it, and stop dreaming of greater this or greater that. If countries want to peacefully merge, then fine. But there is no way in a billion years anyone in Macedonia wants to merge with Bulgaria. If it came own to it, they would choose Serbia instead though even then, as a very last resort. The preference is to stay independent. a better idea would be a super yugoslavia with FYROM and bulgaria as parts of it. full independence linguistically and culturally but common currency... if Yugoslavia has had enough markets to sell products all its people would be much happier. Unfortunately yugo market was tied to 3rd world countries. Once those countries lost their independence and became at first, developing and then "emerging" markets, they were taken by the west, hence Yugoslavia had no viable space to sell its fine products. Lets hope that this nice group of nations the south slavs, one day, they will get what they deserve... A much better future.
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Post by Nikola on May 27, 2010 5:08:16 GMT -5
Yeah, as a group, they can all be so much stronger, but there is still too much pride in the Balkans. Once claims to other people and their lands stop, maybe everyone would be more willing to cooperate. Just, that's a long way away.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 8:36:06 GMT -5
Never!!!!!!!!.
Vardar is serbian land, while western bulgaria should be returned to its original people = the serbs.
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Post by ioan on May 27, 2010 11:07:12 GMT -5
or rather the western outlands and torlakia should be given to its right owner
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Post by mystery on May 27, 2010 13:46:32 GMT -5
I think you bulgars just need to move forward and stop with the FYROM is Bulgarian crap. All these threads on how macedonians are slavs(which is true) gets annoying
It's like beating a dead horse
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Post by ivo on May 27, 2010 16:02:54 GMT -5
Mystery, bro, you a retard or what!? Leave that state of mind to idiots like Pazar and the likes.
Statements such as a "FYROM is Bulgarian" are better suited for Serbs who usually claim things along the lines of "Macedonia is Old Serbia" or "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia" etc.
None of us are saying "FYROM is Bulgarian", but rather that before Serbia's and later Yugoslavia's anti-Bulgarian political pressures Macedonians and Bulgarians were one people.
We’ve moved forward. All we want nowadays is peaceful relations and to have the anti-Bulgarian propaganda stopped. With regards to history, it’s fun to discuss it. It becomes rather hilarious when there’s sooo many sources that prove ones point, as opposed to the feeble minded propaganda crap that illiterates like Pazar post.
Sorry bud, but as long as there’s retards like Pazar that spew some old school Serb or Yugoslav propaganda, these sort of threads will keep coming. We’ve barely scratched the surface when it comes to the abundance of sources that support the Bulgarian perspective.
Even though this thread was opened by a Serb clone user it’s still interesting.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 29, 2010 9:49:42 GMT -5
^ Vardarians (Fyromians) are slavs 100%, like serbs, Bulgarians are Turks/Slavs and are not related to the slavs of old serbia. Your ancestors came from east asia, while ancestors of old serbia and serbia originated from east germany and western poland.
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Post by ioan on May 29, 2010 11:23:25 GMT -5
serbs 100 percent slavs? Are you sure? The Serboi are Iranian tribe from Asia - all the ancient authors say it. Your ancient language before slavization was related to the one spoken in Dagestan. However u personally have little to do with Serbs. You are Torlakians aka serbanized Bulgarian who speak unproper Serbian with wrong Bulgarian grammer.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 29, 2010 19:30:28 GMT -5
^ Still 100% indo-european ;D.....while your people is mixed (Turks/Slavs). Torlakian is a dialect, its a serbian dialect.
Your Bulgarian language is unproper too, its not the same as proto balkan slavic, the original slavic language when the slavs first arrived in the Balkans back in the 5/6th centuries.
This Iranian thing is a theory, its a theory like the theory that all slavs at one stage were known as SERBS!. But what is 100% fact is that your Turks (Bulgars) are an East Asian people related to the mongolians, chinese, koreans etc....your ancestors had East Asian traditions, followed chinese calendars, built yurts, shatras, drank Airag (Horse Milk), freaken had a horses tail for a flag, spoke Turkish, built their first Abode Pliska in Turkish fashion, were known to have harems etc.....
So can Bulgarians be classified as Europeans?
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Post by ioan on May 30, 2010 2:09:45 GMT -5
Yes the teory that once the slavs were serbs is based on the quote from an ancient author that says "all the slavs were SPOROI" which conviniently you and other mentally unstable people try to link to the Serbs... Unfortunately not one single well known historian accept that ... how to put it "excentric teory"..... so that teory may be your wet dream but it is deffinately not accepted widely... Bulgarian is unproper for Serbian or Russian, yes, because its close, but its different language... Thats what I meant about Torlakian... Its Bulgarian that later was somehow serbanized (lexically), thats why its sounds unproper to the Serbs... You cant say "This Iranian thing is a theory,but what is 100% fact is that your Turks" because if something is an established fact, there is no room for teories... The Iranian teory could be accepted.. Obviouslly you are wrong since u claim protobulgars were speaking Turkish because there were no Turks at that time. Turkics maybe... As for the question "So can Bulgarians be classified as Europeans?" the very same question could be asked for the Serbs... They are not originally European... Yes Iranians were Indoeuropean, but do we accept the Indians or the Persians or the Iranians as Europeans? No... So I say, my dear Novi, Serbs are just as european as the Bulgarians.
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