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Post by Red Brigade on Jun 3, 2010 11:45:33 GMT -5
The current Israeli leadership is extremist and they are also idiots. I am not sure if they were duped though, if they didn't take this decisive step the ships would have arrived in Gaza which would be a blow to Israeli foreign policy as regards the Gaza blockade. Now there will never be another ship going to Gaza, that's for sure.
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Post by Red Brigade on Jun 3, 2010 11:46:56 GMT -5
In two weeks nobody will remember it, the World Cup is beginning..
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Post by thracian08 on Jun 3, 2010 13:13:12 GMT -5
If you were bombed by grenades from the air, I think I would try to protect myself if someone landed on my ship! Did u see this footage, not the Israeli one:
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Post by thracian08 on Jun 3, 2010 13:20:19 GMT -5
Interview with Finklestein a Jew.
There were many activists from the San Francisco Bay Area Europe on that ship.
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Post by thracian08 on Jun 3, 2010 13:21:02 GMT -5
Even more shocking news;
Israel killed more than 9, threw wounded into sea, witnesses say Planes carrying 520 aid volunteers and nine dead bodies of activists killed by Israeli security forces on Monday returned home on Thursday, with many claiming mistreatment at the hands of Israeli military officers and other officials and additional allegations that not everyone has returned. Activists say some people who were initially on the flotilla are missing. They are also telling stories of horror, carnage and pure barbarism at the hands of Israeli officials. In a shocking account, Humanitarian Aid Foundation (ÝHH) President Bülent Yýldýrým, who returned on Thursday, said a photographer, whose first name was Cevdet, was shot in the forehead by a soldier one meter away from him. “Our Cevdet [Kýlýçlar], he is a press member. He has become a martyr. All he was doing was taking pictures. They smashed his skull into pieces. We soon made out that these were real bullets they were firing. Rubber bullets also kill because you shoot at very close range, between one-and-a-half and two meters.”
The head of Turkish charity the ÝHH, which organized the humanitarian aid flotilla to Gaza, said Israeli commandos shot an Indonesian doctor in the stomach and a photographer in the forehead Kevin Ovenden of Britain, an activist on the ship that arrived in Ýstanbul on Thursday, also said a man who had pointed a camera at the soldiers was shot directly through the forehead with live ammunition, with the exit wound blowing away back of his skull.
There were also claims that Israeli official reports on the number of people killed are untruthful. Yýldýrým said, “Until now they have returned nine dead bodies, but our list is bigger. There are people missing.” Speaking to journalists at Atatürk International Airport shortly after his return, Yýldýrým said: “We saw 38 injured who were brought back to us by doctors after the attack. Now they are saying there are 21 people who have been injured.” Yýldýrým was on the main passenger ship, the Mavi Marmara, which the Israeli navy attacked at the start of its raid.
Another witness, Yücel Köse, who was on the ship Gazze repeated Yýldýrým’s allegations of missing people. “The Mavi Marmara was bombed right in front of our eyes. They threw the wounded into the water,” he said. Köse said the soldiers were upset when some of their men were held by activists aboard the Mavi Marmara.
Forensic examination of bodies
‘They poisoned our food,’ claims Gaza activist
Ýbrahim Musaji, a 26-year-old activist from England who was also on the Mavi Marmara, was asleep during the raid. He says he rushed to the deck immediately after being woken up by gunfire to see his friends lying in a pool of blood. He said the soldiers threatened to kill him if he attempted to help them. “They hate people, all they want was to shed Muslim blood.” He also claimed that there was poison in the food fed to prisoners.
Recai Kaya, a representative of the Enderun Association, said one of the activists on the ship was shot by a soldier when they were returning one of the injured Israeli soldiers to the raiding force. Kaya said he was hit with a rifle butt when he tried to help an older man, who could not pull his pants back up after using the bathroom because he was handcuffed. “He was so embarrassed.” Ýstanbul Today’s Zaman Turkey’s Council of Forensic Medicine completed examining some of the bodies. The findings have not yet been announced. It will be a few weeks before the experts get back all the results, but initial statements from doctors confirm Yýldýrým’s account of the shootings at close range. According to ÝHH official Ömer Yaðmur, who spoke to the doctors, 19-year-old Furkan Doðan was killed by four bullets to the head -- all fired at close range -- and one bullet into his chest, also fired at close range. He said Doðan was studying at a private high school in Kayseri and hoped to become a doctor in the future.
The council also confirmed yesterday that eight of the nine bodies brought back from Israel belong to Turkish citizens. The ninth person was identified as a US citizen of Turkish origin. More than 500 activists who were brought to Turkey were examined on Thursday by 120 forensic medicine experts and their assistants.
People thrown into the sea
Activist Ýdris Þimþek, who also arrived on Thursday, claims that four wounded activists were thrown into the sea. Þimþek also stated that there was immense psychological pressure on the activists. Þimþek said they expected some harassment but had no inkling of what would happen, noting that they were not expecting an armed attack. He also mentioned that there were no weapons, including a small Swiss army knife that some foreign press organs claimed was on the ship. He stated, as many other activists have, that the person who was waving a white flag to surrender was shot by soldiers. He said that he saw many people lying in puddles of blood after the soldiers opened fire.
Erol Demir, another activist on the Mavi Marmara, said they had footage of the chaos and the carnage on the ship, emphasizing that the footage will show the real face of Israeli solders to the entire world. “They even shot those who surrendered. Many of our friends saw this. They told me that there were handcuffed people who were shot.” All activists stated that Israeli helicopters sprayed cold seawater onto the ship for three hours.
Hakan Albayrak, a journalist from the Yeni Þafak daily who was also on the ship, said: “It was an outright massacre what Israel did out there. They attacked us in international waters. We protected our ship. We had no weapons. I think we lost more people.”
Activist Özlem Þahin Ermiþ said 60 soldiers took her hostage. The prisoners were harassed by violent attack dogs and some were badly bitten. She also noted that they were not fed any food or given anything to drink during their initial interrogation on the ship.
The ÝHH said the activists Çelebi Bozan, Osman Kurç and Aydýn Ataç were definitely still missing. These individuals might still be in a hospital in Israel, ÝHH officials said. Meanwhile, the full list of the names of the nine Turks whose corpses were sent to Turkey and their hometowns were announced as Ýbrahim Bilgen - Siirt, Ali Haydar Bengi - Diyarbakýr, Cevdet Kýlýçlar - Ýstanbul (ÝHH staff), Çetin Topçuoðlu - Adana (national taekwondo team member), Necdet Yýldýrým - Malatya (ÝHH staff), Furkan Doðan - Kayseri, Fahri Yaldýz - Adýyaman, Cengiz Songür - Ýzmir and Cengiz Akyüz - Hatay. Doðan was only 19. He was killed with four bullets to the head and one to the chest.
Ahmet Aydan Beker from Kayseri (critically injured), Mehmet Ali Zeybek of Diyarbakýr (critically wounded and under arrest) and Uður Süleyman Söylemez from Ýstanbul are being treated in Israeli hospitals. 03.06.2010 News TODAY’S ZAMAN
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Post by thracian08 on Jun 3, 2010 13:22:35 GMT -5
The head of Turkish charity the ÝHH, which organized the humanitarian aid flotilla to Gaza, said Israeli commandos shot an Indonesian doctor in the stomach and a photographer in the forehead
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Post by Nikola on Jun 4, 2010 2:11:17 GMT -5
May not be completely appropriate but this made me chuckle.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 4, 2010 2:57:22 GMT -5
Vinjak, your whole stance on the issue is a sign of maturity. Turkey/arabs playing the victim card in this way is ridiculous. The arab world is so backwards and weak that it can be broken like a nut and turned into a civil war in a few days. Turkey was brave when violated the Greek airspace with their brand new american F16, but now they whine like little girls. I never could imagine Turkey playing this role.... totally bin laden afgan style.
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