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Post by bato2 on Apr 13, 2010 0:16:53 GMT -5
A very interesting article From Russian Genetic Studies which addresses the issue of the Mongoloid mitochondrial component in Slavs. The overwhelming majority of mtDNA clusters, identified in Czechs, were of the western-Eurasian origin. The frequency of eastern-Eurasian (Mongoloid) mtDNA lineages in this population constituted 1.8% (haplogroups A, N9a, and M). African lineage (with the frequency of 0.4%) belonging to haplogroup L2a and marked by the +13803HaeIII variant was also detected. ... Low frequency of Mongoloid mtDNA variant in Letts and Lithuanians suggests that Mongoloid component was probably not typical of Balto-Slavic protogene pool. Thus, it seems reasonable that accumulation of Mongoloid mtDNA lineages in Slavs and their ancestors was intensified only in the last 4000 years. ... The highest frequencies of the Mongoloid component are typical of the Russian populations from Russian Pomor’e and Northwestern region. These populations, however, differ in the mtDNA haplogroup composition. It was established that assimilation of the indigenous pre-Slavic population of Eastern Europe by true Slavs was of great importance to the process of the development of Russian population. ... It is suggested that after the decay of Avar Khaganate the populations included into it were assimilated by Slavic tribes [34]. It is thereby suggested that rather high frequencies of eastern-Eurasian mtDNA lineages observed in the gene pools of some populations of Western and Southern Slavs (especially on the territoryof former Avar Khaganate) can be considered as a consequence of the process described. Concerning the population of Eastern Europe, it should be noted that the forest zone of Eastern Europe was the area of intense population admixture [35]. It seems likely, that formation of the complex of Mongoloid traits happened not later than in Upper Paleolithic. For this reason, it is suggested that East Siberian populations could have much time for migration to Eastern Europe [35]. The number of such migrations still remains unclear, since in the northwest of Eastern Europe Mongoloid component is detected 10 000–8000 years ago; in Dnepr–Donetsk tribes, 7000–6000 years ago, and on the territory of Ivanovo oblast (Sakhtysh), 6000–5000 years ago [35, 36]. The data on mtDNA variation in Russian populations are consistent with anthropological data, since they point to the substantial differences in the frequencies of Mongoloid mtDNA lineages between the Russian populations of the Russian North, Northwest, and the central/southern regions of the European part of Russia (Table 3). We hope that future investigations would provide the possibility of analyzing the chronology of the development of the Mongoloid component diversity in the gene pools of Russians and other Slavic populations. Russian Journal of Genetics, 10.1007/s11177-008-3016-9 B. A. Malyarchuk1 Contact Information, M. A. Perkova1 and M. V. Derenko1 (1) Institute of Biological Problems of the North, Russian Academy of Sciences, Magadan, 685000, Russia Received: 21 December 2006 Published online: 4 April 2008 Abstract The data on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) restriction polymorphism in Czech population (n = 279) are presented. It was demonstrated that in terms of their structure, mitochondrial gene pools of Czechs and other Slavic populations (Russians, Poles, Slovenians, and Bosnians) were practically indistinguishable. In Czechs, the frequency of eastern-Eurasian (Mongoloid) mtDNA lineages constituted 1.8%. The spread of eastern-Eurasian mtDNA lineages belonging to different ethnolinguistic groups in the populations of Europe was examined. Frequency variations of these DNA lineages in different Slavic groups was observed, with the range from 1.2 and 1.6% in Southern and Western Slavs, respectively, to 1.3 to 5.2% in Eastern Slavs, the Russian population of Eastern Europe. The highest frequency of Mongoloid component was detected in the mitochondrial gene pools of Russian populations from the Russian North and the Northwestern region of Russia. This finding can be explained in terms of assimilation of northern-European Finno-Ugric populations during the formation of the Russian population of these regions. The origin of Mongoloid component in the gene pools of different groups of Slavs is discussed. Original Russian Text © B.A. Malyarchuk, M.A. Perkova, M.V. . www.mitochondrial.net/showabstract.php?pmid=18398433
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 13, 2010 0:25:49 GMT -5
But wheres the part that it says that slavs were africans mogoloids? bato, that title you made up doesn't even make grammatical sense. Anyways I def believe there is Asian elements in the slavic gene pool. It's most obvious amongst Russians but there are heaps of Serbs and south slavs also with an Asiatic look that's for sure.
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Post by bato2 on Apr 13, 2010 1:09:36 GMT -5
But wheres the part that it says that slavs were africans mogoloids? bato, that title you made up doesn't even make grammatical sense. Anyways I def believe there is Asian elements in the slavic gene pool. It's most obvious amongst Russians but there are heaps of Serbs and south slavs also with an Asiatic look that's for sure. Dude read it well...Slavs have the highest African-mongloid Genetic stock in Europe. Among Slav Russians have the highest of all. In this study as you can se are not included Serbs but Bosniaks which have high level to.
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Post by tsompanos on Apr 13, 2010 10:22:16 GMT -5
african-mongoloid? lol So all slavs should look a little like Tiger Woods then ;D
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Post by Username on Apr 13, 2010 16:59:51 GMT -5
But wheres the part that it says that slavs were africans mogoloids? bato, that title you made up doesn't even make grammatical sense. Anyways I def believe there is Asian elements in the slavic gene pool. It's most obvious amongst Russians but there are heaps of Serbs and south slavs also with an Asiatic look that's for sure. Dude read it well...Slavs have the highest African-mongloid Genetic stock in Europe. Among Slav Russians have the highest of all. In this study as you can se are not included Serbs but Bosniaks which have high level to. "high" as in 1%? Right... Anyways, that's not a surprise.. just look at the geography.. and I would assume that it doesn't only include Slavs.. I'm sure it would include other Eastern European people like Romanians, Hungarians, Albanians and Greeks.. probably more a matter of geography than ethnicity.
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Post by leshte on Apr 19, 2010 1:16:39 GMT -5
More a matter of being humans. Humanity originated in Africa, then originating from there people moved all over.
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Post by berhane on Jun 17, 2010 17:34:57 GMT -5
Greetings: I have been researching this connection for years and stumbled upon your post in this website. I felt a need to reply to this post, because, for a certain segment of the Russian population, there is truth in this. My family are all from Russia, but we did not know precisely where. Therefore, my cousin (male) had a Y-chromosome DNA test, which revealed Ethiopian, Middle-Eastern, and Slavic allelles. We were surprised (and we think it's nice to know our ethnic identity.) I then had a full mitochondrial (MtDNA) test to determine the matriarchal side, which revealed the X2 haplotype, which indicates Eurasian ancestry, not Slavic. So, if one puts both patriarchial and matriarchal together, my family are an example of this "Afro-Asian" subgroup. There are physical characteristics that appear in some individuals every generation, such as epithelial eye folds (Asian) or black hair/darker skin and somewhat African facial shape. I think that if most persons had a full DNA test, the results would probably show some surprises. There are probably few individuals on earth who do not have a mixture of ethnic ancestry. There is, indeed, only one race (human). Thanks for the post.
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Post by thracian08 on Jun 18, 2010 14:24:48 GMT -5
I believe Russians/Ukrainians are mixed with Mongols, and Turks.
A lot of Russians have round faces, high cheek bones, and even almond shaped eyes.
They are also mixed with Vikings, they are not a pure race, hence some Russians, and fewer Ukrainians have blonde hair and blue eyes.
I even know that Tatars who are Turks, are no different looking from Russians.
It definetely makes sense. if you look at Russian history.
However, I don't agree with the African thing, I mean if they are mixed with Blacks, then they should have dark skin. And they do not have black features, like curvy body, etc.
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Post by gavrilo on Jun 18, 2010 18:32:19 GMT -5
So would mongols or asians or turkic people have a high african frequency?
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Post by Username on Jun 25, 2010 17:06:48 GMT -5
I would like to know why a moderator here is allowed to post such a trollish topic - "Slavs were african mongoloids".. meanwhile showing that he knows nothing about genetics.
Plant a "instigator" rank on him instead maybe?
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