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Dracula
Jun 19, 2010 13:32:11 GMT -5
Post by dezboy on Jun 19, 2010 13:32:11 GMT -5
Here's something interesting for my Hungarian friends
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Dracula
Jun 27, 2010 11:47:32 GMT -5
Post by wbb on Jun 27, 2010 11:47:32 GMT -5
Yes i know, i got this on DVD. That time the world was still speaking the truth, not like today...21st century...fukn lies, lies and fukn fairytale lies.
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Dracula
Aug 19, 2010 6:00:07 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Aug 19, 2010 6:00:07 GMT -5
I don't know who is lying about what. The only thing we claim is that the name was taken from Vlad Dracula. Nothing else. That ain't no lie.
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Dracula
Aug 19, 2010 12:10:49 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Aug 19, 2010 12:10:49 GMT -5
Not only that (the name), Stoker mixed a lot of things, he hasn't done much proper research as he mentions Slovaks and Czechs living in E Carpathians and so on but it's obvious he read a certain book about the history of Moldavia and Wallachia not only because of the name Dracula but we have the descriptions of the battle of Posada, of the fights between Vlad and his brother Radu and so on. Stoker became intrigued by the name "Dracula", after reading William Wilkenson's book Account of the Principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia with Political Observations Relative to Them (London 1820), which he found in the Whitby Library, and consulted a number of times during visits to Whitby in the 1890s.Some quotes for Stoker's book, Dracula speaking: "Not so," he answered. "Well, I know that, did I move and speak in your London, none there are who would not know me for a stranger. That is not enough for me. Here I am noble. I am a Boyar. The common people know me, and I am master. But a stranger in a strange land, he is no one.At that time only Romanians had Boyars, Russians used to have them too until Peter the Great, some others had Boyars too like Bulgarians but they were wiped out by the Turks since the XIVth century. "That treasure has been hidden," he went on, "in the region through which you came last night, there can be but little doubt. For it was the ground fought over for centuries by the Wallachian, the Saxon, and the Turk. Why, there is hardly a foot of soil in all this region that has not been enriched by the blood of men, patriots or invaders. In the old days there were stirring times, when the Austrian and the Hungarian came up in hordes, and the patriots went out to meet them, men and women, the aged and the children too, and waited their coming on the rocks above the passes, that they might sweep destruction on them with their artificial avalanches. When the invader was triumphant he found but little, for whatever there was had been sheltered in the friendly soil."It's the obvious description of the battle of Posada, the Hungarians acording to Stoker's Dracula were invading hordes, which we all know they are. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_PosadaWhen was redeemed that great shame of my nation, the shame of Cassova, when the flags of the Wallach and the Magyar went down beneath the Crescent? Who was it but one of my own race who as Voivode crossed the Danube and beat the Turk on his own ground? This was a Dracula indeed! Woe was it that his own unworthy brother, when he had fallen, sold his people to the Turk and brought the shame of slavery on them! Was it not this Dracula, indeed, who inspired that other of his race who in a later age again and again brought his forces over the great river into Turkeyland, who, when he was beaten back, came again, and again, though he had to come alone from the bloody field where his troops were being slaughtered, since he knew that he alone could ultimately triumph!It is clearly about the war between Wallachia and the Ottomans during the reign of Vlad, his campaign S of Danube and the conflict with his "unworthy brother" Radu. Take a look: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_AttackStoker tried to spice up the things by connecting Dracula with Attila through the Szeklers, yet it's obviously a contrived thing, a late addition, since he never mentions the Szeklers or anything connecting to them in any other context.
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Dracula
Aug 23, 2010 8:46:15 GMT -5
Post by dezboy on Aug 23, 2010 8:46:15 GMT -5
The Hungarian army at Posada was a well established army wearing armor, marching in formation when it was ambushed by primitive, ragged vlach peasnts who had no organization, writing or leadership. The "hoard"was obviously the savage mountain inhabitants, the "cioban". BTW Stoker new nothing of tepes, its interesting that the print above is in German.
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Dracula
Aug 23, 2010 10:18:04 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Aug 23, 2010 10:18:04 GMT -5
The hordes are always invading like the pathetic army of Carol Robert. The place of the battle was carefully chosen so the Hungarians had no chance to run (as it was/is a well known Hungarian habit), there were trenches ditched in front and mountain slopes on both sides. The Chronicum Pictum although filled with Asiatic frustration let us grasp there real picture, if the result was not enough, a King running like a coward after three days of battle (more like three days of pest control) and arriving in dirty rags in Hungary, it's more than enough. I wonder why he didn't stopped in Transylvania at least to change his clothes but choose to sneak through woods and avoided any contact.
Anyway, Carol Robert was warned, there was a document from 1325 in which is mentioned of a fight between two Hungarian nobles who was started when one of them, Stefan son of Parabuh (a Cuman), said that the pathetic Hungarian king is no match for the armed might of Basarab which we now know he was spot on. So he was saying the ciobans were much powerful than that canned weaklings, after all a girl dressed in armor and marching in formation is still a girl.
As for the print above, it's the contemporaneous propaganda prints made by the Saxons of Sibiu or Braşov.
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Dracula
Aug 23, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5
Post by dezboy on Aug 23, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5
You poor fellow.....hoards consist of uneducated, mindless followers, the cioban mountain people had no writing or organization so they followed the leadership of Cumans (basarab), they were your asiatic lords. Even today the average peasant Romanian is a tatarish mixture, non-white. Please don't speak of "documents"....the vlach people had no written language until the 1500s, then it was cyrillac, following your Bulgarian masters.
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Dracula
Aug 23, 2010 15:05:49 GMT -5
Post by Catcher in the Rye on Aug 23, 2010 15:05:49 GMT -5
'Hoards' consist of valuables like money, jewelery etc, you moron. The army of Carol Robert had Cuman auxiliary which were all killed in the battle since they were wearing no heavy armor to protect them from the arrows. Basarab was no Cuman but Romanian according to all the contemporaneous documents. Those Gypsy like Cumans (who lived only on a small strech of land in S-E Romania) emigrated all in Hungary in fear of the Tatars, they even gave you a king and a lot of your present blood. Although the following video is not very well made it still shows your mongrelized tribe as it really is. it's because of the Hungarization of Germans, Slovaks and Romanians that many of today Hungarians don't look like those primitives 1000 ago. BTW Carol Robert was probably illiterate since although he received a letter of warning from Basarab that his butt is about to be owned, he didn't knew how to read it. The episode with the Wallachian envoy is depicted even in the Chronicum Pictum: In the same time we have the image of Basarab from the Princely Church he built in Curtea de Argeş where he moved his court after the old one of Câmpulung was burned by the horde while we can only see the idiot Carol Robert in a fantasy poor miniature from a medieval Chronicle. This is the Chruch built in Curtea de Argeş by Basarab where are his painting and grave. So much of the uneducated Mongolians, they don't even have a real depiction of that ridiculous Carol Robert. Who would want to paint a looser anyway. BTW looking in another Hungarian Chronicle we see a different amateurish painting of the Battle of Posada. But of course while both miniatures are fantasy, those will never beat that Hungarian XIXth century ridiculous painting that shows the pathetic soul of a ever losing people.
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Dracula
Aug 24, 2010 6:56:12 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Aug 24, 2010 6:56:12 GMT -5
Well said, AofG. Very interesting stuff.
Ungaro, in your face, bitch! mwuahahahaha!
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Dracula
Aug 24, 2010 12:56:28 GMT -5
Post by dezboy on Aug 24, 2010 12:56:28 GMT -5
Romanians do make me laugh, you people are so oversensitized that you lash out in frustration about anything that casts you in a bad light whether its true or false. I'll be the 1st to admit that Hungarians are from asia and that turanid genes are part of our make up and that we've evolved european features over the centuries, Hungarians have nothing to hide. Romanians on the other hand seem to be ashamed of their true history, I wonder why? Catcher in the Rye seems to be an overly aggressive and angry individual who's only giving his country a worse name than it already has. anittas, are you speaking to me? who or what is ungaro? you sound really gay.
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Dracula
Aug 24, 2010 13:10:17 GMT -5
Post by Anittas on Aug 24, 2010 13:10:17 GMT -5
If not Ungaro, then Mikh. Whateva'....
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Dracula
Aug 24, 2010 16:11:35 GMT -5
Post by dezboy on Aug 24, 2010 16:11:35 GMT -5
whats Mikh? you're crazy
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