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Post by Arxileas on Jun 21, 2010 8:41:58 GMT -5
Crisis forcing migrants home Thousands of immigrants who have lived in Greece for years, chiefly Albanians, are moving back to their homelands as the impact of the financial crisis bites into their incomes, Kathimerini has learned. Travel agencies across the capital are reporting a significant increase among migrants buying coach tickets to their native countries for themselves and their families. “My office is reserving tickets for about 10 families every month,” said Petros Matzaris, who runs an agency in central Athens that organizes coach trips to Albania. He said the exodus began about two years ago and has peaked in recent months. “We are expecting another big wave of departures now that schools are closing for summer,” Matzaris said. He said many families are leaving earlier than usual for their summer vacations as work has dried up. Many have no intention of returning while some will send back their wives and children so the youngsters can finish school, he added. Nikita Tsiprian, who works in another travel agency on central Acharnon Street, reported the same trend. “Some construction workers tell me that they have hardly had any work at all for the past six months,” he said. Most of the migrants leaving Greece are Albanians, with smaller numbers from Bulgaria and the countries of the former Soviet bloc. www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100011_21/06/2010_117827
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Post by zoti on Jun 21, 2010 13:13:11 GMT -5
Awesome news for both sides.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 21, 2010 14:35:33 GMT -5
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Post by logjiktek on Jun 21, 2010 14:46:46 GMT -5
Hello Orthodcks,
Awesome. Hey just a request, when the Africans and Arabs become the main immigrant group in Greece and replace the jobs the Alvanos left behind, can you please keep them in Greece?
Yours Truely,
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 21, 2010 14:51:41 GMT -5
If you except Albania to develop economicaly you should also except lots of niggers or afghans over there....
make you choises...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 21, 2010 16:06:18 GMT -5
Why dont the indians pakistanis etc leave? Are they going to stay forever? How much worse does our financial and economic situation to become in order to make them leave?
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Post by logjiktek on Jun 21, 2010 16:06:46 GMT -5
If you except Albania to develop economicaly you should also except lots of n**g**rs or afghans over there.... make you choises... Is that what the WASPS and the Nazis told you? Accept immigrants into your country and you will become rich?
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 21, 2010 16:12:11 GMT -5
If you except Albania to develop economicaly you should also except lots of n**g**rs or afghans over there.... make you choises... Is that what the WASPS and the Nazis told you? Accept immigrants into your country and you will become rich? well not. but logic says that when your level of life is getting higher more people, neighboring and not, would try to find a better future there. I really don't believe that any other people will cause/or caused so many criminality problems like Alvanoi. I really can't explain it, maybe its Hoxha's fault, and the 40-50 years you were in a cage...
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Post by donnie on Jun 21, 2010 16:32:39 GMT -5
If you except Albania to develop economicaly you should also except lots of n**g**rs or afghans over there.... make you choises... "except" -- you mean expect and accept? Immigration isnt a prerequisite for economic growth, rather it is more often a consequence of it, because improved living standards result in two things; an increased need of cheap labour which must be sought abroad, & birth rates stagnating or dwindling thus creating the need to accept immigrants as population ageing can become a serious issue in industrialized countries. But that is a long timefrom now ... we will experience and enjoy economic growth for quite some time before we need to import labour, bcs momentarily we have Europe's youngest population and we're seemingly overpopulated in my eyes. LOL, we're your bogeyman ... grow up!
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 21, 2010 17:01:29 GMT -5
LOL, we're your bogeyman ... grow up! i really can't forget, being 8-9 years old, when Albos had already arrived en masse, guys that were behaving like Mogli ... not even the Afghans behave like this.
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Post by mystery on Jun 21, 2010 17:06:25 GMT -5
LOL, Greece needs the alvanos. Once the albanians leave you will have niggers and pakis as the backbone of Greece as Greeks are aging.
1971- 10% over age of 65 1981- 12.7% 1991- 13.7 % 2001- 16.7% 2008- 19.1%
I am pretty sure that 1/3 or 1/4 greeks(not immigrants) are over the age of 65. You have a older population then the US while Greece only has what 10mil? Immigrants are rarely count as the old population.. Greeks are getting old and needs immigrants in order to function as a economy. So if you don't want the albanians enjoy the africans and pakis.
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Post by leka on Jun 21, 2010 17:53:49 GMT -5
Greeks themselves will live and Indians and Pakis will stay there.They survive with $2 a day. So prepare to have them for good.Albanians are living,Greeks are to follow.
Personaly I like Greece,been there,but I dont understand the hate of them for Alb.We share so so many things.
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Post by Patrinos on Jun 21, 2010 18:13:58 GMT -5
leka, we wouldn't have problems if Albos didn't came here in hundreds of thousands and did/do all these things. To repeat myself, before 1990, Greeks didn't even consider to lock their doors, or close them during summer. A killing was the talk of the town for years. Now we are get used to lock the doors(i have a dog so it doesn't count for me...), and we are used to hear on the news about killings, rapes etc...
I think its very "natural" Albanians to have some complexes, and huge social and mentality problems due to the <40 years isolation and propaganda. If you can't understand it you're blind.
we found another solution. we work more years... not take pension in 45...
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Post by donnie on Jun 21, 2010 20:01:36 GMT -5
leka, we wouldn't have problems if Albos didn't came here in hundreds of thousands and did/do all these things. To repeat myself, before 1990, Greeks didn't even consider to lock their doors, or close them during summer. A killing was the talk of the town for years. Now we are get used to lock the doors(i have a dog so it doesn't count for me...), and we are used to hear on the news about killings, rapes etc... I think its very "natural" Albanians to have some complexes, and huge social and mentality problems due to the <40 years isolation and propaganda. If you can't understand it you're blind. we found another solution. we work more years... not take pension in 45... Are you seriously suggesting there were no killings, no rapes previous to Albanian immigration? ;D Youre as bad as the Serbs, if not worse, trully.
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Post by leka on Jun 21, 2010 20:03:00 GMT -5
patrinos,I am glad that you have a dog and fill safe from albos and long life to it. I doubt that you heard about alb.only after 1990.I am shure you grandpa told you something about "turkalvanos",so fellings for "turkalvanos"are older that you thing,much older then "40 years isolation and propaganda". On the other hande,you might have heard for albs in greece les than a german might have heard for greek immigrants in germany or australian in australia. When I say we share so so many things,somme bad things are includet too. I lived for few months in early 90-s,I know how greeks are,you need to put you feet in albania and you will see for yourself.But I think greece is cursed with worst immigranst,bcs,they come to greece only when they cant go somewhere alse.
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Post by Kanaris on Jun 21, 2010 21:17:58 GMT -5
leka, we wouldn't have problems if Albos didn't came here in hundreds of thousands and did/do all these things. To repeat myself, before 1990, Greeks didn't even consider to lock their doors, or close them during summer. A killing was the talk of the town for years. Now we are get used to lock the doors(i have a dog so it doesn't count for me...), and we are used to hear on the news about killings, rapes etc... I think its very "natural" Albanians to have some complexes, and huge social and mentality problems due to the <40 years isolation and propaganda. If you can't understand it you're blind. we found another solution. we work more years... not take pension in 45... Are you seriously suggesting there were no killings, no rapes previous to Albanian immigration? ;D Youre as bad as the Serbs, if not worse, trully. Athens had the lowest homicide rates in Europe..and by lowest I mean about 10 to 15 murders a year and that was back in the mid 90's. I am not blaming just the Albanians but altogether the culture shock of adding over 1,200,000 aliens to the Athens metropolitan area... things will happen...
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 21, 2010 21:41:55 GMT -5
Your blaming the Albanians for the hysteria your media concocted? Ever heard of psychology? Its a relatively new science that was created by a bunch of German guys a century ago... look into it.
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Post by donnie on Jun 21, 2010 22:02:11 GMT -5
Are you seriously suggesting there were no killings, no rapes previous to Albanian immigration? ;D Youre as bad as the Serbs, if not worse, trully. Athens had the lowest homicide rates in Europe..and by lowest I mean about 10 to 15 murders a year and that was back in the mid 90's. I am not blaming just the Albanians but altogether the culture shock of adding over 1,200,000 aliens to the Athens metropolitan area... things will happen... Indeed, I havent even disputed that, afterall, most of the immigrants were impoverished, many saw the criminal ways as a mean for quick prosper. But the inflated picture created by the Greek media has certainly given alot of your compatriots a skewed or even completely distorted self-perception and view of the immigrants, as two perfect opposites of good vs evil ,,, you have Patrinos here claiming seriously people never heard of murders and rapes before the ravaging hordes came from the north ... please, it sounds like a tale from the middle age describing Genghis Khan. A similiar media hysteria occured in Yugoslavia, which is why I am reacting with criticism, bcs as I said,I suffer no illusions that we're perfect angels, afterall, alot of the immigrants who went to Greece were among the most impoverished and rural elements of the country and many saw criminality as the only or best way out of their misery ... I just believe the extension of it all is BS and exaggerated by the media. In Yugoslavia, as I said, Serbian media claimed likewise that Albanians in Kosova during the 80s were organizing "rape campaigns" on Serbian women and girls as a mean of driving them out of Kosova. The hysteria took disgusting proportions and just like Patrinos here, its aim was to dehumanize an entire populaon through generalizations and exaggerations. Contrary to the vile reports of the media, real statistics showed a different picture; in a population of 10,000 men, there were 0.96 per cent rapes in Kosova, compared to 2.43 per cent in Serbia!!! Not to mention that in seventy per cent of the cases in Kosova, victim and assailant were of the same ethnicity. Do you see where I am heading? It's like astrologists mentioning a dosen or more personality traits when trying to describe you, he will be wrong in ninety per cent of the cases but you will remember only the parts where he was accurate... likewise, Greek media with its tendency of revealing the assailant's ethnic identity, will fix Albanian criminals' on peoples' minds because it is more interesting for people to analyze it all with an ethnic flavour to it, with the dictatorship as a background discussion etc, the human experiment topic (how Hoxa created three million and a half braindead rapists and murderers), as a way to feel better themselves ... while all the other murders and rapes where no ethnicity is revealed (read ethnic Greek assailants) are weeded out by the brain, simply not registered ... you remember what you want to remember, and voila,you have five hundred thousand of evil savage immigrants from the north wanting to violate your female relatives and kill you on top of it .. all in your paranoid head of course. It's like this forum; Patrinos cries "monster"about the Albanian woman who killed her Greek boyfriend (I concur, a monster indeed) but is all defensive when I posted the article of*greek father and son attacking an Albanain family, killing their unborn baby in the process.
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Post by Arxileas on Jun 21, 2010 22:27:24 GMT -5
I lived for few months in early 90-s,I know how greeks are,you need to put you feet in albania and you will see for yourself.But I think greece is cursed with worst immigranst,bcs,they come to greece only when they cant go somewhere alse. There is truth in this, now when Albania's economy get more prosperous then it'll be your turn for mass illegals on your lands...
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Post by Kastorianos on Jun 22, 2010 1:02:03 GMT -5
These relativization-attempts of the albanians here are really funny. As if we people would be stupid...as if...this crap with the psychology would really convince anyone...
I mean...wtf...we dont need the Greek media to know that many things have changed in Greece since 1990. The door-thing is just one example but a clearly significant one. The average Greek cant be blamed for generalizing...since its not up to him to relativize...thats the task of statistic- institutes. Each criminal albanian is one too much...no matter if 10 others are ok...since in comparison to Greeks...just one out of 1000 is criminal. Thats what this is all about.
Albanians are strange people...truly...we have neighbours from Kosovo...they are so f.ucking backward...even the Turks do backbite them...I mean how couldnt they...the albanians are behaving like they came from the zoo or sth...they are beggars...but simultaneously harsh...they are dirty...dropping their waste to street whole time...I mean wtf...where are we living here...this is not Kosovo or albania. But essentially...they have the German flag on their balcony during the world cups ;D...the albanians...and their strong national pride... if just 1 out of 10 albanians are like that...its no wonder no one wants you guys. As if we people are obligated to check each of you...they clearly arent.
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