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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 9:55:55 GMT -5
Kosovo: Unprecedented case Unilateral declaration of Kosovo's independence did not violate the international law, said the Chairman of the International Criminal Court announcing the Court's consultative conclusion. As the Court's verdict reads, the international law does not ban declarations of independence. (Voice of Russia) Saturday, July 24, 2010 An enquiry on the subject was made by the UN General Assembly in October 2008. It was clear then, that the international law and the so-called political common sense will clash in the case. The Kosovo problem has no precedent. The UN International Criminal Court has never considered a case about a territory seceding from a UN member-state without the agreement of that state. Hence, all the high emotions around the verdict. This was confirmed by an open hearing in the Hague in December 2009. The opponents to Kosovo's independence, with Russia and Serbia at the head, stressed gross violations of the international law, in particular the inviolability of the borders. They were opposed by the Albanian authorities of Kosovo, the USA and the EU leading countries that have already recognized the independence of Kosovo and consider it an accomplished fact. France doubted the authority of the UN International Court to discuss the problem, as in the opinion of Paris, it was a political problem. As decisions in such cases are made by the majority of votes, it was clear that Albanian separatists from Kosovo would be a success. The Kosovo Foreign Minister has already declared that the government is ready to control the northern part of the region inhabited by Serbians. It must be remembered that consultative conclusions of the UN International Court do not have the status of law. Anyway, they make an illegitimate act perfectly legitimate, believes Anna Filimonova, an expert in the Balkan Region. "For the Serbians living in that area it means gradual assimilation, giving up their history and national roots. There is also a threat to Southern Serbia. It is a blow to Serbians' national identity," Anna Filimonova said. Anyway, it is too early for the Kosovo Albanian authorities to celebrate victory. The consultative conclusion of the International Criminal Court will be considered by the UN General Assembly in September this year. The Serbian Vice Prime Minister has said that his country will submit a draft resolution of reaching a compromise on all issues, including the Kosovo status. It means a demand of more negotiations between Serbia and Kosovo. Apart from that, the conclusions and arguments of the International Court are not restricted by the Balkan region only. They will be closely studied and used for settling other similar conflicts, such as the Caucasus and other post-Soviet regions. Today's conclusion of the International Court is not the end of the Kosovo case but the beginning of numerous new geopolitical battles. english.ruvr.ru/2010/07/22/13171184.html
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Post by Gigolo on Jul 24, 2010 17:24:17 GMT -5
Kosovo: Independant country
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Post by vinjak on Jul 24, 2010 18:12:45 GMT -5
Kosovo: Independant country Serbia still fighting
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Post by jonleka on Jul 24, 2010 18:14:57 GMT -5
Fighting a lost cause
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Post by vinjak on Jul 24, 2010 18:19:32 GMT -5
Fighting a lost cause When it comes to something that is yours it is never a lost cause.... Serbia fought for 500 years last time and it will keep fighting now.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 24, 2010 18:21:09 GMT -5
A lost cause indeed. Shqiptars and their masters don't understand negotiations. All they understand is brute force. This is why America has basically disregarded or torn up every treaty it has ever signed and betrayed almost every ally it has ever had.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 24, 2010 19:01:31 GMT -5
A lost cause indeed. Shqiptars and their masters don't understand negotiations. All they understand is brute force. This is why America has basically disregarded or torn up every treaty it has ever signed and betrayed almost every ally it has ever had. What goes up must come down. The USA is definently at it's peak. Sooner or later, especially with all the foreign debts and inflations that are increasing in the US, their economy is dying a slow painful death. The USA is also globally far too stretch to do anything about Serbia the way they did back in the 90's, the USA still wants to invade Iran and North Korea but their war in Afghanistan and Iraq is falling as more and more casualties are increasing as each day goes by to the US troops, also the USA is too much of a pussy to even send it's ground troops anywhere fearing casualties in which they cannot afford. The Soviet Union fell once it reached it's peak and now it is slowly happening to the USA. As the USA falls, Russia at the same time is slowly rising up and more and more each day the EU is pretty much dependent on Russia's energy such as natural gas and oil.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 24, 2010 19:06:20 GMT -5
Yes, now would be the perfect time to prepare for war. Too bad traitors are at the helm.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 19:14:14 GMT -5
^ l could be wrong, but Tadich's vision of serbia joining the EU is a massive mistake. The gas storage facility and south stream will prevent Vojvodina separting, it will also prevent the cowboys from bombing serbia ever again.
In my opinion Tadich must be removed from office immediately and replaced by someone who believes in securing our borders and telling the EU to get F***ED. We need someone who is more firm regarding kosovo, we must stop this BS of compromising for others, l want people to compromise for us.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 24, 2010 19:20:25 GMT -5
The EU each day is making useless conditions each day for Serbia before joining the EU. It feels as if the EU is teasing Serbia and making her go through all this crap only to find out at the end that the EU is not expending anymore, it's reached it's peak on expansion. So i perfectly agree with you, joining the EU is giving up it's sovereignty, it is like signing the deed over to a corporate rich person in return for allowing the family to continue to live their, but later on forcing the family to pay rent and other crap.
This is the same with EU, the EU will have virtually all control over our country if we end up joining it, so F*CK EU. Not joining the EU will be a victory for us.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 19:24:06 GMT -5
"Fighting a lost cause"
Drena, its no way a lost cause, it never will be. The ICJ ruling was a surprise, your masters had set the whole thing up by making it a non-binding ruling so they can get more recognitions from it because its been a failure for the Pristina regime so far.
It will only be a lost cause *IF* the BRIC nations recognise it.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 24, 2010 19:36:42 GMT -5
"The EU each day is making useless conditions each day for Serbia before joining the EU. It feels as if the EU is teasing Serbia and making her go through all this crap only to find out at the end that the EU is not expending anymore, it's reached it's peak on expansion. So i perfectly agree with you, joining the EU is giving up it's sovereignty, it is like signing the deed over to a corporate rich person in return for allowing the family to continue to live their, but later on forcing the family to pay rent and other crap."
"This is the same with EU, the EU will have virtually all control over our country if we end up joining it, so F*CK EU. Not joining the EU will be a victory for us."
Stanko, l said awhile ago that the only nations who will benefit from the EU will be France, Germany etc....they are the factory managers, while the rest will be slaves working for their crust. You must remember Stanko, Serbia is a poor country, many people look at these big guns and perceive that joining the EU will improve their lives because they want to have what they have, without looking at the bigger picture. For Serbia's sake, joining the EU will be like another Yugoslavia for us, we will go further backwards.
We must stop compromising for others....haven't we F***ING learnt from both the Yugoslav experience and the Albanians!.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 25, 2010 2:37:51 GMT -5
^ l could be wrong, but Tadich's vision of serbia joining the EU is a massive mistake. The gas storage facility and south stream will prevent Vojvodina separting, it will also prevent the cowboys from bombing serbia ever again. In my opinion Tadich must be removed from office immediately and replaced by someone who believes in securing our borders and telling the EU to get F***ED. We need someone who is more firm regarding kosovo, we must stop this BS of compromising for others, l want people to compromise for us. No mistake. Just look at what happened to Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. They all have the same problems they had when they joined the EU but now they have to deal with crippling EU regulations and taxes. Really, the only reason people want Serbia to join the EU is because they plan to emigrate to a richer country. It has no benefits for the country, just for selfish individuals.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 25, 2010 8:52:10 GMT -5
^ In hindsight, Miloshevich claiming victory after the 78 day bombing campaign tells me today that Serbia did win because we had kept our freedoms from the cowboys who only managed to occupy kosovo. Now we have this moron Tadich ruining everything, and for F***ing him to say kosovo will never be the same again, shows his giving in.
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Post by drinus123 on Jul 25, 2010 14:49:44 GMT -5
that's why serbia is a s**tehole because too many tards like the two above. if anything now it's the time to cooperate and accept the reality, otherwise it might be too late to re conciliate when other countries have recognize it. mr.tadic and jeremic know this very well...
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 25, 2010 16:58:37 GMT -5
^ In hindsight, Miloshevich claiming victory after the 78 day bombing campaign tells me today that Serbia did win because we had kept our freedoms from the cowboys who only managed to occupy kosovo. Now we have this moron Tadich ruining everything, and for F***ing him to say kosovo will never be the same again, shows his giving in. What are you talking about? Serbia, and Serbs living there, have been dying a slow death since 1941. Sometimes I think NATO should have sent in soldiers (which wasn't going to happen) so Serbs from Serbia can get a taste of what it's like to be those Serbs across the Drina, Danube and Sava they so readily betrayed. Not to mention Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija, literally their own kindred! I think the problem is (ultimately) urbanization and liberalization. Serbia is in need of some kind of societal cleansing. It boils my blood when I hear a Serbs from Serbia talk about Serbs from Krajina, Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Metohija as if they were aliens. Somebody needs to start bashing the heads of those undermining Serb society everywhere. Starting in our schools. that's why serbia is a s**tehole because too many tards like the two above. if anything now it's the time to cooperate and accept the reality, otherwise it might be too late to re conciliate when other countries have recognize it. mr.tadic and jeremic know this very well... Please leave your barbaric Shqiptar mannerisms at the door, thanks.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jul 26, 2010 2:49:30 GMT -5
"I think the problem is (ultimately) urbanization and liberalization. Serbia is in need of some kind of societal cleansing. It boils my blood when I hear a Serbs from Serbia talk about Serbs from Krajina, Bosnia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Metohija as if they were aliens. Somebody needs to start bashing the heads of those undermining Serb society everywhere. Starting in our schools."
X2 man, whats wrong with them.
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Post by Fender on Jul 26, 2010 23:56:52 GMT -5
Almost a week has gone by and not one single new recognition. Sometimes when you win, you lose. Think about it. The ruling stayed away from seccesion which has now muddied the waters so much that any potential recognisee, will err on the side of caution and not recognise.
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Post by ivo on Jul 27, 2010 0:41:40 GMT -5
Serbs, you fail to learn from the past yet again.
1. The reason why Kosova is no longer under your authority is not because it was somehow unjustly "taken" from you. You inadvertently lost authority due to your government's extremist politics that just so happened to coincide with the agenda of the US. Serbia's own government paved the way, opened the door so to say, for the US to do as they did. ie. it would be best to actually put some thought in to the whole situation rathern than continuing to blindly point fingers at everyone but Serbia.
2. Though there may be positives to you aligning yoursleves with Russia rather than the EU, personally I think Serbia has more to gain from accession to the EU rathern than remaining isolated and holding on to Russian support alone.
3. Any thoughts or hopes for yet another war, which would probably be on the world scale yet again, are simply idiotic. If any of you sincerely think that some sort of massive conflict with the US on one side and Russia on the other will be advantageous for Serbia.. well my dear Slavic Orthodox "brothers", you must be seriously screwed up in the head. In any such event, all of our small countries will suffer.. I doubt there'll be any actual "winners" this time around.
4. Do try to read into the history of what is now Kosova. I know your propaganda has instilled some notion of thinking that Kosova is "the heart of Serbia".. but that's not the reallity of the situation. Even if the territory itself was a part of Serbia at some points throughout histoy, it's population is not Serbian.
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Post by Novus Dis on Jul 27, 2010 2:54:51 GMT -5
Almost a week has gone by and not one single new recognition. Sometimes when you win, you lose. Think about it. The ruling stayed away from seccesion which has now muddied the waters so much that any potential recognisee, will err on the side of caution and not recognise. I think it has more to do with people not willing to sacrifice their own sovereignty for a dying empire's (America) pathetic attempt to look strong. Serbs, you fail to learn from the past yet again. 1. The reason why Kosova is no longer under your authority is not because it was somehow unjustly "taken" from you. You inadvertently lost authority due to your government's extremist politics that just so happened to coincide with the agenda of the US. Serbia's own government paved the way, opened the door so to say, for the US to do as they did. ie. it would be best to actually put some thought in to the whole situation rathern than continuing to blindly point fingers at everyone but Serbia. 2. Though there may be positives to you aligning yoursleves with Russia rather than the EU, personally I think Serbia has more to gain from accession to the EU rathern than remaining isolated and holding on to Russian support alone. 3. Any thoughts or hopes for yet another war, which would probably be on the world scale yet again, are simply idiotic. If any of you sincerely think that some sort of massive conflict with the US on one side and Russia on the other will be advantageous for Serbia.. well my dear Slavic Orthodox "brothers", you must be seriously screwed up in the head. In any such event, all of our small countries will suffer.. I doubt there'll be any actual "winners" this time around. 4. Do try to read into the history of what is now Kosova. I know your propaganda has instilled some notion of thinking that Kosova is "the heart of Serbia".. but that's not the reallity of the situation. Even if the territory itself was a part of Serbia at some points throughout histoy, it's population is not Serbian. It's Kosovo, not Kosova. Before you start debating the situation of a place, learn how to spell the name of that place.
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