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Post by dezboy on Oct 18, 2009 8:17:36 GMT -5
Just how is the Hungarian/Sumerian hypothesis considered "nationalistic"? because "Jobbik" supports it? Its been around for over 100yrs. Are Hungarians claiming land in Iraq? Hungary isn't Romania which uses its Daco/Roman theory to justify its history. What "Educations" am I bashing? your Atlantian bs? My poor man you obviously don't know the difference between a degree and a hobby and you definitely have some type resentment against Hungarians, why else would you mock it. If anyone is a nationalist around here its you.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 18, 2009 8:35:08 GMT -5
The sumerian hypothesis is just as important and just as sound as the Finno/Ugric
"Dr. Ferenc Glatz, the president (2003) of the Hungarian Academy of Science, writes in his book, A magyarok krónikája (Chronicle of the Hungarians, Officia Nova 1996.): "Of the ancestors of Hungarians to 600 A. D., we can only speak in the realm of possibilities, based upon research in language history, archaeology and geographical flora."
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 18, 2009 10:38:27 GMT -5
The sumerian hypothesis is just as important and just as sound as the Finno/Ugric "Dr. Ferenc Glatz, the president (2003) of the Hungarian Academy of Science, writes in his book, A magyarok krónikája (Chronicle of the Hungarians, Officia Nova 1996.): "Of the ancestors of Hungarians to 600 A. D., we can only speak in the realm of possibilities, based upon research in language history, archaeology and geographical flora." Another example of wishful thinking and logical fallacy. Not only he doesn't mention sumerian theory , but all the guy said its just a truism about science, that is, all its relative and open ended. The acknowledgment of this fact doesn't mean that all other theories on the same subject became by extension of the same footing For example, those who calculated the consistence and materials of Earth Core may admit that their theories aren't perfect. (nobody actually got there to see it) However, that doesn't automatically mean that "hollow Earth" theories are taken more seriously than before. Just how is the Hungarian/Sumerian hypothesis considered "nationalistic"? because "Jobbik" supports it? Its been around for over 100yrs. Yeah, exactly when nationalism was at its highest peak. But it must be only a coincidence, right ? Right ?
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Post by dezboy on Oct 18, 2009 11:27:29 GMT -5
He doesn't mention or accept the Finno/Ugric either....
Good lord, you're a mixed up person. Nationalism is an ideology that focuses on the nation, and its historical origins. The Sumerian hypothesis plays no role in this, just as the Finno-Ugric doesn't. Hungary has existed since 896 as a nation no matter where we came from. These are documented facts, there's no debate over this. But "wishfull thinking" where have I heard this before? "Daco-Roman, seemed to be empty. theory is merely wishful thinking. According to Dinic (1966:560), ...
Find your own origins as a nation first, before labeling anyone else.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 18, 2009 11:41:24 GMT -5
Do you think scholars using the Hungarian language as a tool to decipher sumerian hieroglyphs as mere coincidence?
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 19, 2009 2:48:19 GMT -5
He doesn't mention or accept the Finno/Ugric either.... Heh why are you continuing to cling on moot points ? You give a "it can mean anything" quote, then you give your own interpretations based on wishful thinking. 1) he just say about things needing a more researched, This is a plain truism, as everything in science its prone to later new discoveries. That doesnt mean that serious theories are automatically on the same foot with fantasy theories. 2) even if the guy believes in Sumerian connection , it doesnt mean anything. Its the same "appeal to authority" logic fallacy like before. Scientist by nature are curious people , willing to explore a large array of possibilities . For example , the theories and search of the Loch ness monster were supported by many academics. This still doesnt mean that monster its real. Until a theory doesnt get a wide recognition( even local, as in Hungarian Academy,) , just pointing some individual people who believe in it it proves absolutely nothing. So as long as the Sumerian theory its not accepted by 99% of scientific community, pointing random guys who accept it , its just a dead end for you buddy. Nationalism was not by any means just an academic subject. It was the base for the creation of modern states, from Germany to Albania. Hungary (and Romania) included. Hungarians being in Carpathian Basin since 5000 BC. No sir , there is nothing political in this. Especially in the nationalist turmoil of. the 19-20 centuries. No sir, just a genuine thirst for knowledge.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 19, 2009 5:41:29 GMT -5
Hungary doesn't have to claim its ancestors were in the carpathian basin in 5000 BC. 896 AD is good enough...before France and Germany became separate entities, and before the unification of Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. Please don't lump Hungary with a newbe like Romania. You people are the ones that need theories to explain your nation.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 19, 2009 9:33:06 GMT -5
Hungary doesn't have to claim its ancestors were in the carpathian basin in 5000 BC. 896 AD is good enough... There are only few unbiased cases, independent researches who are genuinely interested to find more about Sumerian ( the language being an intriguing mystery, with no proven connection to any other living or dead language) BTW, its not only Hungarian, but almost every other agglutinative language in the world claims some connection to Sumerian. So you`re not that original. But the rest of 90% of its supporters, from its birth ( nationalist peak) until today , nationalist internet sites and promoted like Jobbik and alike is nationalist. 6000 BC old local inhabitants and Sumerian connected , cool huh ? Take that you Daco-Romans and Great Moravia losers !! For crying out loud, even that unbiased Italian profesor from the first post was talking near a larger than life Hungarian flag. You guys dont even try to make it to look less political. Now to prove further the nationalist aura of this Sumerian thingie, lets look at this topic. Save for that silly text who wanted to make fun of nationalist stereotypes from both sides ( Romanian and Hungarian) I never mentioned something bad about Hungarians and I never mentioned about Romanians or Daco-Roman theory.(why would I, no matter if the theory its true or false, there were no Dacians there 6000 years ago). Instead you`re the one who see my reluctance to accept a theory that is rejected by 99% of scientific community as unacceptable and equate anti -Sumerian = anti-Hungarian, a clearly nationalist stance. Also , as i already said, even Daco-Roman theory not only was not even mentioned but clearly has no connection to Sumerian-Hungarian you mentioned it in almost every post, another clear nationalist obsession( for both Romanians and Hungarians)
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Post by dezboy on Oct 20, 2009 6:47:22 GMT -5
you obviously have a nationalist obsession, no doubt the culture of the country where you originate. Its futile to try to reason with people like you, by all means believe your linguistic hobbyists over learned professors if it makes you feel better. I have nothing more to say to you.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 20, 2009 19:45:02 GMT -5
I have nothing more to say to you. You didn't said actually anything the whole topic, you just typed words. No big loss here.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 21, 2009 5:32:50 GMT -5
and your failed attempts at sarcasim, wit and the butchering of the english language did? please.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 21, 2009 6:30:25 GMT -5
and your failed attempts at sarcasim, wit and the butchering of the english language did? please. Wow ,with this post you forgot to mention for the 14th time consecutively about the Daco-Roman theory in to present topic. What happened, have you being snorting to much paprika lately ?
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Post by dezboy on Oct 21, 2009 14:55:31 GMT -5
more wit? your daco myth and Atlantean bs fall into the same category, in the garbage bin. They have no business being here, as do you.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 22, 2009 1:29:38 GMT -5
more wit? your daco myth and Atlantean bs fall into the same category, in the garbage bin. They have no business being here, as do you. More frustration ? Right now the Sumerian-Hungarian thingie fall in the same category with "Wizard of Oz"as far as scientific community is concerned. But you dont see me ranting in every post about Dorothy....
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Post by wbb on Oct 22, 2009 3:37:49 GMT -5
It's seem to me that u have been snorting spray paint and benzin which fuks ur pure racist mind up. Snorting paprika is better than snorting coke, paint or any type of addicting human made chit. Ur ultra-magyarophobia sentimental mind is basically at the highest fukest rate i ever seen. I hate romanians not because they are romanians but because they are bunch of racist faggots who does not respect another human being. However bunch of paint sniffing romanians are the worst.
Dezboy, dont waste ur time chatting with this racist fuk who rather wants to spend more time sniffing that chemical chit and hating hungarians. U can see his intollerance on hungarians.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 22, 2009 5:30:21 GMT -5
You're right wbb, this romanian's idea of "scientific community" are forum experts and hobbyists and his level of understanding are childrens books which he quite often likes to mention and copy-paste pictures from.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 22, 2009 8:25:21 GMT -5
You're right wbb, this romanian's idea of "scientific community" are forum experts and hobbyists At least i`m not creaming my pants everytime i see some drunk Italian professor performing under a Hungarian flag Since all your posts are only your frustrated rantings about off-topics things and failed to present even 1(one) "educated" argument in this topic , I`m afraid that even those children book may prove challenging for you. Yo man, hate the game, not the player.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 22, 2009 15:51:06 GMT -5
ranting is the incoherent babbling you try to pass off as wit and sarcasim. Your inept attempt at ghetto slang has also failed. But please speak only when spoken too, and mind your own business so you won't make an even bigger fool of yourself.
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Post by wbb on Oct 22, 2009 23:29:45 GMT -5
where da hell u get that chit that this professor is representing the hungarians? Cant u see urself what a damn fool u are when making up a comment like that. What u are doing is basically slaundering the professor while he is doing his job, instead u could do a research on his work before u start saying something stupid like "paprika nationalist or Jobbik's idea". At least his research is worth listening to than ur fairy tale Atlantis racist comments. Professor got's his graduation, but hey where's yours? is sniffing paint and hating hungarians at ur class is ur graduation?
Yeah sure hate the game, very fukin wise low-minded respond from u, instead of u to say that to me, u should talk to the wall and practice the meaning of that word before u say something stupid with your blah, blah, blah...paprika nationalist...drunk italian professor and every hungarian is Jobbik comment. Your mentality and knowledge is showing that u have ur own scientific theory which is not known to the entire civilisation, cause it is being researched from an ancient ABCDEFG baby book which has been discovered by u after 10,000 years from a treasure chest in the very deep under-the-sea mystic world of Atlantis. Compare with this drunk italian as u call him who completed at least 4 years of high graduation in university.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 23, 2009 2:25:04 GMT -5
. Your inept attempt at ghetto slang has also failed. You see , beginning all your post with : " you failed to blah blah blah" and "no !, you!" , not only proves you have nothing to say, but it might make some people believe your kinda "slow",. Well, actually, most of the people, but that`s not the point. But that's probably the effect of snorting paprika, instead of eating it. So you find the Atlantis theory intriguing too ? Are you going to write a book about it ?
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