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Post by alb12345 on Jul 28, 2010 12:33:53 GMT -5
Ban not just burka but all religions humans have been suffering from religions far to long.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 28, 2010 13:14:44 GMT -5
Wow. So your guys' point is that because supposedly if a woman is wearing a burka....it automatically means either A. she's being abused and forced to wear it at the risk of being beaten and socially exiled or B. She's brainwashed with cultish propaganda and she should be spiritually liberated.
You guys are tools.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 29, 2010 5:52:27 GMT -5
Wow. So your guys' point is that because supposedly if a woman is wearing a burka....it automatically means either A. she's being abused and forced to wear it at the risk of being beaten and socially exiled or B. She's brainwashed with cultish propaganda and she should be spiritually liberated. You guys are tools. ' Made me lol. +1.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 29, 2010 8:29:23 GMT -5
Ban the Burka and the retards that dont comply. Deport them back to where they came from. Until these animals stop executing 7 yr olds for " espionage ". Or until they advance a millenia in mentality then we have no other choice. The Amish in America still dress up like puritans, but they still have the common sense not to act like these islamofacists... A line has to be drawn somewhere damn it.
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Post by vanilo on Jul 29, 2010 12:19:36 GMT -5
Hellboy, I stated my opinion. Period. Nobody can ban religion, what kind of an unrealistic suggestion is that? People are still going to believe in them regardless of what any law says. Religious people will probably even become fanatical to show that nobody can control their minds. A line has to be drawn? Sure, how about starting with all those cheap, disgusting Playboy and porno whores? . Why have people got more respect for these sluts than women who cover up? It's like you need to show your ass to get peoples' respect. In which case, I suppose you guy would rather that your mums, sisters, wives and daughters make porno pictures for men's magazines than you would want them to cover up, right? Afterall, none of you say a word about women who show off their asses to the entire world, or how their nudity should be banned.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 29, 2010 12:28:09 GMT -5
news regarding about more radical anti-islamists. 'Anti-Islamic' Bus Ads Appear in Major U.S. Cities
csmonitor.com — A group called 'Stop Islamization of America' is promoting ads on major city public transportation that urge people to leave the Muslim faith. The anti-Islamic campaign is sparking thought about the religion's place in American society.
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By Stephanie Rice, Contributor / July 28, 2010 San Francisco
The growing debate over Islam's place in America, which is escalating in light of plans to build a mosque near ground zero, is increasingly playing out on city streets across the country. On the sides of buses, to be precise.
Several groups are engaging in something of a religious ad war over the merits and misconceptions of Islam, a religion that remains a mystery to many Americans.
Ads by a group calling itself Stop Islamization of America, which aims to provide refuge for former Muslims, read: "Fatwa on your head? Is your family or community threatening you? Leaving Islam? Got questions? Get answers!"
Those ads, appearing on dozens of buses in the San Francisco Bay Area, Miami, and New York, are a response to ones from a Muslim group that say, "The way of life of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Islam. Got questions? Get answers."
In New York, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community sponsored this campaign: "Muslims for Peace. Love for All – Hatred for None."
The ads are part of a larger conversation over Islam's image, which Muslim organizations say has been hurt by extremists both at home and abroad. But many conservative groups say that concern about the spread of Islam isn't alarmist, pointing to evidence of imams in this country inciting militancy and a growing number of American Muslims arrested for plotting terror attacks.
A self-described "anti-jihadist," Pamela Geller is the conservative blogger and executive director of Stop Islamization of America who conceived of the "Leaving Islam" ad campaign. Her bus posters, she says, were partly inspired by the ongoing Florida case involving a teenage girl who ran away from her Muslim parents after converting to Christianity. The girl, Rifqa Bary, made headlines last year when she claimed her father threatened to kill her for becoming a Christian.
Ms. Geller described her campaign as "a defense of religious freedom," in an e-mail response to questions. The goal, she says, is mainly "to help ex-Muslims who are in trouble" and also "to raise awareness of the threat that apostates live under even in the West."
But some religious rights organizations contend that the real intent is to incite fear about a faith that, according to recent studies, remains misunderstood. A 2009 poll by the Pew Research Center found that 38 percent believe Islam is more likely to encourage violence than other religions.
"In this post-9/11 world … it's almost like there's some political and spiritual currency to be gained by being anti-Islamic," says Steve Spreitzer, programs director for the Detroit-based interfaith group Michigan Roundtable for Diversity and Inclusion.
freedomdefense.typepad.com/leave-islam/ , the website promoted on Geller's ads, contends that Muslim Americans who "long to be free" of their religion are in danger of being killed, and offers protection, including "safe houses," for those who want out. Muslim rights groups and religious leaders say there is no penalty for leaving Islam and that the Koran condemns killing as a sin.
The campaign has whipped up controversy in several cities. In Detroit, which has one of the highest Muslim populations in the country, Geller sued the SMART transit agency in federal district court after it rejected the ads.
In the Bay Area, more than 125 religious leaders of various faiths signed a statement in July denouncing the ads as "Islamophobic" and saying they "promote fear of Muslim Americans."
Geller says calling the ads anti-Islam is "a tactic to divert attention" away from the "plight" of ex-Muslims.
In Florida, the Miami-Dade Transit agency initially pulled the ads but then reinstated them days later after Geller and her group threatened to sue. Miami-Dade Transit spokeswoman Karla Damian says the county attorney had reviewed the ad campaign and determined that "although considered offensive by some, it did not constitute removal."
And in the Bay Area, where both tolerance and free speech are regarded as sacred, the 30 bus ads that recently began rolling through San Mateo County have been met with surprise and bewilderment.
Omar Ahmad, a Muslim city council member in San Mateo who also sits on the board of directors for SamTrans, the bus agency running the ads, says he found the campaign "bizarre" but didn't think it would have much effect. "I have a great deal of faith in folks in the Bay Area to take a critical eye to what they see and read," he says.
Geller and her supporters point out that transit agencies in Detroit and elsewhere had no problem with a controversial campaign sponsored by a group of atheists last year. Those ads, also on buses and billboards in many cities, read: "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." Although the ads offended some, they were deemed free speech.
The ads in New York City sponsored by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community recently began appearing on 100 New York City buses and promote the website MuslimsForPeace.org, which condemns terrorism and advocates for a separation of church and state.
Waseem Sayed, Ahmadiyya Muslim Community spokesperson, says the campaign is not a response to Geller's ads but an ongoing effort to reclaim the public image of Islam, which he says has been "hijacked by extremists."
"It's an effort to have the Muslims, the silent majority, snatch the flag of Islam away from these extremists and hoist it above ourselves," he says. www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0728/Anti-Islamic-bus-ads-appear-in-major-cities/%28page%29/2
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 29, 2010 19:17:11 GMT -5
Vanilo the 2 are uncomparable simply because woman who do that in mostly Western countries at least, do it by choice . I know there is some misconception amongst some people from Middleeast especially those who havn't been in the West that they think all Western woman are s**ts and all have had sooooo many sexual partners and all dress like that, this stereotype is simply untrue. But difference is in societies like Iran, Afghanistan, Suadi Arabia etc woman have no choice about what they wear in public its either cover up or end up in prison or worse. Mens magazines again are something that any person can choose to see by choice its not a rule that people must read them. In the West there are whats called public decency laws meaning people cannot go around naked in public except for designated nudist places etc although its true parts of Europe can be very relaxed with nudity . Anyway because I believe people should have choice I voted in a democratic society to not ban the burqa, but I can also understand why some western societys would want to have some control over the amount of people they might have in their society doing such things as wearing burqas. Hellboy, I stated my opinion. Period. Nobody can ban religion, what kind of an unrealistic suggestion is that? People are still going to believe in them regardless of what any law says. Religious people will probably even become fanatical to show that nobody can control their minds. A line has to be drawn? Sure, how about starting with all those cheap, disgusting Playboy and porno w**res? . Why have people got more respect for these s**ts than women who cover up? It's like you need to show your ass to get peoples' respect. In which case, I suppose you guy would rather that your mums, sisters, wives and daughters make porno pictures for men's magazines than you would want them to cover up, right? Afterall, none of you say a word about women who show off their asses to the entire world, or how their nudity should be banned.
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Post by yeni on Jul 29, 2010 20:47:41 GMT -5
i dont like the burqa, but no. on one side some muslim men want to force the women to wear it and on the other side some non-muslim men want to force them not to wear it.. Respect the ladies, allow them to decide..
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Post by vanilo on Jul 30, 2010 2:09:41 GMT -5
Vanilo the 2 are uncomparable simply because woman who do that in mostly Western countries at least, do it by choice . 1) Most Muslim women in Western society wear veil, niqab and so on by their own choice 2) If you read the background of various famous porn "stars" (Jenna Jameson, for instance), you'll learn that they all come from backgrounds with all sorts of abuses and neglects: alcoholism, violence, incest, rape, absent parents...I don't believe these kind of childhoods have no influence whatsoever on women "choosing" a "carreer" in the porn/prostitution "business". There're just as many misconceptions amongst Westerners that Middle Easterns are savages that oppress women, and make them cover up. But I suppose it's alright to judge Middle Easterns. Anyway, I do believe a person is a slut if he or she sleeps with many different people. A lot of people will sleep with someone if only they think they're hot. How cheap can you be?! Even animals are more selective and picky than that. If a person sleeps with a lot o different people, then they're sluts. If not, then they're not sluts. It doesn't matter where you come from, I know Middle Eastern people that are bigger sluts than some Western people. None of us have control over what is to get banned in Saudi Arabia and Iran - none of us are citizens of the respective countries (thank God). I don't believe anybody has supported forcing women to wear veil... When I go to the shops I have no choice but to see those disgusting, patronising men's magazine covers on the shelves. Because the shops put them right in front of me by the till where I pay for my things. Our society is allowing these shops to force me and others to look at this filth. It's not just in kiosks they put these magazines on the shelves right in front of you, big supermarkets where regular families get their daily groceries do it, too. It's disgusting. Oh please! Last year billboards of a naked woman from behind hung around Copenhagen everywhere (I think it was an ad for some energy drink). It was like everywhere you look, her naked ass was there. Just because you don't support public nudity, pornography and prostitution doesn't mean you have an uptight attitude towards nudity. But some of us believe that the naked body, and sex, is private, and that you practice all the nudity and sex you want in your own privacy. I have a son, I'm trying to teach him to have respect for women. How am I going to do that when women in the society we live in don't even show respect for themselves? He's going to ask me why he has to show women respect when they don't have the same respect for themselves. What am I going to say to that? I agree.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 30, 2010 2:56:18 GMT -5
Vanilo,
I agree with you a 100 percent on what you said. I remember you mentioned something simliar in the past. It is a decadent society nowadays.
The thing with the Burqa that gets me all riled up is the fact that these type of ppl expect rights while denying the same to non-islamic faiths in their native countries.
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Post by vanilo on Jul 30, 2010 3:33:12 GMT -5
Chalkedon, I can understand why that gets you riled up. I actually had a very heated debate a while ago about this matter with some Muslims, who tried to justify that they come to the West to enjoy rights that they do not support people in the Middle East to enjoy, too. It pissed me off because these peoples' parents have fled from oppression and war to the West...then they sit here in the West and say they would rather want what they fled from in the first place! I don't like that at all. Personally, when I talk about how I wish society was, I might talk a little less of, say, Middle Eastern society because when it comes to things I'm passionate about (abstinence, premarital sex, prostitution etc.) they are not as big issues there as they are in the West. What I mean with this is that things like premarital sex and prostitution are not socially acceptable there whereas here I seriously know of mothers and fathers here who say they'd support their daughters if they wanted to sell their bodies: "it's none of my business afterall, and there's nothing sacred about genitals, selling sex is like selling a merchandise in a shop". If this isn't objectifying women., I don't know what is.. Anyway, it's not even about whether or not genitals are scared. It's about wishing the better for your daughter, and protecting her from people who're going to use her, abuse her and hurt her. Men who go to prostitutes are not gentlemen, exactly. You constantly hear horror stories about women being raped, beaten and killed by customers. How can you, as a parent, say you don't care that your daughter gets in to this business? "Business". I don't understand why so many people seem to think the prostitution and porn business is safe and clean. How can anybody trust that people who make money off your daughter having sex on camera are interested in protecting her form bad things? I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, and being completely convinced, that porn actresses and actors are some of the cleanest people. Just because they get STD tested once in a while? Well guess what: it does not work, tests do not prevent diseases: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_RoxxRoxx became famous at age 21, after being exposed to HIV while doing a pornographic scene with Darren James. She allegedly contracted the disease just two months after doing her first scene, a double anal. Roxx said previously that she relied on the industry's HIV standards to ensure her safety.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 30, 2010 4:12:32 GMT -5
In Western society yes some do.
There is probably just as many or more women that come from those backgrounds that dont go into those fields.
Perhaps sure these things may be influences but in the end many people make their own choice and probably there are just as many women and men that didnt have that type of background who still decide go into those buisinesses also.
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I agree with you sure there are those misconceptions too.
Of course it doesnt matter where they come from, Middle East has prostitutes and probably underground pornography too, there is a saying "everywhere the sky is blue". People like Admadinijad who say such ridiculous things like "there are no homosexuals in Iran" yeh right.
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Well as you said Vanilo you have chosen to live in Denmark which is probably historically at least in last 60 years one of the most if not the most least censored countries in the world. It was the first country in the 1960's to abandon censorship and pioneered in the porn industry. So you probably cant judge all western countries by Denmark, but then again there is a lot of great things about a free society like Denmark. I think the only thing you could do personally is go into politics and try to change things if you are that passionate about certain issues but at the end of the day you live in a democracy and that means other people have their rights to choose to look at nudy magazines or model for them etc etc. Raise your son on the values you believe in thats all any parent can do i suppose.
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Post by chalkedon on Jul 30, 2010 6:05:01 GMT -5
Both you guys raise good points. I understand Vanillo a lot because there is a tremendous decay in traditional family values and self-respect. The media does shove down their agenda that " sells " to kids. One of the reasons why their so screwed up nowadays with shootings, suicides, and depression. In anycase, the think with the Burqa is the opposite extreme. We just have to find a society that has a happy median i guess...
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 31, 2010 2:48:35 GMT -5
I but what does this have to do with the burqa or any headscarves or Islam vs Democracy, Iran is a legally Muslim country yet you should see how highly prevalent hard drug addiction is in Iran and probably because many people are depressed about the ridiculously restrictive society they live in. Democracy is about choice, I agree sometimes media push things too far but in the end its about what people choose and if they live their lives in the right way , of course this relates not just to society and media but how the family and homelife is and what immediate examples children have in their own families. Both you guys raise good points. I understand Vanillo a lot because there is a tremendous decay in traditional family values and self-respect. The media does shove down their agenda that " sells " to kids. One of the reasons why their so screwed up nowadays with shootings, suicides, and depression. In anycase, the think with the Burqa is the opposite extreme. We just have to find a society that has a happy median i guess...
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 1, 2010 1:18:21 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_RoxxRoxx became famous at age 21, after being exposed to HIV while doing a pornographic scene with Darren James. She allegedly contracted the disease just two months after doing her first scene, a double anal. Roxx said previously that she relied on the industry's HIV standards to ensure her safety. Split that booty indeed!!!
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