CiKoLa
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Post by CiKoLa on Jul 24, 2010 23:20:18 GMT -5
France, Belgium and Spain have all banned the Burqa in their retrospective countries.
Would you support a similar ban in your country if the question presented itself??
IMO i would a be FOR a ban in Croatia but ONLY due to security reasons.
What do you think?
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Post by spartacus on Jul 25, 2010 0:44:47 GMT -5
In America we have this thing called the 1st Amendment and freedom of religion, freedom to practice your religion without government persecution etc.
Therefore no, I would not support a burqa ban, it violates liberty.
"Any people who would give up liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security" ~ Banjamin Franklin
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Jul 25, 2010 4:13:30 GMT -5
In America we have this thing called the 1st Amendment and freedom of religion, freedom to practice your religion without government persecution etc. Therefore no, I would not support a burqa ban, it violates liberty. "Any people who would give up liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security" ~ Banjamin Franklin Wow, i couldn't help myself but agree with your statement. What is the whole point of having security when it limits your freedom and liberty. Security should only be enforced in a way that safeguards freedom and liberty, not destroying it. I also believe there has to be a balance between freedom and security, the same way for the cyber world, balance securit with userability. That is the best way i can express my opinion to this topic.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jul 25, 2010 12:33:50 GMT -5
I say without any doubt in my mind yes.
It is a symbol of human repression and it comes from societies where there is absolutely no human liberty and which on top of that do not allow expression of anything foreign within their borders.
Banning it , if anything, delivers liberty to a individual that is forced to wear it (whether consciously or not).
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Post by vanilo on Jul 26, 2010 3:40:47 GMT -5
I would say I do support a burka ban because (as all of you have already said) the burka
1. stems from societies that oppress women, and it's used as a tool to do so. Ergo, a lot of negativitism is connected to the burka, I think
2. is not an Islamic concept, but a Taleban one, so I see no reason to be accepting of it
3. is not ideal, securitywise (however, I don't think this one is that big of a deal. In Middle Eastern airports all fully covered women are pulled aside by female guards into a screened room or corner, and they make sure these women are not hiding anything under the covers).
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Post by mystery on Jul 26, 2010 8:19:27 GMT -5
I say without any doubt in my mind yes. It is a symbol of human repression and it comes from societies where there is absolutely no human liberty and which on top of that do not allow expression of anything foreign within their borders.Banning it , if anything, delivers liberty to a individual that is forced to wear it (whether consciously or not). Well, It's part of their culture. Many women want to wear it as stupid as it sounds. They should be allowed to wear it.. As for security reasons it's stupid. Someone can easily hide a gun/bomb/what ever in their jackets, hat, backpacks, clothes, etc.
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Post by spartacus on Jul 26, 2010 9:50:08 GMT -5
Whether you view Islam as a religion that "oppresses" people is irrelevant. Several things would be censored if we believed they oppress other people. I believe Communism oppressed people, so should we ban people from displaying che guavaro t-shirts since it oppressed people?
As long as women choose to wear it, it is no role of the state to prohibit it. Giving the government one foothold in interfering with civil liberties allows them to prohibit other things. How can I expect the government to protect our liberties and religious freedom if they interfere with the freedom of others?
Government can say priests gathering together in the living quarters of their churches are a security threat, therefore they need be monitored. The government can also say churchgoers holding private clubs or meeting privately with their priests for confessions pose a security threat. The government could force nuns to change their clothing using the "security threat" argument. Governments always use the security argument whenever they attempt to take away our liberties.
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Post by malsor4life on Jul 26, 2010 11:52:03 GMT -5
Absolutely not. Once you start banning this and that, you head down a dangerous slippery slope. Ppl should be able to dress however they want, i think gov't has way too much influence in our lives as it is.
BTW, spartacus be careful of the current 'Tea Party'. It is no longer the movement started by Ron Paul back in 07', it has been hijacked by Neo-Con snakes.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 26, 2010 18:49:34 GMT -5
2. is not an Islamic concept, but a Taleban one, so I see no reason to be accepting of it 3. is not ideal, securitywise (however, I don't think this one is that big of a deal. In Middle Eastern airports all fully covered women are pulled aside by female guards into a screened room or corner, and they make sure these women are not hiding anything under the covers). So what if it's not an Islamic concept? It's about freedom to wear! Thats the issue. As for point 3,well,make it a standard procedure then in airports that women who are wearing that remove it for checks.Simple.
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Post by Pavel Chernev on Jul 26, 2010 19:33:23 GMT -5
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Post by SKORIC on Jul 26, 2010 22:45:25 GMT -5
They are funny to look at, so no i dont support banning lol
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Post by srbobran on Jul 27, 2010 1:44:17 GMT -5
Although the appearance of the burqas utterly disgust me, it pains me to say that purely out of my desire to preserve the freedom of religion in our societies, I wouldn't support the ban.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Jul 27, 2010 2:20:56 GMT -5
No, these kinds of laws only breed radicalism. Best to just educate these people slowly to get them over their ideas.
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Post by vanilo on Jul 27, 2010 4:51:15 GMT -5
So what if it's not an Islamic concept? It's about freedom to wear! Sure, but I'm just stating my opinion. I'm actually all for veil and niqab, it's just the burka that I don't like. As I said, I connect it to Talebanism which I do not support. If burka had nothing to do with Talebanism, I'd be all for it as well.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jul 27, 2010 6:49:14 GMT -5
There are pretty much no Muslims where I live so I have not seen the burqa worn too much. The couple of times I have seen it worn down at the mall I just found it instantly confronting, scary, sad. It looks pretty uncomfortable as well. I like this idea of women keeping some mystery rather then dressing like sluts but I think the burqa goes way too far.
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Post by shejtani on Jul 27, 2010 7:12:57 GMT -5
I completely support the ban of the burqa, and even the ban of the Islamic headscarf !!
Trust me, those people will never change their ideas, they are completely fu*ked up.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Jul 27, 2010 18:35:33 GMT -5
In one way I partly feel like supporting the ban as it appears oppressive and looks terrible like watching a Ninja movie or something, but ultimatly I agree that starting to ban what people choose to wear begins to impact upon human freedom of choice. In Western countries Muslim women should be able to choose to wear it or not. I know of many Muslim woman here in Australia not wearing any form of facial covering. France, Belgium and Spain have all banned the Burqa in their retrospective countries. Would you support a similar ban in your country if the question presented itself?? IMO i would a be FOR a ban in Croatia but ONLY due to security reasons. What do you think?
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 27, 2010 23:16:04 GMT -5
Sure, but I'm just stating my opinion. I'm actually all for veil and niqab, it's just the burka that I don't like. As I said, I connect it to Talebanism which I do not support. If burka had nothing to do with Talebanism, I'd be all for it as well. That's not the point.It doesnt matter what it symbolises.It's about people being able to wear what they want.
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 27, 2010 23:18:27 GMT -5
I completely support the ban of the burqa, and even the ban of the Islamic headscarf !! Trust me, those people will never change their ideas, they are completely fu*ked up. No no no. It's nice to have people below you,you know? LOL!
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Post by hellboy87 on Jul 27, 2010 23:19:32 GMT -5
Although the appearance of the burqas utterly disgust me, it pains me to say that purely out of my desire to preserve the freedom of religion in our societies, I wouldn't support the ban. The sight of "unshaved women" disgusts me. So the burqa has its uses. ;D
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