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Post by Beach Police on Aug 5, 2010 14:51:21 GMT -5
Russia's envoy to the UN says Kosovo will not join UN August 04, 2010
Russia's envoy to the UN predicted on Tuesday that Kosovo will never be accepted to the organization and that Resolution 1244 recognizing Serbia's territorial integrity will not be replaced, reports. "You know the balance of forces in the Security Council. And my words will not make anyone catch their breath while waiting for Resolution 1244 to be amended, replaced or canceled," Vitaly Churkin said. "You also know the procedures required to join the UN: a recommendation of the Security Council is required for that first of all, and the balance of forces in the Security Council is evident," he said when asked to comment on Kosovo's Albanian authorities' request to cancel Resolution 1244 and on Pristina's attempt to join the UN. Russia as one of the five UN Security Council veto-wielding members can block any decision it disagrees with. Russia has always been strongly opposed to Kosovo's 2008 unilateral declaration of independence.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 22:58:30 GMT -5
You have to read between the lines my friend "You also know the procedures required to join the UN: a recommendation of the Security Council is required for that first of all, and the balance of forces in the Security Council is evident,"
He didn't say Russia would block he just stated that it requires the secuirty councils approval if its going to pass. Thats why Kosovo is going to attempt to join when it has the recognition of about 120 member states because once all these country support a resoultion making kosovo a member of the UN it goes to the security council then russia CAN block it but it WONT block it because it very bad politics. 2/3 of the worlds countries support a resolution and then Russia vetos it its not going to happen That would be very bad politics because as soon as you veto the resolution you are put at odds with 120 countries the overwhelming majority it would be strategic mistake. i heard this from a senior UN diplomat in interview. This is how Kosovo will become a member of the UN.
To replace 1244 its difffrent and much harder that why he said dont hold your breath.
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2010 23:06:31 GMT -5
..uhhh.. yeah albpatriot, cause Russia is always so cooperative.. and never goes against what the world wants. They won't allow Kosovo into the UN.. they wont recognize them.. because that would mean risking losing some of its own breakaway regions. Its Russia's interests at stake. Too bad.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 23:21:26 GMT -5
"They won't allow Kosovo into the UN.. they wont recognize them.. because that would mean risking losing some of its own breakaway regions."
They recognized Abhkazia and South Ossetia both cases more similar to Chechnya and some almost bordering Chechnya now that Hypocrisy. Russia can do that because its a major power and has nukes it does not matter to it whats wrong or right but in the case of the UN if it does VETO the resolution the USA can say Russia is against the will of 120 nations 2/3 of the worlds countries and we know how hard it is to get a simple majority let alone a absolute majority it would make Russia look horrible because this is all on the record at the UN. This is what the guy said that worked for the UN a high diplomat involved in the KOSoVO case since 1999.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 23:23:43 GMT -5
He said no country would put itself in that position to veto a resolution with such a high majority for Kosovo theres no doubt in my mind Russia would veto a resolution on Checnya but not for Kosovo.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 23:26:32 GMT -5
"because that would mean risking losing some of its own breakaway regions. Its Russia's interests at stake."
Its not the UN guaranteeing Russia's borders its Russia's Nukes and and murders thug army.
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Post by Username on Aug 5, 2010 23:40:45 GMT -5
I think you're being a bit too optimistic. I don't see Kosovo in the UN for another decade if not more.. it will happen eventually, but I think there's a long road ahead. But who knows.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 23:46:13 GMT -5
The president of kosovo said he will apply for UN membership in 2011. If he said it out so cleary he must have some strong guarantees politicians usually avoid definitives they like to be very vague so you can interpret what ever you want but if they are so forward and clear then its almost an absolute.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 5, 2010 23:49:58 GMT -5
I think serbs need to listen to what there politicians are saying you can tell that they know that they've lost KOsovo from 2007. You just have to read between the lines for example. SERBIAN politicans always say "Serbia will never recognize and indepedent Kosovo" but they never say "there will never be an indepedent Kosovo". Thats a big diffrence.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 5, 2010 23:56:36 GMT -5
So what? The United Nations is nothing but an organization made to protect the power of the 5 permanent members.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 6, 2010 0:02:21 GMT -5
It makes official Kosovos sovreignity. But i think Eu membership will be much more important because the EU will be around alot longer once kosovo beomes a member of the eu it will be a permanent state in the EU like Connecticut and all those other small states in the us. The eu will take up its place in the un and replace every EU member in the UN.
Future security council Brazil, Russia, EU, India , China USA. and myabe South africa or Nigeria some african country.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 6, 2010 0:16:16 GMT -5
But all this is funny in a way because in 50-100 Europe wont even have a European majority it will be full of immigrants from the world according to scientists. USA is expected to be by 2050 non European majority country. Then Europe by 2100 will be a non European majority continent. Example London British people are a minority with in the city limits thats crzy fifty years ago it was rare to see an immigrant in Britian. Thats the future of the rich countries and then gradually it will happen to the impoverished Balkans. You have chinese immigrants in albania now vietnamese in belgrade imganie in 50 years its not hard. So in the end kosovo will belong to immigrants from africa and asia who speak albanian its gonna be funny i love this iroony.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 6, 2010 0:35:04 GMT -5
How does it protect Pristina's sovereignty? It didn't protect Belgrade's sovereignty.
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Post by Username on Aug 6, 2010 1:24:08 GMT -5
The UN doesn't grant recognition. Only states can. You're much better off having the recognition of more states than being in the UN.
So many flaws with those arguments. They assume sustained immigration rates, birth rates (by immigrants and the domestic population), and growth rates... which is very unlikely.. think about it, as the rest of the world develops, fewer people will be immigrating to Europe... as immigrants move to Europe, they will not have as many children as they would have back home.. make sense?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Aug 6, 2010 9:49:46 GMT -5
Albanians of the forum, the Albanians from kosovo will never get a UN seat!. ;D
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Post by drinus123 on Aug 6, 2010 9:54:36 GMT -5
Oh well, serbia has as much chance of joining EU.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 6, 2010 10:48:44 GMT -5
Serbia won't be able to join the European Union? Now who'll take away Serbia's economic and political sovereignty?
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 6, 2010 11:02:16 GMT -5
"How does it protect Pristina's sovereignty? It didn't protect Belgrade's sovereignty."
Serbia went to war with NAto it lost the war with NAto. The victors the USA and UK Germany France and Italy and Turkey the big Nato powers decided to make Kosovo indepedent 1244 says kosovos future status is to be decided so the big powers decided what its status will be indepedent they won the war the say what happens you lost so you have no say. The UN is a guarantee of borders legally but you lost the war and signed 1244 and according to ICJ kosovo could legally declare indepedence nothing in 1244 to block its declaratioin.
Previously i said what guarantees borders is nukes and military not UN.
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Post by albpatriot18 on Aug 6, 2010 11:09:40 GMT -5
An albanian writer said that small states are created out of the misfortunes of large ones. which is true looking at the collapse of Yugoslavia and Soviet Union and the decay of the Ottoman empire. The borders of Europe that now exist with an indepdent kosovo will be around for along time unless there is some catastrophic political event in Europe and the world. Nobody would have allowed Yugoslavia to break up or kosovo to become indepdent during regular periods of time but when the soviet union fell Papa Bush wanted a new world order as he is quoted as saying so the state department and its allies started redrawing the map of Europe. This map is final unless you there is a catstraphe like we all join the EU and the EU falls apart then you may have a shot of trying to colonize kosovo again. you can always hope.
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Post by Novus Dis on Aug 6, 2010 11:15:26 GMT -5
"How does it protect Pristina's sovereignty? It didn't protect Belgrade's sovereignty." Serbia went to war with NAto it lost the war with NAto. The victors the USA and UK Germany France and Italy and Turkey the big Nato powers decided to make Kosovo indepedent 1244 says kosovos future status is to be decided so the big powers decided what its status will be indepedent they won the war the say what happens you lost so you have no say. The UN is a guarantee of borders legally but you lost the war and signed 1244 and according to ICJ kosovo could legally declare indepedence nothing in 1244 to block its declaratioin. Previously i said what guarantees borders is nukes and military not UN. America invaded Serbia, not the other way around. I would also like to point out that Clinton bypassed not only the United Nations but also the American Congress when it declared war.
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